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Jozrael · 09-26-2008, 07:32 PM

I totally agree with you. Hence why I'm voting Dem. I would vote for a lesser party but I don't think they've really got a chance :\

ngdawg · 09-26-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jozrael

I totally agree with you. Hence why I'm voting Dem. I would vote for a lesser party but I don't think they've really got a chance :

So you only side with winners instead of conscience?
I'm not the dullest pencil in the backpack, but I really don't get this thought process....
Six months from now, whoever is in, there will be whining and the only defense is "well, I didn't think [insert name here] would be any better..."?
Exercising the right to vote doesn't mean you go with who you "think" has a chance, it means having a say, even a tiny one, about who you think "should" be there. They lost? Yea, but look how many rejected the crap thrown to us.
The big ones can spout "change" all they want but we as a nation won't really see any unless we as a nation make it happen.

Bear Cub · 09-26-2008, 08:09 PM

Voting for the MILF and the Maverick.

While I'm a social liberal, I take a conservative stance on foreign and economic policy. I don't see abortion rights going anywhere in four years time with McCain, but I can see military action and my federal income tax rates going to hell with Obama in there.

archetypal fool · 09-27-2008, 04:55 AM

It's terrible about the idea that a vote for any 3rd party is considered a vote "thrown away", but it's a sad fact nonetheless. It's the media. It's the hard-wired partisanship of the majority of the voting populace. These 3rd party members aren't allowed in the debates... they have virtually no campaign presence on any media (save for the internet, of course)... And this has lead to stagnation in both of the majority parties - and by extension, stagnation in the US.

Anyways, back on topic... while I'm not "pro" Obama by any means, if there's one thing I'm absolutely certain about in this election, it's that McCain can't be trusted. At all. At least for me. He's a liar (or at the very least, very forgetful) with his nearly constant flip-flopping, and all of his distorted ads; a creationist, and thus an idiot of true form; a Bush supporter (add another mark to "idiot"); a proponent of meaningless wars and hard-headed politics; the disgusting "Keating 5" mess; and he's doing a great job of showing how incompetent he is with the whole Palin fiasco. I have less than no confidence in this man, and so I'll vote for Obama to keep him out of our White House.

asaris · 09-27-2008, 05:18 AM

Bear Cub -- on abortion rights, you realize that the next president will probably be appointing two, perhaps more, Supreme Court Justices, right?

Tully Mars · 09-27-2008, 05:51 AM

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Bear Cub -- on abortion rights, you realize that the next president will probably be appointing two, perhaps more, Supreme Court Justices, right?

Yep, at least one and McCains stance on fiscal issues mirror those of Bush Jr. Not sure that's worked out so well. Spending, borrowing and cutting taxes have left us with a mess. McCain big proposal so far seems to be end ear marks and balance the budget. That won't even put a dent in the budget deficit. On foreign policy McCain's position seems more then a little dangerous. We can't use the military for every problem. And the mere fact he picked Palin as his number two tells me he really doesn't care about anything but winning. She doesn't have a clue on foreign policy. Her only benefits to the ticket is to rally the religious right's base.

hawtdog · 09-28-2008, 09:00 PM

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Obama-Biden, without a doubt.

It's time to kick the trash to the curb and start clean and fresh. Let's see where educated idealism can take us. It's got to be better than this.

Well it doesn't 'have' to be better than this. Educated idealism is what lead to Stalin and Hitler. Hayek's The Road to Serfdom nicely illustrates how the "educated idealism" of the Germans led to the socialist policies that wrecked most of the world and took away most people genuine freedoms.

(Oh, and please note I'm not comparing Obama to Hitler or Stalin, just saying that change for the sake of change hasn't always worked out very well.)

guyy · 09-29-2008, 12:42 AM

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Well it doesn't 'have' to be better than this.

Easy for you to say. Tell that to someone without insurance, who has lost a home, who had a child die in a senseless war fought under false pretences.

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Educated idealism is what lead to Stalin and Hitler. Hayek's The Road to Serfdom nicely illustrates how the "educated idealism" of the Germans led to the socialist policies that wrecked most of the world and took away most people genuine freedoms.

Who was in charge in Nazi Germany? Workers? I didn't think so. Was Stalin in charge in the Soviet Union, or workers? Where was the socialism?

As one of the theoretical forebearers of Reaganism, we have Hayek to thank for the huge fucking mess we're in now. Take a look at this little Hayek-inspired gem from the Cato crowd:

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Glass-Steagall is a six-decade-old plan, which still blocks competitive adaptation and responses to clients' needs. The good news is that Glass- Steagall reform is afoot. The bad news is that the process is driven, at least in part, by those who cannot let go of the planning idea. What is needed is a Hayekian vision of competition in financial services. Otherwise, we may end up tinkering with the titles of Glass-Steagall without addressing the bill's inner contradictions.

