dippin

Excellent video to illustrate precisely what I was saying: it wasnt two broken legs, and it wasnt a marathon. Pep talks might help here and there, but not in such a deep crisis.

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Maybe it's because what you spend it on, as opposed to how much you spend. Nation building, creating a huge "security" apparatus, and using current medicare and social security surpluses to push regressive tax cuts through is not exactly my idea of spending liberals would get behind.

Of course, congressional dems are being too slow to revert some of these things.

But given the reaction to Obama's budget by many in the press, you get the idea that so many people are shocked that he is trying to do exactly what he campaigned on. The guy runs a campaign on public investment on healthcare, cap and trade, and reverting the tax cuts for those making more than 250k and when he puts those things in the budget, he gets attacked by most of the press corps.

aceventura3

I want to thank you. Because of your posts, I did a search on people doing exceptional things in adverse situations. I was feeling sorry for myself. Now I have put things back into perspective and I am now inspired. I may not do anything as great as some, but what I saw today has had an impact on me. Again, thanks, words/pep talks/cheerleading matters.

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Marvelous Marv

Sorry, does not compute. The problem arose because Jimmy Carter created the CRA, Clinton expanded it, and built a house of cards upon real estate. He further lucked out by getting out of office as the dot com bubble burst, although to hear him tell it, everything was fine in his term.

Bush managed to stave off an economic meltdown in spite of 9/11 by cutting taxes. However, the combination of Democrats taking over Congress in 2006, and their totally mercenary defense of Fannie and Freddie, finally imploded our entire economy. Nice work Barney, Chuckie, Chris, Harry, and Nancy. Why would anyone not trust you to fix the problems you created?

Back to Obama's performance. Geithner, Killefer, Daschle, and now Kirk. Eric Holder is no slouch, either--how much money did Marc Rich's pardon cost again? Obama's appointments make Bush look like a genius!

Good thing our country has no economic problems. If that were not the case, we might think Obama was a fucking dunce for promising $900 million to the Palestinians. If the news media mentioned it, that is.

I am IMPRESSED with how rapidly a community organizer can ruin the lives of average Americans. But hey, as long as he delivers outrageous promises (triple spending, halve the deficit) in impressive sounding speeches, NBC, CBS, and ABC will continue to hide the truth, for whatever reason.

P.S. Someone might want to mention to our financial wizard president that it's "PRICE/Earnings," not "Profit/Earnings."

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dippin

The whole CRA thing is a myth that has long been debunked. Half of subprime loans were made by entities that are in no way regulated by the CRA, and another 1/4 were made by subsidiaries that were only partially regulated by it.

So even if every single loan made by banks regulated by the CRA were only made because of the CRA (which is not true), the majority of troubled subprime mortgages still had nothing to do with it.

pan6467

Obama's Middle-Class Task Force Has No Middle Class

When I saw this headline, I thought "well maybe there will be some big business types that will be there on the board helping. WRONG....they seem to be all politicians making money from the taxpayer they are bleeding dry. They are all supporters of bailing out banks while unemployment skyrockets and the rich get richer and middle class is losing everything.

But I truly love the "There will be transparency and I will veto all pork"

Then facing reports of all the pork in HIS stimulus bill, "That was Bush's regime, I'll start doing it next year."

This guy is a true politician who doesn't give a damn about the people that make this country great (and to help with your guessing, it ain't the ultra rich).

He's a power hungry jerk, who I truly believe will be worse than Bush by the end of his term.

The Dems have the chance to truly make this country great again securing their power or to destroy it and never regain power. Right now, it is looking more and more likely they are out to destroy than rebuild.

Thank God I will not be here when they do, but my son, my neice and nephew, their kids will be paying for this for generations. And Obama continues to make the rich richer.

So very sad, he could have been great, instead he may go down as the worst president ever.

I pray I am wrong.

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Baraka_Guru

Pan:

What was Bush's middle-class task force like?

Was his "Blueprint for the Middle Class" written by the middle class?

