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FuglyStick · 07-10-2009, 10:11 AM

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Johnston also is pursuing his own book deal. He is working as a carpenter while also pursuing a movie deal.

Jesus fucking Christ.

Rekna · 07-10-2009, 10:29 AM

Are you sure Gore is profiting?

YouTube - Gore To Blackburn: If You Think It's About Greed, "You Don't Know Me"

roachboy · 07-13-2009, 07:56 AM

normally i don't bother with edito columns, but this one says the obvious about sarah palin and her constituency.
enjoy.

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Op-Ed Columnist
She Broke the G.O.P. and Now She Owns It
By FRANK RICH

SARAH PALIN and Al Sharpton don’t ordinarily have much in common, but they achieved a rare harmonic convergence at Michael Jackson’s memorial service. When Sharpton told the singer’s children it was their daddy’s adversaries, not their daddy, who were “strange,” he was channeling the pugnacious argument the Alaska governor had made the week before. There was nothing strange about her decision to quit in midterm, Palin told America. What’s strange — or “insane,” in her lingo — are the critics who dare question her erratic behavior on the national stage.

Sharpton’s bashing of Jackson’s naysayers received the biggest ovation of the entire show. Palin’s combative resignation soliloquy, though much mocked by prognosticators of all political persuasions, has an equally vociferous and more powerful constituency. In the aftermath of her decision to drop out and cash in, Palin’s standing in the G.O.P. actually rose in the USA Today/Gallup poll. No less than 71 percent of Republicans said they would vote for her for president. That overwhelming majority isn’t just the “base” of the Republican Party that liberals and conservatives alike tend to ghettoize as a rump backwater minority. It is the party, or pretty much what remains of it in the Barack Obama era.

That’s why Palin won’t go gently into the good night, much as some Republicans in Washington might wish. She is not just the party’s biggest star and most charismatic television performer; she is its only star and charismatic performer. Most important, she stands for a genuine movement: a dwindling white nonurban America that is aflame with grievances and awash in self-pity as the country hurtles into the 21st century and leaves it behind. Palin gives this movement a major party brand and political plausibility that its open-throated media auxiliary, exemplified by Glenn Beck, cannot. She loves the spotlight, can raise millions of dollars and has no discernible reason to go fishing now except for self-promotional photo ops.

The essence of Palinism is emotional, not ideological. Yes, she is of the religious right, even if she winks literally and figuratively at her own daughter’s flagrant disregard of abstinence and marriage. But family-values politics, now more devalued than the dollar by the philandering of ostentatiously Christian Republican politicians, can only take her so far. The real wave she’s riding is a loud, resonant surge of resentment and victimization that’s larger than issues like abortion and gay civil rights.

That resentment is in part about race, of course. When Palin referred to Alaska as “a microcosm of America” during the 2008 campaign, it was in defiance of the statistical reality that her state’s tiny black and Hispanic populations are unrepresentative of her nation. She stood for the “real America,” she insisted, and the identity of the unreal America didn’t have to be stated explicitly for audiences to catch her drift. Her convention speech’s signature line was a deftly coded putdown of her presumably shiftless big-city opponent: “I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities.” (Funny how this wisdom has been forgotten by her supporters now that she has abandoned her own actual responsibilities in public office.)

The latest flashpoint for this kind of animus is the near-certain elevation to the Supreme Court of Sonia Sotomayor, whose Senate confirmation hearings arrive this week. Prominent Palinists were fast to demean Sotomayor as a dim-witted affirmative-action baby. Fred Barnes of The Weekly Standard, the Palinist hymnal, labeled Sotomayor “not the smartest” and suggested that Princeton awards academic honors on a curve. Karl Rove said, “I’m not really certain how intellectually strong she would be.” Those maligning the long and accomplished career of an Ivy League-educated judge do believe in affirmative-action — but only for white people like Palin, whom they boosted for vice president despite her minimal achievements and knowledge of policy, the written word or even geography.