The Meaning of Hayek

Putting aside the issue of market fundamentalism, the Road to Serfdom was to become Cold War propaganda eagerly spread by Readers Digest, GM, & the University of Chicago. It therefore contributing greatly to Unfreedom by providing the grounding legitimation for Cold War repression. What freedoms you now enjoy are products of resistance to that regime. I don't recall whether Hayek ever answered to this. I suspect that he would have said that McCarthyism was a temporary expedient, a state of exception, a necessary evil -- which was more or less the way he dealt with right wing dictatorships like Pinochet's. That's also how today's laissez-faire capitalists explain away your civil rights.

Thanks, Freddy, you were really full of shit.

Jaegyr · 09-30-2008, 12:21 AM

Wow the TFP is incredibly liberal, Here in Central Oregon we are a little more conservative then the Valleyites. Firmly Mccain/Palin

Tully Mars · 09-30-2008, 03:53 AM

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Wow the TFP is incredibly liberal, Here in Central Oregon we are a little more conservative then the Valleyites. Firmly Mccain/Palin

Surprised you didn't use the term "flatlanders."

And yes, TFP leans left.

ottopilot · 09-30-2008, 07:58 AM

I'm changing my vote to the Dear Leader!

Change We Need.

YaWhateva · 09-30-2008, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Herk

If only I could pick Obama with the guarantee that he'd pick Ron Paul as the Secretary of the Treasury.

Obama/Biden but I also wish Ron Paul could be Secretary of Treasury.

ottopilot · 10-10-2008, 05:36 PM

I have made the correct conversion. I now only serve "the one".

Glad Hosannas! The Messiah is speaking to the youth.
Rejoice comrades, for the dawn of a new world order is upon us!

dc_dux · 10-10-2008, 08:07 PM

Otto....you're turning against the ticket whose VP candidate has been protected from witchcraft and blessed in the name of Jesus to serve HIM in her political career?

YouTube - Sarah Palin, Thomas Muthee and witchcraft

"....bring finances her way even for the campaign in the name of Jesus... Use her to turn this nation the other way around and to keep her safe from every form of witchcraft."

Oh man.....a curse on you by Rev Muthee! When he is not blessing righteous christian politicians, he is persecuting non-believers as witches.
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Evidently, it didnt protect her from the bi-partisan Alaska legislative committee investigating violations of ethics and abuse of power:

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Sarah Palin unlawfully abused her power as governor by trying to have her former brother-in-law fired as a state trooper, the chief investigator of an Alaska legislative panel concluded Friday. The politically charged inquiry imperiled her reputation as a reformer on John McCain's Republican ticket.

Investigator Stephen Branchflower, in a report to a bipartisan panel that looked into the matter, found Palin in violation of a state ethics law that prohibits public officials from using their office for personal gain.

The inquiry looked into her dismissal of Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan, who said he lost his job because he resisted pressure to fire a state trooper involved in a bitter divorce and custody battle with the governor's sister. Palin says Monegan was fired as part of a legitimate budget dispute.

Monegan's firing was lawful, the report found, but Palin let the family grudge influence her decision-making — even if it was not the sole reason Monegan was dismissed.

"I feel vindicated," Monegan said. "It sounds like they've validated my belief and opinions. And that tells me I'm not totally out in left field."

Branchflower said Palin violated a statute of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act. Lawmakers don't have the authority to sanction her for such a violation, and they gave no indication they would take any action against her.

Under Alaska law, it is up to the state's Personnel Board — which is conducting its own investigation into the matter — to decide whether Palin violated state law and, if so, must refer it to the Senate president for disciplinary action. Violations also carry a possible fine of up to $5,000.

Alaska panel finds Palin abused power in firing

Tully Mars · 10-11-2008, 06:16 AM

I spent most of yesterday and last night out and about. Partly because I had friends coming back for the winter and a neighbors birthday. So I missed most if not all of the news. I get up this morning and reading through stuff it sounds like McCains camp. reached complete meltdown mode yesterday. I mean between the Palin Troopergate report and McCain having to back track about Obama being an evil Muslim terrorist and getting booed by his own crowd. Reading through the news this morning I'm starting to wonder if McCain or the markets had a worse week.

ottopilot · 10-11-2008, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dc_dux

Otto....you're turning against the ticket whose VP candidate has been protected from witchcraft and blessed in the name of Jesus to serve HIM in her political career?

Evidently, it didnt protect her from the bi-partisan Alaska legislative committee investigating violations of ethics and abuse of power:

Have faith comrade, "The One" has a plan for us all. The Governor need only accept the truth and she will be set free.

Force 10 · 10-16-2008, 08:26 PM

Republican, of course.

mixedsubstance · 10-18-2008, 11:22 PM

This poll is great, nice too see what others across the country have decided. Nov. 11th is so close, guys!

Tully Mars · 10-19-2008, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mixedsubstance

This poll is great, nice too see what others across the country have decided. Nov. 11th is so close, guys!

Umm, you realize the election is on Nov. 4th, right?