Why can't members of the upper class help the middle class?

You talk about bleeding taxpayers dry.

You talk about not giving a damn and being power hungry.

You talk about the country being destroyed.

But you don't talk about the program.

I think your talk is hyperbolic.

Prove me wrong.

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pan6467

Don't care he's no longer president and his policies were never geared for the middle class. I really hope we don't have to compare Obama to Bush because if we compare policies that probably means his aren't going to work.

I'd rather be focused on bettering the nation and learning from the past not comparing things to the past.

Again, don't care...see above answer

I was hoping they were, as my post stated, but they aren't it's filled with people who make their money being politicians and far removed from true heartland middle class.

Yes, we are. We bail out banks give billions to them then we give taxpayers $13 extra a week.

Who is going to pay for all this? We aren't doing shit to rebuild a true tax base. Without a deep and strong tax base you have no choice but to keep going after those who can pay.

And I believe so far that is what we are seeing from Obama. We saw that from Bush. Obama doesn't care about middle class people, if he did he would have lived up to his "I will veto all pork" "I will make government more transparent" I have a feeling if things get worse, he'll blame Bush more and be more hidden than Bush.

He's in over his head but I have a feeling loves the power.

Well, no strong tax base, bailing out the ultra rich with NO true idea where the money is going, times keep getting worse and no one knows what to do, but helping the banks and the ultra rich while the people starve isn't the right way to go.

what program, Obama doesn't even have any ideas that are going to work.

We are all entitled to our opinions. That's all I'm giving is my opinion and the way I see things.

If you see things different then by all means offer up your opinion.

Nice thing about an opinion is I don't have to prove you wrong and opinions can change.

If this middle class task force starts talking to hard working true middle class citizens and truly works to build some programs that work and help, then I'll commend Obama and state I was wrong about him.... until then, it ain't happening.

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roachboy

i keep not understanding how folk are thinking about the relation between making a statement that an initiative is going to happen and seeing effects from it. it's most strange, like there's an instant gratification thing that cuts across otherwise reasonable people's judgment.

the situation that neoliberalism generated--all the while providing more than enough ideological blah blah blah so that there was no need to look too hard at this situation as it was taking shape--is complicated. look at it this way: it took the united states 30 years of sustained reactionary stupidity to get itself into this mess, so it hardly makes sense to assume that somehow a new president is going to be able to wave a magic wand about and everything will be all better.

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filtherton

It's like nobody has ever heard of momentum.

pan6467

When you claim to have a middle class task force and fill it with all politicians and talk to not 1 person from the true middle class.... it's a farce. That may change, we will see.

No, there is no quick fix for this, but bailing out the banks and knowing you will have to tax the middle class more to pay for it because you have no idea how to build a tax base (manufacturing, good paying jobs, less imports or higher tariffs is a good way to get this tax base).... you are in no way fixing the country long term because you are adding more to the bill that will be coming due with fewer tax payers.

It's not instant gratification to want to hear and SEE plans to truly change things for the better.

"I will veto all pork" man shows me nothing but he is the same as Bush, just a slightly different platform but no ideas to change the direction of this country.

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Momentum eventually slows down and starts swinging the other way unless pushed in the same direction.... Obama is keeping that negative momentum moving farther into negativity. He isn't trying to slow it down, he's speeding it up.

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12 pct. are behind on mortgage or in foreclosure

For this we continue to bail out banks with our tax money. And Obama keeps wanting to shell money out to them.

Why not shell the money out to the taxpayers or give tax holidays so that maybe people can catch up on a payment.

But we love to blame the people in these situations and not the ass wipes in Washington that keep giving the banks money while they foreclose, raise rates and fees and give big bonuses and parties.

Yeah, change is just another word for more of the same but under a different banner.

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filtherton

That's arguable.

What isn't arguable is the notion that the fact that things continue to get worse is proof that what Obama is doing is failing. It just isn't true.