The politics of resentment are impervious to facts. Palinists regard their star as an icon of working-class America even though the Palins’ combined reported income ($211,000) puts them in the top 3.6 percent of American households. They see her as a champion of conservative fiscal principles even though she said yes to the Bridge to Nowhere and presided over a state that ranks No.1 in federal pork.

Nowhere is the power of resentment to trump reason more flagrantly illustrated than in the incessant complaint by Palin and her troops that she is victimized by a double standard in the “mainstream media.” In truth, the commentators at ABC, NBC and CNN — often the same ones who judged Michelle Obama a drag on her husband — all tried to outdo each other in praise for Palin when she emerged at the Republican convention 10 months ago. Even now, the so-called mainstream media can grade Palin on a curve: at MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” last week, Palin’s self-proclaimed representation of the “real America” was accepted as a given, as if white rural America actually still was the nation’s baseline.

The Palinists’ bogus beefs about double standards reached farcical proportions at Fox News on the sleepy pre-Fourth Friday afternoon when word of her abdication hit the East. The fill-in anchor demanded that his token Democratic stooge name another female politician who had suffered such “disgraceful attacks” as Palin. When the obvious answer arrived — Hillary Clinton — the Fox host angrily protested that Clinton had never been attacked in “a sexual way” or “about her children.”

Americans have short memories, but it’s hardly ancient history that conservative magazines portrayed Hillary Clinton as both a dominatrix cracking a whip and a broomstick-riding witch. Or that Rush Limbaugh held up a picture of Chelsea Clinton on television to identify the “White House dog.” Or that Palin’s running mate, John McCain, told a sexual joke linking Hillary and Chelsea and Janet Reno. Yet the same conservative commentariat that vilified both Clintons 24/7 now whines that Palin is receiving “the kind of mauling” that the media “always reserve for conservative Republicans.” So said The Wall Street Journal editorial page last week. You’d never guess that The Journal had published six innuendo-laden books on real and imagined Clinton scandals, or that the Clintons had been a leading target of both Letterman and Leno monologues, not to mention many liberal editorial pages (including that of The Times), for much of a decade.

Those Republicans who have not drunk the Palin Kool-Aid are apocalyptic for good reason. She could well be their last presidential candidate standing. Such would-be competitors as Mark Sanford, John Ensign and Newt Gingrich are too carnally compromised for the un-Clinton party. Mike Huckabee is Palin-lite. Tim Pawlenty, Bobby Jindal — really? That leaves the charisma-challenged Mitt Romney, precisely the kind of card-carrying Ivy League elitist Palinists loathe, no matter how hard he tries to cosmetically alter his history as a socially liberal fat-cat banker. Palin would crush him like a bug. She has the Teflon-coated stature among Republicans that Romney can only fantasize about.

Were Palin actually to secure the 2012 nomination, the result would be a fiasco for the G.O.P. akin to Goldwater 1964, as the most relentless conservative Palin critic, David Frum, has predicted. Or would it? No one thought Richard Nixon — a far less personable commodity than Palin — would come back either after his sour-grapes “last press conference” of 1962. But Democratic divisions and failures gave him his opportunity in 1968. With unemployment approaching 10 percent and a seemingly bottomless war in Afghanistan, you never know, as Palin likes to say, what doors might open.

It’s more likely that she will never get anywhere near the White House, and not just because of her own limitations. The Palinist “real America” is demographically doomed to keep shrinking. But the emotion it represents is disproportionately powerful for its numbers. It’s an anger that Palin enjoyed stoking during her “palling around with terrorists” crusade against Obama on the campaign trail. It’s an anger that’s curdled into self-martyrdom since Inauguration Day.

Its voice can be found in the postings at a Web site maintained by the fans of Mark Levin, the Obama hater who is, at this writing, the No.2 best-selling hardcover nonfiction writer in America. (Glenn Beck is No.1 in paperback nonfiction.) Politico surveyed them last week. “Bottomline, do you know of any way we can remove these idiots before this country goes down the crapper?” wrote one Levin fan. “I WILL HELP!!! Should I buy a gun?” Another called for a new American revolution, promising “there will be blood.”

