telekinetic

I'm surprised this thread wasn't created with the subforum. Who has your vote?

Jozrael

I'm currently voting for Obama, but I'm keeping my mind open. I don't -expect- it to change, but the possibility is always there.

Willravel

Senator Obama has my vote, but to be honest it's more like Senator McCain doesn't have my vote.

Herk

If only I could pick Obama with the guarantee that he'd pick Ron Paul as the Secretary of the Treasury.

@Will - Yeah that really helps push into Obama's corner.

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Jozrael

Wow. I had no idea TFP was so firmly liberal. Honestly, I find myself leaning more democratic on many issues not relating to money, but I thought myself an independent that would vote either way in an election.

Poppinjay

Begrudgingly, Obama. McCain could have had me if he hadn't decided to make friends with the religio-insane people like Pat Robertson.

The thing that gets me about Obama is his plan to use the war money for education. There is no war money.

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ottopilot

Well... I'm not for Obama.

Will, how do we get along so well while maintaining such polar political views? Beer and turning wrenches (among other things) must be the true binding social element of the universe.

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Willravel

They're the binding elements of our gender, that's for sure. Also, the boat can't hurt.

ottopilot

ya... das boot

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khe1138

Nader has my vote. I'm sorry, but our political system needs serious change, and corporate controlled democrats and republicans won't do it.

laconic1

A couple of the Democrat Congressional candidates around here are using that same line about using the money saved on the war to pay for all their pet projects. You're absolutely right though, there is no war money, it is all deficit spending. Me personally, I'm leaning towards Bob Barr but am still undecided.

jewels

Obama-Biden, without a doubt.

It's time to kick the trash to the curb and start clean and fresh. Let's see where educated idealism can take us. It's got to be better than this.

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khe1138

Politically, my views are very close to Barr's, but he really doesn't have the name or backing to be elected. On the other hand, if Nader was let into the debate (which is controlled by democrats and republicans), he would have a very good chance of winning.

snowy

Obama-Biden here. I'm sure that's not much of a shocker to anyone.

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anti fishstick

I'm voting for Obama. Us oregoonies are certainly liberal

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telekinetic

There's a chance he could 'win' the debate...there is not a chance that he could win the election. Sad but true.

khe1138

Yeah, they also said Jesse Ventura would never become governor of Minnesota. Nader has done alot that the people agree with. If it wasn't for the media blackout of his campaign, he would probably be leading in most polls right now.

hannukah harry

i think, at least nationally, party identification trumps actual accomplishment/past waaaay too much for nader or any third party cadidate to have a shot. maybe take 1 state if they're lucky, but that's probably a long shot too.

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asaris

It's Nader's third election since 2000. He had no chance of winning in 2000, and did badly. He did even less well in 2004. What makes you think that this is suddenly his year?

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ngdawg

Cynthia Ann McKinney.

This two-party elitism is sending this country right into the crapper...

Tully Mars

I'm voting for Obama, just can't throw my vote away this time.

But God I think you're onto to something. I keep hearing "The Who" in my head... "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..."

My problem, right now, is the Palin-McCain ticket scares the living crap out of me.

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jorgelito

Hell yeah, TFP is hard left. I am one of maybe 4 or 5 conservatives here (but I'm actually moderate, it's the extreme left here that make me seem so conservative).

I am undecided, independent, swing voter. But I am leaning towards Obama (just look at my avatar, bonus points to those who get it). I am only undecided because I want the Dems to work harder at earning my vote and to give McCain an outside chance of earning it back.

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ASU2003

She's in the lead with me right now. Nader is in second and Obama is close behind in third. McCain is in forth, but could move up if he comes back to the center. And yes, she is a little wild, but I vote for what the person will do instead of their past. Then again, writing in Ron Paul wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities either.

(I like how Cynthia said she would step in and debate Obama if McCain couldn't make it. That would be great.)

I'll be fine if either Obama or McCain win, and really, there will just be gridlock and politics as usual if either are picked. I would rather have liberal supreme court justices or ones that wouldn't impose their religious morals on the people.

Makedde

I not from the US, but if I were, I vote would be for Obama/Biden.

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telekinetic

Something about a message board with a subforum where it is acceptable (and encouraged!) for the owner to post pics of his third leg seems to attract a more liberal segment of society. Go figure.

