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dc_dux 09-26-2008 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by pan6467 (Post 2532739)
It's not a matter of micromanaging, it's a matter of being there and knowing what is being done.

And they cant possibly know by regular updates over the phone or even blackberry?

Its more important that they insert themselves into, or hover above, the proceedings with their all powerful presence and act like they are contributing to the details?

Thats an egotist...not the kind of leader I want.

Glory's Sun 09-26-2008 10:32 AM

I'm just curious.. which candidate doesn't know what's going on? I'm a bit confused.

All I really know is which candidate hasn't flip-flopped on how he would handle it.. and he isn't a "maverick" heh.

Tully Mars 09-26-2008 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dc_dux (Post 2532727)
McCain Wins Debate - The Fix

I dont doubt that Obama has similar ads ready to go (if he doesnt, he should)...but Obama was not the one who made a public pronouncement of suspending his campaign and putting “country above politics.”

I figured it was Chris Cillizza when I saw "The Fix."

And yes I'm certain team Obama is getting their statements ready for the "spin room." Kind of sad that's where we're at anymore, we literally have a place we call the "spin room."

pan6467 09-26-2008 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dc_dux (Post 2532741)
And they cant possibly know by regular updates over the phone or even blackberry.

If it were you would you rather have secondhand knowledge or be there?

Me personally, I'd rather be there so I don't have to rely on others telling me what happened.

I want my future leader there.

Glory's Sun 09-26-2008 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by pan6467 (Post 2532752)
If it were you would you rather have secondhand knowledge or be there?

Me personally, I'd rather be there so I don't have to rely on others telling me what happened.

I want my future leader there.

They were both there..at a closed door meeting. Nothing was hammered out. There's no point in them being there when neither of them have any say-so on what happens. If either of them were on the committee's then yes, you would have a valid point.. but right now.. I just cannot understand what you are getting at. I'm sure they are constantly being updated.. so it's pretty much like being there anyway. Neither camp is going to let either of them not know the whereabouts on the situation..that would be about as dumb..well about as dumb as McCain saying he's stopping his campaign to fix the issue.

dc_dux 09-26-2008 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by pan6467 (Post 2532752)
If it were you would you rather have secondhand knowledge or be there?

Me personally, I'd rather be there so I don't have to rely on others telling me what happened.

I want my future leader there.

So you want your president standing over the Secy of Defense/CENTCOM while they discuss the detalls of an emergency in Iraq that requires a tactical response.

and standing over the Sec of Homeland Security/FEMA whil they discuss the details of responding to a hurricane.

and standing over the Sec of State while she is on the phone with a foreign leader discussing how to respond to a potential flair up on the Russia/Georgia border.

WAIT!!!! What if they are all happening at the same time?

AN EFFECTIVE AND CONFIDENT LEADER delegates to others and has a process in place to be kept in the loop and informed....and engaged when necessary!

asaris 09-26-2008 10:50 AM

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THIS IS OUR FUTURE, WE FACE HYPER INFLATION, BANKS CLOSING, OUR WHOLE ECONOMIC FUTURE IN DOUBT AND IT IS BECOMING PARTISAN BULLSHIT FODDER...... WE ARE IN TROUBLE PEOPLE. ONE OF THESE MEN WILL BE RUNNING THE COUNTRY AND IMHO, THAT PERSON BEST BE PREPARED AND BE INVOLVED NOW IN WHAT IS GOING ON.

THIS IS NOT A PARTISAN ISSUE....... THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT WILL AFFECT ALL OF US.
First, it's not hyperinflation. We have some inflation, but AFAIK, it's not even as bad as it was in the 70s. Calling it hyperinflation is just fearmongering. Second, it is McCain that's engaging in partisan bullshit. He says he won't debate unless there's a deal on the bailout, then he decides to debate anyway. He says he'll suspend his campaign, then doesn't. He tells Letterman he has to go to DC but is actually interviewing with Katie Couric. Meanwhile, it's Obama who holds himself above politics, not wanting to inject himself in a discussion where his presence will more likely harm negotiations, and being humble enough to realize there isn't much he can contribute. And when he arrives, he actually contributes rather than sitting there like a bump on a log.

flstf 09-26-2008 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Tully Mars (Post 2532749)
And yes I'm certain team Obama is getting their statements ready for the "spin room." Kind of sad that's where we're at anymore, we literally have a place we call the "spin room."

I think the political game plan is to lower expectations so that afterward the press can talk about how well they did instead of not as well as expected.

Tully Mars 09-26-2008 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by flstf (Post 2532772)
I think the political game plan is too lower expectations so that afterward the press can talk about how well they did instead of not as well as expected.


I agree. I also think it's getting to the point of being absurd. If it keeps going like this where does it end? Campaigns announcing on election night "We are so going to get creamed, we're talking land side for the other side."

roachboy 09-26-2008 11:18 AM

hyperinflation?

this is hyperinflation (quick and easy version):
Commanding Heights : The German Hyperinflation, 1923 | on PBS


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