These are the cries of a constituency that feels disenfranchised — by the powerful and the well-educated who gamed the housing bubble, by a news media it keeps being told is hateful, by the immigrants who have taken some of their jobs, by the African-American who has ended a white monopoly on the White House. Palin is their born avatar. She puts a happy, sexy face on ugly emotions, and she can solidify her followers’ hold on a G.O.P. that has no leaders with the guts or alternative vision to stand up to them or to her.

For a week now, critics in both parties have had a blast railing at Palin. It’s good sport. But just as the media muttering about those unseemly “controversies” rallied the fans of the King of Pop, so are Palin’s political obituaries likely to jump-start her lucrative afterlife

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/op...12rich.html?em

FuglyStick · 07-13-2009, 09:21 AM

Palin will end up sinking the Republican party if her name comes up in the 2010 primaries, maybe for good. By choosing her as the VP candidate in the 2008 elections, the GOP created a populist monster within their party, a lightning rod for emotional appeal but a liability for GOP policy and rational conservatives.

ASU2003 · 07-13-2009, 02:56 PM

I leave the country for two weeks and don't read newspapers or watch the news and this happens...

Tully Mars · 07-13-2009, 03:04 PM

Couldn't have left the country while Bush/Cheney were in office?

mixedmedia · 07-13-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tully Mars

Couldn't have left the country while Bush/Cheney were in office?

sorry, but that was too good...

Derwood · 07-14-2009, 07:16 AM

msnbc.com Video Player

Maddow says it better than I ever could

aceventura3 · 07-14-2009, 09:58 AM

You guys!!! I could never fully explain the pleasure I get from interacting with liberals.

Let me ask a question:

Would you rather be Palin or one of the suckers like the Democrats in Washington including Obama?

In the face of the worst financial crisis in the history of the known universe or how ever Obama described it, Goldman Sachs (investment bank) records record quarterly profits. Keep in mind we not talking just high profits, but record profits!!! Goldamn has been in business since about 1869. Oh, and their profits would have been higher accept for the dividend they had to pay on the $10 billion in Tarp funds they used. The Tarp funds, that they were discouraged from paying back.

Do you think Maddow will take some of her valuable time away from talking about Palin to focus on something a bit more relevant? Like how is it that Obama let this happen when unemployment is close to 10%. I bet not. I am also willing to bet people like Maddow, don't even know what is going on and how Americans are being played as they talk about how unsophisticated and dumb Palin is. Where is Levi Johnston, perhaps he can tell us what brand of toilet paper is in the Palin household.

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Goldman posted income of $3.44 billion, or $4.93 a share, up from $2.09 billion, or $4.58 a share, a year earlier. The latest results included a $426 million dividend related to the company's paying back its TARP funds. Excluding that dividend, earnings were $5.71 a share. Net revenue jumped 46% to $13.76 billion.

Goldman's Profit Soars on Record Trading Results - WSJ.com

ratbastid · 07-14-2009, 10:04 AM

It's clear that all you've seen of Rachel Maddow is the clip posted above... She's been one of the Obama Administrations' sharpest (and best-informed) critics, and she's a liberal, so there's no question her criticism isn't from some knee-jerk Libaughesque reactionary position. And she has BLASTED him on his handling of the banks. BLASTED.

Also: this thread is called "Palin resigns", not "could we talk about something else please??".

aceventura3 · 07-14-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ratbastid

It's clear that all you've seen of Rachel Maddow is the clip posted above... She's been one of the Obama Administrations' sharpest (and best-informed) critics, and she's a liberal, so there's no question her criticism isn't from some knee-jerk Libaughesque reactionary position. And she has BLASTED him on his handling of the banks. BLASTED.

Also: this thread is called "Palin resigns", not "could we talk about something else please??".