Glory's Sun

I'm voting democrat really for one reason in this election and that is while it's a bit scary to have a house,senate and presidency all controlled by one party (we've seen where that gets us) the Dems record on Fiscal Responsibility is just heads and shoulders above the Republicans.

However, I will agree that I am and have been sick of all this two party elitism shit.

ottopilot

Yes, the reigning leadership of House Financial Services Committee chairman Barney Frank, D-Mass., and Senate Banking chairman Christopher Dodd, D-Conn. have both demonstrated stellar qualities... of incompetency. Along with the personal troubles of House Ways & Means Committee chairman, Charles Rangel, D-NY, I'd say the democrats have proven to be just as irresponsible as the president on these matters. I'm not feeling so warm and fuzzy with Obama's "hands-off" approach either. All one party governance is a BAD IDEA.

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Jozrael

I'll take it over a heaping helping of McCain-Palin anyday.

Glory's Sun

Which makes it even more appalling that the Dems Record is still head's and shoulders above the Republicans in this area. You can look at the current crop of Dems and use their small sample of records but when you look at it as a whole there is simply no comparison. Even in the days of Carter, the economic records are leaps and bounds above the republican party.

One party governance is a bad idea, however if I had to choice one party to have complete control I would still choose the Dems in this election.

Fotzlid

Since it doesn't really matter which one wins as the country is run by mega-corporations, lobbyists and the filthy rich, I am leaning towards McCain-Palin if for no other reason than I find it amusing how apoplectic the liberals are over Palin.

telekinetic

Ah yes, rooting for the leader of the free world based on schadenfreude...what a time we live in.

Fotzlid

Tongue-in-cheek does loose something in forums.

Obama has been talking about change. Change. Change. Change. Beating us over the head with it. Then what does he do? Picks the prototypical Washington insider for a running mate. Thats not change. Its Bush/Cheney for the Democrats. Obama has little experience on the world stage, much like Bush when he first got into office. Biden will be calling the shots behind the scenes much like Cheney has been doing for the past 8 years.

I was heavily leaning towards Obama till he picked Biden as a running mate. Now I'm not saying McCain is some fresh faced kid new to town. He is as much of an insider as Biden but at least he was looking outside the beltway in trying to find some new blood. Plus he has stated he plans on putting some democrats on his cabinet if elected. That, to me at least, represents an attempt to affect change.

I'm not naive enough to believe the change is going to be drastic, I'd be suprised if it makes it past perceptible, but at least its something of a start.

The only way the people are going to get back control of the government is by getting rid of the majority of the people running it now otherwise the only thing that will change is the capital letters in parenthesis after the names of the people indicted in the latest government scandal.

Thats my opinion anyway...

connyosis

My wife is voting for Obama/Biden. Not from the US myself, but Obama would have my vote if I could vote.

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mcgeedo

"If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. "

I love the quote!

jorgelito

Haha, touche!

But then again, one of our most conservative members on this forum was a swinger. Go figure...

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Skutch

I will be voting for Barack Obama because I think he is the right man for the right job at the right time. In my view, the Republicans have had nothing to offer this country for the last 55 years, since Eisenhower.

Tully Mars

Remember when candidates would have a big R of D next to their name in all their ads?

I can't remember the last time I saw an ad with one of those letters. I get locals network feeds from about 10 US cities. I see ads for everything for the Senate to Governor, unless I Google them I have no idea what party they're with. "Hi my name is Sam Sameshitdifferentname, I believe in blah, blah ,blah.... Please vote for me."

Either they passed a law making it illegal to let people know what party you're with or the people running now days don't want to even be associated with their own party.

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ngdawg

My feeling is the more people that actually vote for those they like instead of voting for elitist party heads, the less there would be the thought that votes are being "thrown away". The only truly thrown away vote is the one not made.
I refuse to fall for the propaganda that these elections spew. Independent-minded candidates are completely blacked out of the process, even though they need a certain amount of petitioned backers to get on the ballot. Why, once they are on it, are they completely excluded?
If there are others running, they should be given the chance to be heard and included in debates, etc.
Everyone talks about change, but does the same old thing....like that adage, what's the definition of futile? Doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result each time....

Jozrael

Actually that would be Einstein's definition of insanity.

ngdawg

I stand corrected(sit slouched over), but it's still nuts to expect true change when fed the same shit day after day after day.....