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Guantanamo Closing - Slow Going and Not Being Done Correctly
I know it's long, but please give this a read:
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I keep coming back to the same thought each time I read something new about this: if President Bush had finally been pressured to close Guantanamo, this is probably how he would have done it. It would have been inexcusably slow, it still would have featured numerous and systemic injustices, and it would leave the door open for this to happen all over again. I'm not going to turn this into a "Bush's third term" thing, but you'd really need to be doing some intellectual and ethical gymnastics to excuse what's going on. One thing is certain: this isn't how you go about closing Guantanamo if you were actually outraged about what was going on there and the far-reaching legal, ethical, and political consequences. This is how you close Guantanamo if you made the campaign promise and you'd lose a big chunk of your base by not doing it, risking losing reelection. This is how you close Guantanamo if you really don't want these people to have fair trials. This is how you close Guantanamo to continue to global war on terrorism unabated. What are your thoughts? |
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Location: Ventura County
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How would you close it?
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The prisoners are moved to maximum security prisons in the US, as there are already terrorists in our prisons that no one seems to be complaining about, where they will await public civilian trials slated to begin immediately. Guantanamo prison is completely vacant inside a month.
Those found guilty by the evidence in American courts will be sentenced accordingly and those found innocent will be given the opportunity to either go home or elsewhere. |
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Junkie
Location: Ventura County
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"Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch." "It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions on vegetarianism while the wolf is of a different opinion." "If you live among wolves you have to act like one." "A lady screams at the mouse but smiles at the wolf. A gentleman is a wolf who sends flowers." |
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We've stopped using "enemy combatants". It's no longer in our legal lexicon. It was a made-up term to begin with, but it's not even used anymore.
You have to be found guilty to be guilty. It's the entire basis of every justice system in the history of our species. |
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Location: Ventura County
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"Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch." "It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions on vegetarianism while the wolf is of a different opinion." "If you live among wolves you have to act like one." "A lady screams at the mouse but smiles at the wolf. A gentleman is a wolf who sends flowers." |
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Location: Ventura County
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In war - prisoners of war are simply "guilty" of being the enemy. If you accept the fact we are at war, then the concept of "prisoner of war" has to be accepted. Prisoners of war are generally held captive until the war is over. It would be silly for an army to capture the enemy and then release the enemy to return to the battle. If you don't accept the fact we are at war, I understand how you see these captives from a "police" point of view and why they should be tried in a court of law.
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We're not at war, though, and a lot of people in Guantanamo aren't combatants. At all. You'd think it would be silly for the military to capture people off the street or from their home simply for suspicion of being somehow related to the insurgents, locking them up and throwing away the key, but we've done it several times. You'd think it would be silly to kidnap people from other countries or coerce their governments to kidnap them so that we could extradite them to a secret prison to be tortured, but we've done that, too. It's not just that these people are captive, but that we're using illegal techniques to try and extract information from them. You can't torture POWs, that's a war crime. It's even worse considering we're not even at war.
Talk to Murat Kurnaz about being a prisoner of war. Ask Al-Qurani. Ask Mohammed El-Gharani. I could go on and on and on. Stop pretending that everyone in Guantanamo is some battlefield-hardened insurgent or America-hating jihadist. Many aren't. Many are innocent people named during torture cessions by other innocent people that are kidnapped by the US. There are innocent people in Guantanamo. This isn't about a "police point of view", this is about stopping an unbelievable injustice. If you're ever kidnapped off the street, extradited to a prison in a country that allows torture, and are held there for years, I'll fight for your release tooth and nail just as I do for all the other innocent people. |
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