You are kidding if you call Maddow a critic of the Obama administration. She is a bit disappointed but continually makes excuses for him and understands his "difficult situation."

The point of my post, after looking at the video clip and hearing how Maddow nailed the Palin resignation, is how unimportant her analysis was. Her analysis is speculation at best, while real issues go ignored. The irony is Palin gets more coverage on MSNBC than she gets on Fox, assuming you buy into Fox being the conservative voice, why would that be true? Like I have asked several times, why do liberals fear Palin?

Derwood · 07-14-2009, 10:31 AM

yep, you've never seen her show. you really have zero idea what you're talking about

Baraka_Guru · 07-14-2009, 10:42 AM

Wait, didn't the Goldman Sachs news just break today?

aceventura3 · 07-14-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Derwood

yep, you've never seen her show. you really have zero idea what you're talking about

Wrong. I watch her show occationally. She is disappointed with "don't ask don't tell", lack of action on "torture", Slow action on Gitmo and mildly critical of a few other things. However, she is an Obama cheerleader and solidly in his camp.

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Wait, didn't the Goldman Sachs news just break today?

Yes and no.

Paulson, Bush's Secretary of Treasury, was a former Goldman CEO. His original bailout plan focused on a small number of investment banks. Obama and Democrats came to the rescue and passed a plan that was "detailed" and a plan the met all of Obama's requirements, I think I recall he had 3. Then of course we know the rest of the story, about the financial crisis, and the on-going actions taken by our fear-less leaders in Washington to save institutions "too big to fail", etc., etc. all of this was happening while banks raised fees, interest rates, withdrew lines of credit, forclosed home in record numbers, merged with other institutions, paid banuses, execs flew in private jets, etc, etc, etc.

The industry consolidated, competition limited, government subsidized big firms, and we end up with "record" profits. Anyone paying attention saw this coming.
I think most people were focused on Palin. I admit she is a good looking woman, but she doesn't look that good.

Baraka_Guru · 07-14-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by aceventura3

[Maddow] is an Obama cheerleader and solidly in his camp.

Sisk, boom, ba, rah, rah, rah!

YouTube - Maddow Calls Out Obama On His "Prolonged Detention" Policies

Derwood · 07-14-2009, 11:21 AM

SarahPAC - Sarah Palin's Official PAC

I love where this is all going

Baraka_Guru · 07-14-2009, 11:26 AM

SarahPAC?

Omigod.

Palin is going to become the Cromwell-like figure that will save America, isn't she?

aceventura3 · 07-14-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru

Sisk, boom, ba, rah, rah, rah!

YouTube - Maddow Calls Out Obama On His "Prolonged Detention" Policies

I thought I listed this issue as an area where, I agree, that she has been critical of Obama. But in spite of the clip, I stand by my view as Maddow being an Obama cheerleader. She will need to do a bit more in my view before I would consider her objective. I can see why some already think she is. However, the problem especially with liberals, when assessing Obama is that with him - it just gets so ridiculously obvious his words and actions can not be reconciled - that it can not be ignored. Most objective and critical thinking people saw that in Obama a long time ago.

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Originally Posted by Derwood

SarahPAC - Sarah Palin's Official PAC

I love where this is all going

She is not Ross Perot (I voted for him once), or John Heinz

, or was that John Kerry.

Willravel · 07-14-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by aceventura3

I thought I listed this issue as an area where, I agree, that she has been critical of Obama. But in spite of the clip, I stand by my view as Maddow being an Obama cheerleader. She will need to do a bit more in my view before I would consider her objective. I can see why some already think she is. However, the problem especially with liberals, when assessing Obama is that with him - it just gets so ridiculously obvious his words and actions can not be reconciled - that it can not be ignored. Most objective and critical thinking people saw that in Obama a long time ago.

Actually, the last few weeks Maddow has consistently gone after the Obama administration. Please don't act as if it's one segment. And not liking Obama because he's on the Democratic ticket, as conservatives and Republicans actually though, is hardly objective.

