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Poppinjay · 10-22-2008, 08:45 AM

No Cavalry Coming for McCain

This may be the death knell for McCain. And he actually caused it himself. Turns out conservatives just don't care for McCain.

Unless, of course, he "borrows" some beer money.

dc_dux · 10-22-2008, 08:58 AM

Even the Russians said nyet! (yes, it was an inadvertant mistake by the McCain campaign..I assume)

Quote:

The Russians have turned down John McCain's request for campaign money — and had a bit of a laugh at his expense.

Their public snub is a comeback to the Republican candidate's increasingly tough stance against Russia.

Russia's ambassador to the United Nations, Vitaly Churkin, received a fundraising appeal from the Republican presidential nominee Thursday, spokesman Ruslan Bakhtin said.

"Dear Friend," begins the 6-page letter to Churkin, asking for up to $5,000 to defeat Sen. Barack Obama and help McCain "promote freedom and democracy throughout the world," according to a copy of the letter provided to The Associated Press by the Russian mission....

...The McCain campaign's fundraising letter, dated Sept. 29, did not use Churkin's formal title. That led Churkin to conclude the request stemmed from "a computer failure" by McCain's campaign, Bakhtin said.

"It's evident that it was a mistake. It happens," said Bakhtin, who said the diplomats were entertained by the mixup. "Normally, they don't circulate these kinds of letters to diplomatic posts."

Bakhtin emphasized that the "Russian authorities are in no way engaged in funding political campaigns or political activities abroad."

He said the mission had not sent any direct reply to the McCain campaign.

Brian Rogers, a spokesman for the campaign, said he was unable to pinpoint what caused the blunder.

"It sounds like they might have been sent to the wrong place. We obviously don't solicit campaign contributions from people who aren't able to contribute," he said.

Russians say 'nyet' to McCain fundraising appeal - Yahoo! News

Glory's Sun · 10-22-2008, 09:12 AM

no real surprise here..

I guess Limbaugh is too busy buying pallet fulls of oxycontin instead of paying for his rhetoric to help the McCain campaign.

I don't think this is really the death knell.. it's close, but he's not out yet. I actually think that when the voting actually occurs it will be closer than anticipated. It won't be an LBJ landslide.

Poppinjay · 10-22-2008, 09:27 AM

I think probably McCain/Palin could go into hiding until 11/4 and suffer no losses in votes. In fact, that's probably a good idea.

Glory's Sun · 10-22-2008, 09:50 AM

what I've seen is Palin trying to damage control.. her apology on CNN and other interviews..

the SNL thing.. she's probably too dumb to realize they were still making fun of her.

It's funny how in the gubanatorial races here, alot of the candidates are following the lead of the main campaign ads. The republicans have tried to go more positive and yet right behind it is a mud slinging ad, while the democrats are associating every republican with Bush.

aceventura3 · 10-22-2008, 11:54 AM

Are you folks concerned that Obama may lose? Early on pundits projected the Democratic nominee had an advantage going into this election given Bush's poor approval ratings, the war and what happened in the 2006 Congressional elections. Then, when Obama won the nomination he got record numbers of people involved in his campaign who normally are apathetic. And, finally the icing on the cake being our "economic crisis" the worst since the depression according to Obama - which is the fault of Bush and of course McCain who will continue the "failed" Bush policies. I predicted an Obama win of 10%-15% months ago, I did question my prediction after the Palin pick, but she is not enough to make a difference. And, many say she is hurting McCain now. So the "death knell" for McCain rang a long, long time ago, and it seems like people ring it over and over every day. So what's the deal, has Obama locked this up or what?

Glory's Sun · 10-22-2008, 11:58 AM

ace, you can never say anything is locked up until you see the final tally.

simply put, you never know when a person can make a comeback charge. the OP is just noting that it is doubtful that can happen with the lack of funds.

dc_dux · 10-22-2008, 12:13 PM

ace...it wont be over til the lady w/the $150,000 wardrobe and makeover sings....

and slithers back to the outer bounds of the US where she can go back to looking at Russia...from the hot tub she installed with tax payer money.

aceventura3 · 10-22-2008, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guccilvr

ace, you can never say anything is locked up until you see the final tally.

simply put, you never know when a person can make a comeback charge. the OP is just noting that it is doubtful that can happen with the lack of funds.

