I totally agree with you. Hence why I'm voting Dem. I would vote for a lesser party but I don't think they've really got a chance :\

So you only side with winners instead of conscience?
I'm not the dullest pencil in the backpack, but I really don't get this thought process....
Six months from now, whoever is in, there will be whining and the only defense is "well, I didn't think [insert name here] would be any better..."?
Exercising the right to vote doesn't mean you go with who you "think" has a chance, it means having a say, even a tiny one, about who you think "should" be there. They lost? Yea, but look how many rejected the crap thrown to us.
The big ones can spout "change" all they want but we as a nation won't really see any unless we as a nation make it happen.

Voting for the MILF and the Maverick.

While I'm a social liberal, I take a conservative stance on foreign and economic policy. I don't see abortion rights going anywhere in four years time with McCain, but I can see military action and my federal income tax rates going to hell with Obama in there.

It's terrible about the idea that a vote for any 3rd party is considered a vote "thrown away", but it's a sad fact nonetheless. It's the media. It's the hard-wired partisanship of the majority of the voting populace. These 3rd party members aren't allowed in the debates... they have virtually no campaign presence on any media (save for the internet, of course)... And this has lead to stagnation in both of the majority parties - and by extension, stagnation in the US.

Anyways, back on topic... while I'm not "pro" Obama by any means, if there's one thing I'm absolutely certain about in this election, it's that McCain can't be trusted. At all. At least for me. He's a liar (or at the very least, very forgetful) with his nearly constant flip-flopping, and all of his distorted ads; a creationist, and thus an idiot of true form; a Bush supporter (add another mark to "idiot"); a proponent of meaningless wars and hard-headed politics; the disgusting "Keating 5" mess; and he's doing a great job of showing how incompetent he is with the whole Palin fiasco. I have less than no confidence in this man, and so I'll vote for Obama to keep him out of our White House.

Bear Cub -- on abortion rights, you realize that the next president will probably be appointing two, perhaps more, Supreme Court Justices, right?

Yep, at least one and McCains stance on fiscal issues mirror those of Bush Jr. Not sure that's worked out so well. Spending, borrowing and cutting taxes have left us with a mess. McCain big proposal so far seems to be end ear marks and balance the budget. That won't even put a dent in the budget deficit. On foreign policy McCain's position seems more then a little dangerous. We can't use the military for every problem. And the mere fact he picked Palin as his number two tells me he really doesn't care about anything but winning. She doesn't have a clue on foreign policy. Her only benefits to the ticket is to rally the religious right's base.

Well it doesn't 'have' to be better than this. Educated idealism is what lead to Stalin and Hitler. Hayek's The Road to Serfdom nicely illustrates how the "educated idealism" of the Germans led to the socialist policies that wrecked most of the world and took away most people genuine freedoms.

(Oh, and please note I'm not comparing Obama to Hitler or Stalin, just saying that change for the sake of change hasn't always worked out very well.)

Easy for you to say. Tell that to someone without insurance, who has lost a home, who had a child die in a senseless war fought under false pretences.

Who was in charge in Nazi Germany? Workers? I didn't think so. Was Stalin in charge in the Soviet Union, or workers? Where was the socialism?

As one of the theoretical forebearers of Reaganism, we have Hayek to thank for the huge fucking mess we're in now. Take a look at this little Hayek-inspired gem from the Cato crowd:




The Meaning of Hayek


Putting aside the issue of market fundamentalism, the Road to Serfdom was to become Cold War propaganda eagerly spread by Readers Digest, GM, & the University of Chicago. It therefore contributing greatly to Unfreedom by providing the grounding legitimation for Cold War repression. What freedoms you now enjoy are products of resistance to that regime. I don't recall whether Hayek ever answered to this. I suspect that he would have said that McCarthyism was a temporary expedient, a state of exception, a necessary evil -- which was more or less the way he dealt with right wing dictatorships like Pinochet's. That's also how today's laissez-faire capitalists explain away your civil rights.

Thanks, Freddy, you were really full of shit.

Wow the TFP is incredibly liberal, Here in Central Oregon we are a little more conservative then the Valleyites. Firmly Mccain/Palin

Surprised you didn't use the term "flatlanders."

And yes, TFP leans left.

I'm changing my vote to the Dear Leader!



Change We Need.

Obama/Biden but I also wish Ron Paul could be Secretary of Treasury.

I have made the correct conversion. I now only serve "the one".



Glad Hosannas! The Messiah is speaking to the youth.
Rejoice comrades, for the dawn of a new world order is upon us!

Otto....you're turning against the ticket whose VP candidate has been protected from witchcraft and blessed in the name of Jesus to serve HIM in her political career?

"....bring finances her way even for the campaign in the name of Jesus... Use her to turn this nation the other way around and to keep her safe from every form of witchcraft."

Oh man.....a curse on you by Rev Muthee! When he is not blessing righteous christian politicians, he is persecuting non-believers as witches.
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Evidently, it didnt protect her from the bi-partisan Alaska legislative committee investigating violations of ethics and abuse of power:

I spent most of yesterday and last night out and about. Partly because I had friends coming back for the winter and a neighbors birthday. So I missed most if not all of the news. I get up this morning and reading through stuff it sounds like McCains camp. reached complete meltdown mode yesterday. I mean between the Palin Troopergate report and McCain having to back track about Obama being an evil Muslim terrorist and getting booed by his own crowd. Reading through the news this morning I'm starting to wonder if McCain or the markets had a worse week.

Have faith comrade, "The One" has a plan for us all. The Governor need only accept the truth and she will be set free.

Republican, of course.

This poll is great, nice too see what others across the country have decided. Nov. 11th is so close, guys!

Umm, you realize the election is on Nov. 4th, right?