Baraka_Guru · 07-14-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by aceventura3

I thought I listed this issue as an area where, I agree, that she has been critical of Obama. But in spite of the clip, I stand by my view as Maddow being an Obama cheerleader.

I understand your position, but you and I must have two different ideas of what constitutes a "cheerleader" and being in one's camp.

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She will need to do a bit more in my view before I would consider her objective. I can see why some already think she is. However, the problem especially with liberals, when assessing Obama is that with him - it just gets so ridiculously obvious his words and actions can not be reconciled - that it can not be ignored. Most objective and critical thinking people saw that in Obama a long time ago.

This I can accept. However, you should expect liberals to want to give other liberals the benefit of the doubt. This does not equate to cheerleading or sitting in the camp, per se. There is expectation, and then there is outcome. I don't know of many who are singing praises of Obama. I do know there were high expectations though.

danbo · 07-15-2009, 10:39 AM

Palin decided to leave office, due to the increasing number of keyboard commandos constantly questioning her policies and motives, would be my guess.

shakran · 07-15-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by danbo

Palin decided to leave office, due to the increasing number of keyboard commandos constantly questioning her policies and motives, would be my guess.

You're probably right.

In which case you just proved our point. Anyone who runs away from the Governor's office because some people on the internet don't like her isn't fit to lead a kid to the bathroom.

roachboy · 07-29-2009, 07:58 AM

this is the best thing to come of sarah palin's resignation: william shatner reading her speech as a poem on the conan o'brien show.

YouTube - HD William Shatner Reads Sarah Palin's Farewell Speech

aceventura3 · 07-29-2009, 10:38 AM

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this is the best thing to come of sarah palin's resignation: william shatner reading her speech as a poem on the conan o'brien show.

I tuned into MSNBC this morning, watching Morning Joe. The panel was simply giddy as they showed poll results indicating about 1/3 of the respondents indicating Palin is best suited to be a homemaker as her next move. They did not report on the polls shoing Pelosi has about 75% of respondents saying they don't trust her or that her approval ratings are consistently below 30%.

If liberals really think Palin is dumb, incompetent, unethical, a hypocrite, dishonest, racist, homophobic, intolerant, incoherent, a quitter, etc, etc, why aren't they celebrating Palin stepping down? Why do they continue their focus on her? Currently she is not a governor, she is not a candidate, she is not even employed - so what is the fascination from the left?

dippin · 07-29-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by aceventura3

If liberals really think Palin is dumb, incompetent, unethical, a hypocrite, dishonest, racist, homophobic, intolerant, incoherent, a quitter, etc, etc, why aren't they celebrating Palin stepping down? Why do they continue their focus on her? Currently she is not a governor, she is not a candidate, she is not even employed - so what is the fascination from the left?

I don't think it's about "liberals" hating on her. I think people simply like train wrecks. Palin is competing for attention not with Pelosi, but with Kate Gosslin.

ratbastid · 07-29-2009, 11:45 AM

Speaking on behalf of the left (presumptuous, but there it is), I'm MORE than happy to see her fade into obscurity. I sincerely hope she has a great life. I have nothing more to say about her, and nothing much to add to this thread that's even remotely topical, beyond this meta-posting you're reading right now. I'll get interested in her again if and when she ever darkens the political stage again, but until then, she's an ex-governor and ex-VP-candidate, and that's all there is to it.

Don't confuse the MEDIA (which is still humping Michael Jackson's corpse, more than a month later) with THE LEFT. I know in Right-land they're one and the same, but that's not reality. She's in the news because her final speech was a few days ago. Doesn't mean anybody NOT on TV gives a good god damn. I certainly don't.

roachboy · 07-29-2009, 11:48 AM

yeah ace...i just thought the william shatner performance was great. for what it's worth, seeing that was the first thought i'd given to sarah palin in days and days. i'm firmly in the "don't care what she does" camp. i think it'd be funny to watch the republicans commit collective suicide by promoting her for national office--but we're not there and i don't find speculating about sarah palin to be anywhere near as fun as speculating about--o i don't know--what color birds i will see out my window tomorrow morning, whether there will be cranes out there or not.