Obama's plan might work, it might not. It is too soon to tell.

roachboy

well, pan, there is a vague space of agreement--i would prefer that obama advanced a more comprehensive plan that provided adequate information to back it up and a sequence of clear objectives linked to particular kinds of outcomes. but for that, he'd have to break entirely with the neoliberal past, and it's not clear that either the administration or--especially---the idiots in the mass media who, like it or not, still--somehow--are in a position to structure legitimate opinion (this in a sociological sense)--are ready to do that. what i've seen so far is mostly geared around trying to get things back to a sense of normal--but normal is already 30 years fucked up, so i don't see the point in doing that in principle. in pragmatic terms, which for better or worse we have to think in terms of, i don't see a real alternative IF you accept the idea that a central driver behind all that's been happening is panic. and panic appears to follow from folk having to think too much about the possibility that this, "the best of all possible worlds" is a Problem. so the administration has to play softball with folk. and it's doing it. i just don't think that's a good idea.

manufacturing for example--there's no way back from the just-in-time type system for the strata of corporate entities that have adopted it short of massive state funding for the transition. that ain't happening--so the alternative is seeding new manufacturing--which requires a plan. protective tariffs aren't going to do anything because in the present system "made in america" is functionally meaningless, except in the context of medium-to-small scale firms. there are alternatives--but they require a plan.

one thing the administration is starting to move toward that's maybe interesting is eliminating tax havens. an effect of this would be to slow down something of capital movements. the intent that's been stated is tax revenues, but the idea goes beyond that in principle. again, same problem. no plan really.

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pan6467

The problem with this statement is, how long do we wait? How many more bailouts do the hard working, overburdened, middle class have to pay for? How many more major companies are going to take billions in loans and then say, "oops we need to go bankrupt, thanks for the taxpayer money."?

Granted he inherited a mess but so far he just seems to want to make it worse. And blame Bush. True leaders do not blame they find ways to right things and work to make things better, I just don't see that from him..... yet.

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filtherton

So you think, like, 6 weeks is enough time to turn around decades of economic momentum?

I understand you don't like paying the salaries of rich failures. Nobody does. What does that have to do with the likelihood that Obama's stimulus plan will have a net positive impact on the economy?

I could see this being the case if Obama was using Bush as an excuse to not do anything. I don't see the problem in pointing out that the last guy might have played a role, or that the people who subscribe to the same failed economic philosophies as the last guy haven't realized that those economic philosophies have failed.

Despite however you want to classify "true leaders" (I'm continually impressed by the passion you commit to things which are completely arbitrary, and I mean that moderately as a compliment) true leaders lead. Effective leaders get shit done. Right now Obama is getting shit done. Right now Obama is leading most of the nation-- the rest of the nation seems to be being led by either Ron Paul or Rush Limbaugh (or Ramtha). Pick your poison, I guess.

pan6467

What plan $13/week???? A pork loaded bill that shows no true vision but to make some companies richer?


"I promise to veto pork if it comes across my desk."

"Ooo well that was Bush's agenda, I'll do it next year."

"I Promise to change the way we do business make it more open to the people to see."

"Read this bill in 48 hours, have no debate and don't release it to the public until after the vote."

"I'm going to raise taxes on tobacco until they are on the black market and/or people quit, thus nullifying that tax increase revenue and losing money because the revenue we do get from tobacco dried up, thus we'll have to tax coffee, soda, fast food anything we , the government deem unhealthy for you uneducated slobs trying to enjoy life."

"Don't smoke...... but we need you to to bail out the rich."

Talk about hypocrisy.

Really, what has he gotten done? Truly done to better this nation?

What is his plan? How many more billions do we have to give the rich and how much farther does the Dow need to collapse? How much farther is he going to go down a road that isn't working?

Great leaders surround themselves with great people, he hasn't.

Great leaders have true plans and ideas how to better the future. He doesn't.

