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Old 08-03-2009, 05:12 PM   #41 (permalink)
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ace what would stop you from buying that plan if you wanted it? If you want to buy such a plan then clearly there is demand for such a plan and thus the private sector would handle that itself.
I have not seen a final plan from Congress yet, I am saying what I would want. Under Medicare a person can purchase medigap policies to supplement medicare. If we had a system like that, I could support it. My biggest problem with "single payer" would be not having a choice. Also, under Medicare doctors can opt in or opt out.

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I don't see why lowering the cost of health care for everyone is a bad thing....
It is not a bad thing. However, if it is "free", people will take it for granted and be wasteful with it.

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Yeah, it must be all those French non-smokers.
Or, the sex before they light up.
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:04 AM   #42 (permalink)
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I pay for my employer offered health care, I do not mind paying for it. I get the health care that I want not the health care someone else or some Idiot Government Bureaucrat thinks I need. The current system which may need some adjustments is working for 90% of the people now. So why screw it up for these people just so the illegal's or those who do not want insurance are forced into another Govt. fiasco?
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:05 AM   #43 (permalink)
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so because it works for you it should work for everyone?
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Old 08-04-2009, 09:04 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Why should you liberal socialists take away the freedoms the rest of enjoy just to implement free or extremely low cost so said health care. We already have charity hospitals, medicare, medicaid, that are govt. run. Fix those and leave the rest alone.
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Old 08-04-2009, 09:07 AM   #45 (permalink)
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well that's hardly worth responding to
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Old 08-04-2009, 05:28 PM   #46 (permalink)
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I had a reply Ace but I lost it...not sure what I'd be willing to pay...but why ask me ? sounds like dickering for a used car. I pay my dentist out of pocket and I don't mind that. I don't mind paying for what I buy. the only people I've experienced trying really hard to to get out of paying for stuff are rich people, like bringing a lawyer to negotiate the bill to a contractor to see if they can screw him out of 10k or so on a 10 million dollar home.

now if I was paying a Dr. for services...maybe that'd be fine too. but they have thousands of administrators, layers and insurance companies leaching all their money. who knows.

I don't get the whole chevy vs caddy analogy...what is it ? private rooms and fresh flowers every day ?
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Old 08-06-2009, 11:37 AM   #47 (permalink)
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First off, the government option being brought before congress ISN'T A SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM, meaning companies and citizens aren't 'switching' to government option unless they choose to due to costs. That means the insurance companies will have to compete.

However, lets extrapolate what a Single Payer system would do.

Companies pay huge money (combined with employer contributions) now. These companies would/could continue to do so, picking up the 'tax' contribution which would still be less than they pay now. Dr offices would operate cheaper without spending time and employee payroll on forms, denial re-claims, indigent care (hospitals), and the like. These costs of privatized care are why the WHO ranks American health care as #1 in expense, #32 in care world-wide.

Your claim is perused by at least one Doctor and one lawyer trying to find a way to not pay the claim. Health care costs are the #1 reason for bankruptcy in America, many of whom HAVE privatized insurance.
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