Cynthetiq · 07-29-2009, 12:57 PM

we're on page 8 and no longer talking about Palin resigning... not even remotely.

kutulu · 07-29-2009, 01:21 PM

So? A thread goes way off topic, that sort of thing happens in normal conversation all the time. Forcing it back to the original topic of closing it and suggesting a new thread is started is the type of thing that drives users away.

Cynthetiq · 07-29-2009, 01:41 PM

Conversely people come here see a topic that is off topic to the OP and decide that it's just fine and acceptable to discuss whatever they want outside of the topic and thus drives users away. You see it your way, I see it mine.

But since you feel that it's "going to drive users away" if it's locked and you don't think that a new thread should be started...

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sex debate has been split into it's own thread. please keep this on the resignation topic.

aceventura3 · 07-29-2009, 04:17 PM

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I don't think it's about "liberals" hating on her.

Move on.org ad:

YouTube - New Face

For some reason liberals fear Palin. She is a person with no real political power, but the more they attack the stronger some conservatives are willing to stand with her, including me.

Shauk · 07-29-2009, 04:23 PM

Which is why no one should take you seriously.

Willravel · 07-29-2009, 04:41 PM

Here is the simple reasons "liberals" "hate" Sarah Palin: we don't. I have no more feelings for her than I have for any other celebrity. They are ultimately simply sources of entertainment for some. The problem we have is with the movement that sprung up around her. I cannot stand the people that support Sarah Palin because they're the kind that glorify and worship whatever they're told to glorify and worship. It should be enough that I offer Sarah Palin as an example of this phenomena, but some people are so clouded on the issue, I have to start bringing up names like Joe the Plumber. The problem is the ease with which celebrity can not only replace, but defeat openly any substance.

Liberals like myself know that it's just a matter of time before either Sarah Palin comes back, or we get a new version of Sarah Palin and the whole stupid dance begins again. It pisses me off that instead of the right finding it's greatest mind to fight for their principles, they go for an empty vessel the RNC can try to fill with a bunch of contradictory bullcrap.

Nixon was a smart motherfucker. Had I been alive when he was president, I would have hated him, why? Because he was damned capable and he was working for the other side. Sarah Palin isn't anything. She's not really smart, she's not a capable speaker, she doesn't know much about politics, and she tries to make up for it with this vapid sensibility. She doesn't matter one bit, I couldn't become any more angry at her as I could at a shovel. She's just a tool. The anger on the right is at the Palin followers. You people that were willing to follow an empty shirt because it happened to house something other than an old white man and ate up what she said even when it was contradictory or nonsensical. It's the shepple, the most dangerous force in the world.

aceventura3 · 07-29-2009, 05:04 PM

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Which is why no one should take you seriously.

The real reason for you not take me seriously would be because my views and influence could not have any impact on your life or the world. However, we both know that people who share my views are here. If I were you, and it is one of the reasons I take the time to understand liberals, is to try to understand people like me. We did win the Presidency in 2000 and 2004. We got our tax cuts. We got Saddam out. We have Democrats in Congress and Obama running scared on health care. We have Obama adopting most of Bush's foriegn policy initiatives. Do I need to go on?

Tully Mars · 07-30-2009, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by aceventura3

Move on.org ad:

YouTube - New Face

For some reason liberals fear Palin. She is a person with no real political power, but the more they attack the stronger some conservatives are willing to stand with her, including me.

She has no political power? Then why are people filling her PAC bank account? And she's strong? Wasn't strong enough to finish the job she was elected for she quit that because she "didn't want to be a lame duck?" That up there with all time dumb ass excuses I've ever heard.

asaris · 07-30-2009, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by aceventura3

Move on.org ad:

YouTube - New Face

For some reason liberals fear Palin. She is a person with no real political power, but the more they attack the stronger some conservatives are willing to stand with her, including me.