Great leaders are open to debate and ridicule of the plans and ideas because they may see things they hadn't and make compromises (because great leaders know sometimes compromise works and is best for all) or they have great belief that what they are doing is the best plan and they can shoot down ridicule by proving it and being firm in belief. I don't see any of this from him or the Dem leadership in Congress. They try to scare people in their own party into silence, they want to keep going down a road that has been leading us to ruin and not change course.

Most of all great leaders don't lie, they inspire by stating the truths and as bad as the outlook may be they inspire hope and encourage all (even those who don't agree with them). He doesn't.

I am not led by Limbaugh, Ron Paul or anyone else, I actually think for myself. One very interesting thing I have found tho, is by not having a TV and not watching news, getting it from newspapers, the radio, internet and the like, I am not as liberal as I once was, I think more for myself and pay attention more. I am able to listen to friend's opinions more and have more respect for them, but am less persuaded by things (opinions) I know are wrong.

And to keep this mantra "we have been headed down this road for 30+ years", then let's look who was in power then... hmmm the Dems. (Personally, I believe it was more Reaganomics than anything else in government).

30+ years would also be when the Boomers started taking power also, but we won't go there right now.

These are very scary times and they are getting worse on a daily basis. He doesn't have the benefit of time to try things and see how they work, he better find ways that work immediately or we are just seeing the beginning of a very fast decline in life as we know it.

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filtherton

Pan, what is the proportion of pork to nonpork in this bill? Do you know? Have you read the bill? Or are you just regurgitating?

Even with the pork, did you know that the phrase "economic stimulus" actually means "spending money"? That's how you stimulate the economy. Pork or no.


Not sure what any of this has to do with anything. Maybe the first one has anything to do with Obama blaming Bush for his own inaction. Even then, I question your ability to accurately paraphrase.


It's been six weeks. Let's see: Appointing people to positions relevant to their knowledge and experience. An energy secretary who knows how energy is actually defined physically? OMG!!! He's drastically reducing troop levels in Iraq. He's got economic vision beyond "lower taxes" and "let them fail". I don't know that it makes sense to list more, because I don't think you're really all that interested in hearing about them.

You don't know his plan? Why are you so passionately complaining about it then? What do you expect him to do, go down to Wall Street and force people to buy stock? You're ridiculous.

I'm glad to see that to go along with your arbitrarily definition of what it means to be a great leader you've decide to arbitrarily interpret reality to mean whatever the hell you want.

Good for you.

roachboy

or you could think this out, pan.
it's entirely possible that the way of life that was fashioned under the rickety, cheap umbrella of american empire dressed up as globalization is over. it is entirely possible that the consequences of free marketeer ideology are catching up with the people who were primarily affected by it here--regular working folk--when production mutated and labor became a variable cost and people persuaded themselves that the movement of capital creates wealth and the firms have no particular responsibility to anyone or anything but profit---there were consequences. the scary thing is that there are no easy or obvious answers to this--but the fact is that all this is a direct consequence of 30 years of neoliberal ideological domination in the states. and this is not a mantra--it is a fact, like it or not.

and so it no longer matters what folk think of leadership in the old mode.
it no longer matters what free marketeers think.

this is the start of a long, strange process of the type that does not play well on television and is not amenable to easy snap judgments. the problem this creates is that to address it you cannot rely on prefabricated talking head opinion. but you'll figure that out.

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mixedmedia

Bingo. Wake up and smell the coffee, folks. We're not in Kansas anymore. Moe, Curly and Larry have jumped the ship.

Frame it as the consequences of the last 8 years, the last 8 weeks or the last 8 seconds, but those lazy, crazy, hazy days of summer are over. A better idea than sitting around arguing about the Obama administration's excruciatingly protracted first 8 weeks in office is to go out and learn Chinese or Hindi.

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Marvelous Marv

Not a bad idea. It is not lost upon the thinking person that Obama's rush to enact "stimuli" is based not on the urgency of the situation, but on the need to pass these travesties before Congress and the public can read what is being proposed.

