02-23-2009, 12:41 PM | #1 (permalink) | |
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Is there some form of auditing process to make sure judges are not abusing their power? Does someone sit there and run statistics, trying to figure out if a judge is showing undue bias? Who is in charge of appointing judges from state to state, and does it take a scandal such as this to become disbarred?
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02-23-2009, 03:13 PM | #2 (permalink) |
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I read this a few weeks ago and it made me sick. This is another example of where privatization of institutions that serve the public good can go horribly wrong. The problem with privatization of this type of institution is there motive moves from rehabilitation to profit. The more people they get in their system the more money they make. This whole thing reminds me of the movies death race and the condemned.
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02-23-2009, 05:26 PM | #4 (permalink) |
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Ciavarvella sent 15-year-old Hillary Transue to a wilderness camp for mocking an assistant principal on a MySpace page.
Wilderness camp? Who's upset by this? she's only "shocked and upset", and if she's that shocked and upset she won't do it again. Let's see what happens. He whisked 13-year-old Shane Bly, who was accused of trespassing in a vacant building, from his parents and confined him in a boot camp for two weekends. "whisked away for two weekends"........... okay, his mother is doing him no favors by feeding into his PSTD over a 2 weekend punishment for breaking the law, which we can assume was probably more than setting one foot over a "no trespassing sign. As the article mentioned, kids live in the moment. Tell him he got what he deserved and move on. He sentenced Kurt Kruger, 17, to detention and five months of boot camp for helping a friend steal DVDs from Wal-Mart. Several other lawsuits on behalf of the juveniles who have appeared in Ciavarella's courtroom have emerged. What's the problem? He's a thief, maybe he won't be one when he's 18. He should thank the system for helping him in time. What do kid friednly states do? |
02-23-2009, 05:54 PM | #5 (permalink) |
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matthew, do you know anyone who has been sent to a wilderness program? I do, and though he makes light of what happened, ten years later the experience still profoundly effects who he is. It made him a violent sleeper, for one. It robbed him of his senior year of high school, for two, and he wasn't able to participate in all of the things his other friends were.
Mocking an assistant principal on a MySpace page shouldn't be punished this way, even if it's libelous. It's too heavyhanded. As it was said in the article, and as it has already been said elsewhere, adolescents and teens cannot conceive of the consequences within a grander context. In simple terms, they don't see the big picture. I'm not arguing that there shouldn't be consequences, but the consequences should be reasonable. Community service is a very reasonable, positive consequence. I'm not sure what we can do about such corruption, or if it's widespread. I certainly hope it isn't. That would be very disheartening. Admittedly, our juvenile justice system is already all sorts of fucked.
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02-23-2009, 06:14 PM | #7 (permalink) |
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snowy, how do you know that experience, which he makes light of, makes him a violent sleeper.....10 years later. How long was he there, what happened to him there? Fill in those little details which you evidently know, before you tell me he was at a wildnerness camp with 10 years of violent sleeping before you expect me to take that reference in the article to wilderness camp seriously (or anyone else for that matter).
And your senior year in high school, really doesn't set the stage for the rest of your life....unless your Napoleon Dynamite's cousin, in which case, if it helps, he probably wouldn't have made the pro's anyway. Guccliver, I guess I missed the part where the judges handed out clearly draconian punishments because they were making a few extra bucks. You connected A to G, and forgot b,c,d,e, and f. |
02-23-2009, 06:24 PM | #8 (permalink) |
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matthew330, dude, I have to disagree with you.
These camps and detention facilities ... you have no idea. And for what, shoplifting, mocking a principle? Man, community service all the way. |
02-23-2009, 06:25 PM | #9 (permalink) | |
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Or perhaps it's you who is missing the dots, considering that you are sitting here defending the actions of judges who have done not only their position a great disservice, but the community and the system as well. You are assuming and clearly skipping multiple dots along the way that these kids were going to continue in some sort of crime spree and end up in prison anyway. So really.. who here is missing the dots? The way I see it, you're missing the whole picture..not just the dots. and by the way.. it's not gucciliver.. but thanks anyway. |
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02-23-2009, 06:34 PM | #10 (permalink) |
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Xerxys, one went for two weekends. Two weekends. that's it. If they're that bad, shouldn't this thread be about how bad they are... for even just two lonely weekends away from your miserable controlling parents.
And let me go shoplifting at wallmart, or "help" my friends shoplift at wallmart as the case may be (sounds better doesn't it), and maybe I'll come tell you what real "camp" is all about. If only I were 17. ---------- Post added at 02:34 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:30 AM ---------- Can you tell me what happened to him G-U-C-C-I-L-V-R? (whew, almost put a e between the v and r) |
02-23-2009, 06:35 PM | #11 (permalink) |
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This thread has nothing really to do with the punishments handed out as much as it does with the fact that the judges routinely sentenced children to these punishments for the sole purpose of gaining money. That's it.. there it is in black and white. We can extend it to the punishment level, but the main point still remains that they merely did this for monetary gain..which is immoral by any stretch of the imagination for someone with as much power as a judge holds. So spare the "these kids don't know how easy they have it" crap..and instead focus on what the real issue is.
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02-23-2009, 07:57 PM | #13 (permalink) |
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Game point what?
Corruption is corruption.
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02-23-2009, 08:56 PM | #14 (permalink) |
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This was a colossal failure of the judicial system in Pa.
The judge was elected, not appointed, which is common at that level...so the public bears some responsibility for returning this guy to office repeatedly.. It looks like he was on the bench since 1996. But judges are one of the those elections on the ballot that most voters probably ignore. The greater failure falls on the Judicial Conduct Board of PA. Where the hell were they for the last six years?
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02-24-2009, 08:17 AM | #15 (permalink) |
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thank you, dc_dux, for pointing me in the direction of the judicial conduct board of PA. I was hoping some sort of check system was in place.
I suppose the question to ask now isn't why they didn't pick up on it. Rather, how do they fix their system so they catch such trends in the future.
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02-24-2009, 11:19 AM | #16 (permalink) |
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i know you're supposed to elect the judges, but how many people really look into that sort of thing? maybe its something important that most of my generation is neglecting to read into and vote on. 'tis a shame.
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02-24-2009, 12:12 PM | #17 (permalink) |
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"...The private juvenile detention centers, owned by Mid Atlantic Youth Services Corp., are still operating and are not a target of the federal investigation, according court documents. The company cooperated in the investigation, the documents said...."
Does anybody else find the above-listed comment disturbing? What happened to the 2.6 million dollars the two judges pocketed? Getting sent to wilderness camp for mocking an assistant principal on a MySpace page?!?! How did that wind up in court in the first place? It seems that there are many individuals and agencies that knew someting was wrong, yet did nothing.
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