View Poll Results: Who will you be voting for in the presidential election?
Obama/Biden	69	58.47%
McCain/Palin	23	19.49%
Third Party	5	4.24%
Undecided	7	5.93%
From US, not going to vote	2	1.69%
Not from US	12	10.17%
Voters: 118. You may not vote on this poll

09-26-2008, 08:09 PM	#43 (permalink)
Bear Cub The Reverend Side Boob Location: Nofe Curolina	Voting for the MILF and the Maverick. While I'm a social liberal, I take a conservative stance on foreign and economic policy. I don't see abortion rights going anywhere in four years time with McCain, but I can see military action and my federal income tax rates going to hell with Obama in there. __________________ Living in the United Socialist States of America.

09-27-2008, 04:55 AM	#44 (permalink)
archetypal fool Crazy Location: Florida	It's terrible about the idea that a vote for any 3rd party is considered a vote "thrown away", but it's a sad fact nonetheless. It's the media. It's the hard-wired partisanship of the majority of the voting populace. These 3rd party members aren't allowed in the debates... they have virtually no campaign presence on any media (save for the internet, of course)... And this has lead to stagnation in both of the majority parties - and by extension, stagnation in the US. Anyways, back on topic... while I'm not "pro" Obama by any means, if there's one thing I'm absolutely certain about in this election, it's that McCain can't be trusted. At all. At least for me. He's a liar (or at the very least, very forgetful) with his nearly constant flip-flopping, and all of his distorted ads; a creationist, and thus an idiot of true form; a Bush supporter (add another mark to "idiot"); a proponent of meaningless wars and hard-headed politics; the disgusting "Keating 5" mess; and he's doing a great job of showing how incompetent he is with the whole Palin fiasco. I have less than no confidence in this man, and so I'll vote for Obama to keep him out of our White House. __________________ I have my own particular sorrows, loves, delights; and you have yours. But sorrow, gladness, yearning, hope, love, belong to all of us, in all times and in all places. Music is the only means whereby we feel these emotions in their universality. ~H.A. Overstreet

09-27-2008, 05:18 AM	#45 (permalink)
asaris Mad Philosopher Location: Washington, DC	Bear Cub -- on abortion rights, you realize that the next president will probably be appointing two, perhaps more, Supreme Court Justices, right? __________________ "Die Deutschen meinen, daß die Kraft sich in Härte und Grausamkeit offenbaren müsse, sie unterwerfen sich dann gerne und mit Bewunderung:[...]. Daß es Kraft giebt in der Milde und Stille, das glauben sie nicht leicht." "The Germans believe that power must reveal itself in hardness and cruelty and then submit themselves gladly and with admiration[...]. They do not believe readily that there is power in meekness and calm." -- Friedrich Nietzsche

09-30-2008, 07:58 AM	#51 (permalink)
ottopilot let me be clear Location: Waddy Peytona	I'm changing my vote to the Dear Leader! Change We Need. __________________ "It rubs the lotion on Buffy, Jodi and Mr. French's skin" - Uncle Bill from Buffalo Last edited by ottopilot; 09-30-2008 at 08:00 AM..

09-26-2008, 07:32 PM	#41 (permalink)
Jozrael Junkie	I totally agree with you. Hence why I'm voting Dem. I would vote for a lesser party but I don't think they've really got a chance :\

09-30-2008, 12:21 AM	#49 (permalink)
Jaegyr Crazy Location: Central Ore	Wow the TFP is incredibly liberal, Here in Central Oregon we are a little more conservative then the Valleyites. Firmly Mccain/Palin

10-10-2008, 05:36 PM	#53 (permalink)
ottopilot let me be clear Location: Waddy Peytona	I have made the correct conversion. I now only serve "the one". Glad Hosannas! The Messiah is speaking to the youth. Rejoice comrades, for the dawn of a new world order is upon us! __________________ "It rubs the lotion on Buffy, Jodi and Mr. French's skin" - Uncle Bill from Buffalo Last edited by ottopilot; 10-10-2008 at 07:41 PM..

10-11-2008, 06:16 AM	#55 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	I spent most of yesterday and last night out and about. Partly because I had friends coming back for the winter and a neighbors birthday. So I missed most if not all of the news. I get up this morning and reading through stuff it sounds like McCains camp. reached complete meltdown mode yesterday. I mean between the Palin Troopergate report and McCain having to back track about Obama being an evil Muslim terrorist and getting booed by his own crowd. Reading through the news this morning I'm starting to wonder if McCain or the markets had a worse week. __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

10-16-2008, 08:26 PM	#57 (permalink)
Force 10 Had to leave this awesome space	Republican, of course.

10-18-2008, 11:22 PM	#58 (permalink)
mixedsubstance Crazy Location: Where the wild things are.	This poll is great, nice too see what others across the country have decided. Nov. 11th is so close, guys! __________________ Well, isn't that just kick-you-in-the-crotch, spit-on-your-neck fantastic?!? Without energy, there would be nothing.