Huge problem #1: We will never, ever, get rid of "universal health care," no matter how shitty it is (and it will be) once it's put in place. The damage will be enacted upon all future generations.

Huge problem #2: Obama wants to structure income taxes to have 50% of the people pay no taxes. In one piece of legislation, unless he is stopped, he will create a permanent voting majority of people who have no interest in controlling the expansion of government, nor in limiting tax increases.

Massive numbers of tax refugees will leave this country--educated immigrants already are. This, together with offshoring made more and more attractive by the proposed tax environment, is having a very predictable effect. And people on this forum wonder why they can't find jobs.


Obama may or may not be an evil man, but his ideas are evil. If you voted for him, don't complain when you have no job.

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dippin

Please, show me where this has been said or expressed. Any evidence of it will suffice.



Educated immigrants are already leaving this country because the Bush administration has made things seriously harder for legal immigrants. I know, I am one. The idea that educated immigrants are leaving the US because of tax issues is ludicrous.

mixedmedia

I object to my post being used to frame this bullshit. That was uncalled for.

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Tully Mars

Opinions and assholes, everyones got one.

I'd object if I were you also.

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roachboy

nice to see a continued churn through here of rightwing talking points of the moment. not a single autonomous idea, not a single autonomous argument--everything everything culled from the conservative talking heads on cnn or the conservative talking heads on cnbc or the conservative talking heads on faux news.

get a grip folks.
try thinking for yourselves.

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robot_parade

But...Rush says only lieberals think for themselves...

flstf

Another promise broken, signing a bill with about 8500 earmarks in it. Wasn't it just a few months ago Obama promised to never do this?

Derwood

he's the first President in history to break a promise. clearly the time to impeach is now

aceventura3

It is getting far to easy to point out the inconsistencies and critiques of the Obama Presidency along with the Democratic Party control of Congress. But I am curious.
Do Obama supporters actually see these issues and are simply making a choice to ignoring them?
Are Obama supporters getting concerned about what going on in Washington?
Are you disappointed in any way?
How is it that about 53% of the people according to Rasmussen ( Rasmussen Reports: The Most Comprehensive Public Opinion Data Anywhere ) think we are going into a depression similar to 1930, but 62% approve of Obama's performance according to Gallup ( Gallup.Com - Daily News, Polls, Public Opinion on Government, Politics, Economics, Management )?

More and more I am becoming a spectator with jawdropping amazement.

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Derwood

I don't ignore what's going on. I don't agree with everything he does by any stretch.

That said, I feel like every waking moment of Obama's presidency has been dissected and criticized so far and it's growing really, really tiresome.

roachboy

there was some pseudo-discussion of this on one or another of the cable "news" outlets this past week--the argument was that this budget was negociated this past fall, which explains the earmarking. the claim that accompanied it was that there would be no such earmarks on next years budget, which would be negociated under the present administration.

it's obvious that thinking all the way back to, say, september is alot to ask of conservatives, who seem to confuse slicing time into narrow slivers and then yelling about "inconsistencies" that result from their slicing of time into little slivers with meaningful critique.

but it doesn't matter: the right is so mired in a brand identity problem that they're functionally irrelevant. and even if that were not the case, the ENTIRETY of this economic fiasco originated with them--neoliberalism since reagan, 30 years of conservative control---no wonder they have a Problem with thinking in more than tiny slivers of time.

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YaWhateva

Maybe it's because most people realize that the mess we are in didn't start on 1/20/09 but many, many years before that.

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ratbastid

I find it much more troubling that "conservatives" are now pulling their "conservative" heads out of their "conservative" asses and criticizing something. Where the FUCK were these people (including several MAJOR Bush-apologists right here on TFP) for the last eight years???

Congratulations on having a Democrat patsy to blame everything on. That must feel good. Sorry about your party being in shambles, but at least you've got a place to point your finger so you can keep it pointed away from yourself.

flstf

Just because I am disappointed in his breaking of campaign promises is no reason to jump to talk of impeachment. I voted for him and really wanted him to bring change to Washington. It is very sad that he is performing like business as usual. This has nothing to do with partisan politics.