Given McCain's lack of funds, Obama's available funds and everything else in Obama's favor, I am surprised about the level of concern. However, I don't think money will have an impact on this election. McCain's only hope is if Obama makes a major error. Now that many polls have Obama over 50% nationally and in many of the key states won by Bush, Obama will be the next President. At this point I do not think opinions about the candidates will change, do you? If so, why would opinions change?

Glory's Sun · 10-22-2008, 12:57 PM

no I don't think opinions will change, but I'm wary of poll data. For one, can you really depend on a youth vote? doubtful. Can you really depend on the race polls? Doubtful. I'd say that a lot of people who claim race isn't an issue with a pollster, will in fact, have it in their minds when they are behind a curtain.. sad.. but true.

It's doubtful that McCain will win.. but it's also stupid to become cocky about the person who is in the lead according to poll data. I think another reason for the concern is the fact that we saw what happened in the 2000 election. People are genuinely scared something similar could happen.. although the campaigns are completely different.

:shrug:

filtherton · 10-22-2008, 01:06 PM

As a fan of the Minnesota Vikings, I know that one should never assume victory, no matter how far ahead the team is.

aceventura3 · 10-22-2008, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guccilvr

no I don't think opinions will change, but I'm wary of poll data. For one, can you really depend on a youth vote? doubtful. Can you really depend on the race polls? Doubtful. I'd say that a lot of people who claim race isn't an issue with a pollster, will in fact, have it in their minds when they are behind a curtain.. sad.. but true.

If you are talking about the Bradley Effect, that is something I don't understand. Why would a person lie about plans to vote for a black man to an anonymous pollster? If a person is a racist they can easily say they are voting for McCain when asked with no repercussions.

ratbastid · 10-22-2008, 07:24 PM

Here's the problem, for the Obama campaign. It can't LOOK like it's a done deal. The impression that it's a done deal will significantly cut into voter turnout, and they're depending on voter turnout. It seems to be the case that the bigger a sampling of American the popular vote is, the further toward the Democrats it goes. So Dems want more people voting, and GOP want fewer.

Obama has to keep the story "we're ahead but it's no sure thing; we still need each and every vote." It also happens to be the factual truth, of course...

Poppinjay · 10-23-2008, 02:23 AM

I have a feeling that turnout will be the chief topic of his infomercial.

This is the reason contests are always closer than the polls show when it appears one candidate is far ahead. People think it's a done deal, so they stay home. This is especially true of young voters.

Glory's Sun · 10-23-2008, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aceventura3

If you are talking about the Bradley Effect, that is something I don't understand. Why would a person lie about plans to vote for a black man to an anonymous pollster? If a person is a racist they can easily say they are voting for McCain when asked with no repercussions.

this is a true thing. there are plenty of people here who say they won't vote for him because he's an Arab or a Nigger. It's how they put it. It's sad but true. Those are the ones we know. There are alot of people who don't want to be labeled as a racist so when confronted about the race card they will respond that it doesn't have a bearing in their decision.. but things change when the curtain is pulled and noone is watching or asking questions.. it comes to the forefront.

and Ratbastid hit the nail on the head..

10-22-2008, 08:45 AM	#1 (permalink)
Poppinjay You had me at hello Location: DC/Coastal VA	No Loan Arranger Will Ride To McCain's Rescue No Cavalry Coming for McCain This may be the death knell for McCain. And he actually caused it himself. Turns out conservatives just don't care for McCain. Unless, of course, he "borrows" some beer money. __________________ I think the Apocalypse is happening all around us. We go on eating desserts and watching TV. I know I do. I wish we were more capable of sustained passion and sustained resistance. We should be screaming and what we do is gossip. -Lydia Millet

10-22-2008, 09:27 AM	#4 (permalink)
Poppinjay You had me at hello Location: DC/Coastal VA	I think probably McCain/Palin could go into hiding until 11/4 and suffer no losses in votes. In fact, that's probably a good idea. __________________ I think the Apocalypse is happening all around us. We go on eating desserts and watching TV. I know I do. I wish we were more capable of sustained passion and sustained resistance. We should be screaming and what we do is gossip. -Lydia Millet