That's not an anti-Palin ad. That's an ad attacking Congressional Republicans for acting liking Palin. It's capitalizing on anti-Palin sentiment, but the point isn't to attack her.

aceventura3 · 07-30-2009, 07:39 AM

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She has no political power? Then why are people filling her PAC bank account? And she's strong? Wasn't strong enough to finish the job she was elected for she quit that because she "didn't want to be a lame duck?" That up there with all time dumb ass excuses I've ever heard.

I guess, the Obama approach was better. Don't actually do your job, a senator, as you spend all you time running for President. Do you think that is a more honest approach? Personally I love honesty - hey guys I am not going to run for re-election, I am going to devote my time to other things, I am not going to pretend to be your governor, I am not going to waste tax money on defending my actions against frivolous ethics claims..., Palin is oh, so refreshing as a politician.

Derwood · 07-30-2009, 07:41 AM

Liberals aren't afraid of Palin. At all. They're making fun of her because she's ridiculous. Surely you can see the difference.

aceventura3 · 07-30-2009, 07:51 AM

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That's not an anti-Palin ad.

If you say so. I suppose in a weird way it is a pro-Palin ad, any publicity is good publicity, right? Kind of like those anti-smoking ads that cigarette companies put on the air targeting young people - hey guys, don't smoke, don't smoke, smoke, don't smock...,

Or, the ad kinda gives Palin credibility - if Move on.org is against her, I am going to be for her.

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Originally Posted by Derwood

Liberals aren't afraid of Palin. At all. They're making fun of her because she's ridiculous. Surely you can see the difference.

I would not make fun of people I think lack mental capacity, are unethical, and all her other deficiencies. I only make fun of people who think they are better than other people. I don't understand what liberals are doing regarding their attacks on Palin.

YaWhateva · 07-30-2009, 08:42 AM

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I only make fun of people who think they are better than other people.

but from the looks of it, she does think that.

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FuglyStick WHEEEE! Whee! Whee! WHEEEE! Location: Southern Illinois	Palin will end up sinking the Republican party if her name comes up in the 2010 primaries, maybe for good. By choosing her as the VP candidate in the 2008 elections, the GOP created a populist monster within their party, a lightning rod for emotional appeal but a liability for GOP policy and rational conservatives. __________________ AZIZ! LIGHT!

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Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Couldn't have left the country while Bush/Cheney were in office? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

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Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	Wait, didn't the Goldman Sachs news just break today? __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

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Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	SarahPAC? Omigod. Palin is going to become the Cromwell-like figure that will save America, isn't she? __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

07-29-2009, 11:48 AM	#227 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	yeah ace...i just thought the william shatner performance was great. for what it's worth, seeing that was the first thought i'd given to sarah palin in days and days. i'm firmly in the "don't care what she does" camp. i think it'd be funny to watch the republicans commit collective suicide by promoting her for national office--but we're not there and i don't find speculating about sarah palin to be anywhere near as fun as speculating about--o i don't know--what color birds i will see out my window tomorrow morning, whether there will be cranes out there or not. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

07-13-2009, 02:56 PM	#205 (permalink)
ASU2003 immoral minority Location: Back in Ohio	I leave the country for two weeks and don't read newspapers or watch the news and this happens...

07-14-2009, 10:04 AM	#210 (permalink)
ratbastid Darth Papa Location: Yonder	It's clear that all you've seen of Rachel Maddow is the clip posted above... She's been one of the Obama Administrations' sharpest (and best-informed) critics, and she's a liberal, so there's no question her criticism isn't from some knee-jerk Libaughesque reactionary position. And she has BLASTED him on his handling of the banks. BLASTED. Also: this thread is called "Palin resigns", not "could we talk about something else please??".