I suspect many of his supporters would also be in favor of him vetoing this bill.

Derwood

From what I understand, the budget bill was structured under the previous Congress, and as such, Obama has allowed it to be voted on "as is". We'll see if he keeps his promise of no earmarks on next year's budget

roachboy

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/12/us...rmarks.html?hp

from the ny times this afternoon, obama on the earmark question. it's basically the same argument that i cited above.
this bit of reality will no doubt have no effect on the right.

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FuglyStick

I am baffled by people who expect a magic wand to fix the failed strategy of Reaganomics and "trickle down." Obama has been in office less than 60 days, and some nuts are calling for his head because he can't snap his fingers and erase the last 30 years? I never heard Obama say the fix would be easy or instant. Republicans are the only ones imposing such unrealistic expectations, and only in an attempt to discredit Obama.

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Tully Mars

Ditto.

Hey we did the borrow and spend thing and cut tax and spend for the past and eight years and things didn't work out so well. We'd now like to express our sincere hatred of spending. Seriously who buys that crap load?

I watched one show the other day where some jack-ass detailed that since Obama began running for POTUS the market down huge. Like his running for the office caused the markets to crash. Yeah, that makes sense. I think he may have also been the second shooter on the grassy knoll too.

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aceventura3

All it takes is a search.

Unless you are excluding me, your search of my posts will show I strongly supported the administration's foreign policy, the war, Bush's straight talk and my defense of his intellect. When it came to fiscal policy, other than tax cuts, I was not in support of all of his spending initiatives or those acted on by Republicans in Congress. When it came to issues like executive power I was very clear on my positions, indicating that Bush was basically giving Congress the finger. When it came to issues like the Valerie Plame issue, I clearly acknowledged that I thought the Bush administration had an agenda with Plame. When it came to issues like the intel used for war, I clearly stated that Bush "sold" his case for war, and that anyone who supported the war based on his speeches, or his people on talk shows, either did not do their homework or are foolish. On issues the the "politicization" of the AG office, my position was that the AG office has always been political and used by the office of the President for his agenda.

I think there is a big difference between what you will find in my posts relative to those who post in support of Obama.

After 8 years of having Bush blamed for everything, I find it refreshing to blame Obama. But, unfortunatly Obama is not making it interesting - it is too easy. Just like the fact that he is sending his daughters to a private school in Washington but now is denying that privilege to underprivileged but high performing students in the DC school system. It is unbelievable, simple unbelievable. But what is worse, is how Obama supporters ignore this or try to rationalize it.

I have not always been a Republican. I was once a Democrat, a Libertarian, I once voted for Ross Perot and when Reagan ran, I actually voted for John Anderson. I thought the Republican Party reached a low point during the impeachment of Clinton. My loyalty is more to what I believe than to a political party. I did not support John McCain at all.

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flstf

I think the following statement is probably close to the truth:
If he is not willing to take on Congress now with his popularity so high I don't hold out much hope he will be willing to tackle them later when his popularity is lower.

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roachboy

that's nice, ace. but none of it stops you from being like a repetition machine when it comes to conservative talking points of the moment. and the "criticisms" coming from the right are transparently about a desperate attempt to salvage their brand and not much at all about coherence...particularly when you start factoring in that old "personal responsibility" nonsense that the right was once on about endlessly (when it applied to people not on the right of course)--you absolutely refuse to acknowledge the obvious in the simple fact that your economic and political views are largely responsible for the disaster that's being visited upon all of us.

but i've long since given up on expecting anything but such inconsistent self-righteous nonsense from conservatives.

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fistf: we'll have to wait and see. i don't think that the motivations for not taking on congress over the budget which was negociated last fall as are you state them, nor do i think that the next budget will be subject to the considerations you claim--but on the second point, time will tell.

there's surely no basis for saying more than that now.

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