10-22-2008, 11:54 AM	#6 (permalink)
aceventura3 Junkie Location: Ventura County	Are you folks concerned that Obama may lose? Early on pundits projected the Democratic nominee had an advantage going into this election given Bush's poor approval ratings, the war and what happened in the 2006 Congressional elections. Then, when Obama won the nomination he got record numbers of people involved in his campaign who normally are apathetic. And, finally the icing on the cake being our "economic crisis" the worst since the depression according to Obama - which is the fault of Bush and of course McCain who will continue the "failed" Bush policies. I predicted an Obama win of 10%-15% months ago, I did question my prediction after the Palin pick, but she is not enough to make a difference. And, many say she is hurting McCain now. So the "death knell" for McCain rang a long, long time ago, and it seems like people ring it over and over every day. So what's the deal, has Obama locked this up or what? __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch." "It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions on vegetarianism while the wolf is of a different opinion." "If you live among wolves you have to act like one." "A lady screams at the mouse but smiles at the wolf. A gentleman is a wolf who sends flowers."

10-22-2008, 12:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
dc_dux Location: Washington DC	ace...it wont be over til the lady w/the $150,000 wardrobe and makeover sings.... and slithers back to the outer bounds of the US where she can go back to looking at Russia...from the hot tub she installed with tax payer money. __________________ "The perfect is the enemy of the good." ~ Voltaire

10-23-2008, 02:23 AM	#14 (permalink)
Poppinjay You had me at hello Location: DC/Coastal VA	I have a feeling that turnout will be the chief topic of his infomercial. This is the reason contests are always closer than the polls show when it appears one candidate is far ahead. People think it's a done deal, so they stay home. This is especially true of young voters. __________________ I think the Apocalypse is happening all around us. We go on eating desserts and watching TV. I know I do. I wish we were more capable of sustained passion and sustained resistance. We should be screaming and what we do is gossip. -Lydia Millet

10-22-2008, 09:12 AM	#3 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	no real surprise here.. I guess Limbaugh is too busy buying pallet fulls of oxycontin instead of paying for his rhetoric to help the McCain campaign. I don't think this is really the death knell.. it's close, but he's not out yet. I actually think that when the voting actually occurs it will be closer than anticipated. It won't be an LBJ landslide.

10-22-2008, 09:50 AM	#5 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	what I've seen is Palin trying to damage control.. her apology on CNN and other interviews.. the SNL thing.. she's probably too dumb to realize they were still making fun of her. It's funny how in the gubanatorial races here, alot of the candidates are following the lead of the main campaign ads. The republicans have tried to go more positive and yet right behind it is a mud slinging ad, while the democrats are associating every republican with Bush.

10-22-2008, 11:58 AM	#7 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	ace, you can never say anything is locked up until you see the final tally. simply put, you never know when a person can make a comeback charge. the OP is just noting that it is doubtful that can happen with the lack of funds.

10-22-2008, 12:57 PM	#10 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	no I don't think opinions will change, but I'm wary of poll data. For one, can you really depend on a youth vote? doubtful. Can you really depend on the race polls? Doubtful. I'd say that a lot of people who claim race isn't an issue with a pollster, will in fact, have it in their minds when they are behind a curtain.. sad.. but true. It's doubtful that McCain will win.. but it's also stupid to become cocky about the person who is in the lead according to poll data. I think another reason for the concern is the fact that we saw what happened in the 2000 election. People are genuinely scared something similar could happen.. although the campaigns are completely different. :shrug:

10-22-2008, 01:06 PM	#11 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	As a fan of the Minnesota Vikings, I know that one should never assume victory, no matter how far ahead the team is.

10-22-2008, 07:24 PM	#13 (permalink)
ratbastid Darth Papa Location: Yonder	Here's the problem, for the Obama campaign. It can't LOOK like it's a done deal. The impression that it's a done deal will significantly cut into voter turnout, and they're depending on voter turnout. It seems to be the case that the bigger a sampling of American the popular vote is, the further toward the Democrats it goes. So Dems want more people voting, and GOP want fewer. Obama has to keep the story "we're ahead but it's no sure thing; we still need each and every vote." It also happens to be the factual truth, of course...