07-14-2009, 10:31 AM	#212 (permalink)
Derwood Who You Crappin? Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	yep, you've never seen her show. you really have zero idea what you're talking about

07-14-2009, 11:21 AM	#216 (permalink)
Derwood Who You Crappin? Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	SarahPAC - Sarah Palin's Official PAC I love where this is all going

07-15-2009, 10:39 AM	#221 (permalink)
danbo Upright Location: Midwest	Palin decided to leave office, due to the increasing number of keyboard commandos constantly questioning her policies and motives, would be my guess.

07-29-2009, 11:45 AM	#226 (permalink)
ratbastid Darth Papa Location: Yonder	Speaking on behalf of the left (presumptuous, but there it is), I'm MORE than happy to see her fade into obscurity. I sincerely hope she has a great life. I have nothing more to say about her, and nothing much to add to this thread that's even remotely topical, beyond this meta-posting you're reading right now. I'll get interested in her again if and when she ever darkens the political stage again, but until then, she's an ex-governor and ex-VP-candidate, and that's all there is to it. Don't confuse the MEDIA (which is still humping Michael Jackson's corpse, more than a month later) with THE LEFT. I know in Right-land they're one and the same, but that's not reality. She's in the news because her final speech was a few days ago. Doesn't mean anybody NOT on TV gives a good god damn. I certainly don't.

07-29-2009, 12:57 PM	#228 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	we're on page 8 and no longer talking about Palin resigning... not even remotely. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

07-29-2009, 01:21 PM	#229 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	So? A thread goes way off topic, that sort of thing happens in normal conversation all the time. Forcing it back to the original topic of closing it and suggesting a new thread is started is the type of thing that drives users away.

07-29-2009, 01:41 PM	#230 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	Conversely people come here see a topic that is off topic to the OP and decide that it's just fine and acceptable to discuss whatever they want outside of the topic and thus drives users away. You see it your way, I see it mine. But since you feel that it's "going to drive users away" if it's locked and you don't think that a new thread should be started... ---------- Post added at 05:41 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:25 PM ---------- sex debate has been split into it's own thread. please keep this on the resignation topic. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

07-29-2009, 04:23 PM	#232 (permalink)
Shauk Confused Adult Location: Spokane, WA	Which is why no one should take you seriously.

07-29-2009, 04:41 PM	#233 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Here is the simple reasons "liberals" "hate" Sarah Palin: we don't. I have no more feelings for her than I have for any other celebrity. They are ultimately simply sources of entertainment for some. The problem we have is with the movement that sprung up around her. I cannot stand the people that support Sarah Palin because they're the kind that glorify and worship whatever they're told to glorify and worship. It should be enough that I offer Sarah Palin as an example of this phenomena, but some people are so clouded on the issue, I have to start bringing up names like Joe the Plumber. The problem is the ease with which celebrity can not only replace, but defeat openly any substance. Liberals like myself know that it's just a matter of time before either Sarah Palin comes back, or we get a new version of Sarah Palin and the whole stupid dance begins again. It pisses me off that instead of the right finding it's greatest mind to fight for their principles, they go for an empty vessel the RNC can try to fill with a bunch of contradictory bullcrap. Nixon was a smart motherfucker. Had I been alive when he was president, I would have hated him, why? Because he was damned capable and he was working for the other side. Sarah Palin isn't anything. She's not really smart, she's not a capable speaker, she doesn't know much about politics, and she tries to make up for it with this vapid sensibility. She doesn't matter one bit, I couldn't become any more angry at her as I could at a shovel. She's just a tool. The anger on the right is at the Palin followers. You people that were willing to follow an empty shirt because it happened to house something other than an old white man and ate up what she said even when it was contradictory or nonsensical. It's the shepple, the most dangerous force in the world.

07-30-2009, 07:41 AM	#238 (permalink)
Derwood Who You Crappin? Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	Liberals aren't afraid of Palin. At all. They're making fun of her because she's ridiculous. Surely you can see the difference.