Originally Posted by Cynthetiq (Post 2673049)

I'm trying to find a copy of the actual bill and cannot locate it since this radio addresses page 425. I'd like to read it myself.

Originally Posted by Derwood (Post 2673055)

I can't imagine this is remotely true

Originally Posted by Cynthetiq (Post 2673049)

I'm trying to find a copy of the actual bill and cannot locate it since this radio addresses page 425. I'd like to read it myself.

Originally Posted by Bill pages 424-426

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1 ‘‘form and manner’’; and
2 (3) in subsection (h)(4)(E), by striking ‘‘lesser’’
3 and inserting ‘‘greater’’.
4 SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION.
5 (a) MEDICARE.—
6 (1) IN GENERAL.—Section 1861 of the Social
7 Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x) is amended—
8 (A) in subsection (s)(2)—
9 (i) by striking ‘‘and’’ at the end of
10 subparagraph (DD);
11 (ii) by adding ‘‘and’’ at the end of
12 subparagraph (EE); and
13 (iii) by adding at the end the fol-
14 lowing new subparagraph:
15 ‘‘(FF) advance care planning consultation (as
16 defined in subsection (hhh)(1));’’; and
17 (B) by adding at the end the following new
18 subsection:
19 ‘‘Advance Care Planning Consultation
20 ‘‘(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the
21 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con-
22 sultation between the individual and a practitioner de-
23 scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning,
24 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has

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not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such
1 consultation shall include the following:
2 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad-
3 vance care planning, including key questions and
4 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo-
5 ple to talk to.
6 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad-
7 vance directives, including living wills and durable
8 powers of attorney, and their uses.
9 ‘‘(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the
10 role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.
11 ‘‘(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list
12 of national and State-specific resources to assist con-
13 sumers and their families with advance care plan-
14 ning, including the national toll-free hotline, the ad-
15 vance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal
16 service organizations (including those funded
17 through the Older Americans Act of 1965).
18 ‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
19 continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail-
20 able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene-
21 fits for such services and supports that are available
22 under this title.

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‘‘(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of
1 orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar
2 orders, which shall include—
3 ‘‘(I) the reasons why the development of
4 such an order is beneficial to the individual and
5 the individual’s family and the reasons why
6 such an order should be updated periodically as
7 the health of the individual changes;
8 ‘‘(II) the information needed for an indi-
9 vidual or legal surrogate to make informed deci-
10 sions regarding the completion of such an
11 order; and
12 ‘‘(III) the identification of resources that
13 an individual may use to determine the require-
14 ments of the State in which such individual re-
15 sides so that the treatment wishes of that indi-
16 vidual will be carried out if the individual is un-
17 able to communicate those wishes, including re-
18 quirements regarding the designation of a sur-
19 rogate decisionmaker (also known as a health
20 care proxy).
21 ‘‘(ii) The Secretary shall limit the requirement
22 for explanations under clause (i) to consultations
23 furnished in a State—

Originally Posted by Willravel (Post 2673085)

/bored with right-wing rhetoric

Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru (Post 2673094)

Actually, if things are the way you suspect they are, the proper word for all of that would be propaganda.

Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru (Post 2673094)

I find it odd that the first commentary/reporting on this is through some kind of radio show.

Originally Posted by dc_dux (Post 2673067)

''Advance Care Planning Consultation
''(hhh) (1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the term 'advance care planning consultation' means a consultation between the individual and a practitioner described in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such consultation shall include the following:

''(A) An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to.

''(B) An explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable 19 powers of attorney, and their uses.

''(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.

''(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning, including the national toll-free hotline, the advance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal service organizations (including those funded through the Older Americans Act of 1965).

''(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title.

''(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar orders, which shall include--

''(I) the reasons why the development of such an order is beneficial to the individual and the individual's family and the reasons why such an order should be updated periodically as the health of the individual changes;

''(II) the information needed for an individual or legal surrogate to make informed decisions regarding the completion of such an order; and

''(III) the identification of resources that an individual may use to determine the requirements of the State in which such ...

Sounds reasonable to me....and hardly "counseling on committing suicide"

Originally Posted by samcol (Post 2673968)

To be honest this kinda sounds like planned parenthood rhetoric. It's supposed to be about family planning, but the end result is hundreds of thousands of abortions a year.

Time will tell.

Originally Posted by dc_dux (Post 2673991)

For whats its worth, a recent study on the federally funded Title X Family Planning program:

IMO, federally funded family planning and preventive services targeted to low income makes more sense and is much effective than federally funded abstinence only education.

Originally Posted by dc_dux (Post 2673982)

Wow...thats a first.

Comparing advance care planning for terminally ill to birth control "rhetoric"?

Sorry, I dont get it.

Originally Posted by samcol (Post 2673998)

However, whether you're pro-choice or pro-life everyone knows the underlying theme of planned parenthood is abortion.

Originally Posted by Telluride (Post 2675972)

I hate Obama as much as anyone you'll ever meet, but this sounds fishy to the extreme. :orly: