Rekna

This video is incredibly funny and highlights how hypocritical politicians can be.


I really wish people would own up to their own hypocriticalness. How do you feel about statements made in the video above?

Poppinjay

I saw the Rove/Kaine thing live, I was angry, but then I rmembered that Rove is an ass and doesn't know any other way to operate.

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jewels

That was great.

The statements made? Obviously true. It just shows that we're all capable of answering the same question differently, depending on circumstances. I guess we're all hypocrites at some time and to some extent.

It is nice to see those videos to demonstrate this, though ...

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marcelval

I agree, I know I have caught myself being hypocritical about some things.

But I am not defending Karl Rove aka "He who must not be named."

Willravel

The Dailty Show never ceases to surprise me. Between fart jokes, they have brilliant running commentaries about the modern world. I remember someone once said, "A comedian is only as silly as the world." Actually, I think I said that.

Derwood

their Bush vs. Bush thing was epic.

Willravel

What was the tag line for the last Alien vs. Predator movie? Oh yeah, "Whoever wins, we lose."

ottopilot

Hilarious stuff... great find! Very hypocritical.

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Tully Mars

I can't watch it-

"This video file is only available to users within the United States"

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Rekna

Can you use a US proxy to watch it?

Howto watch ABC TV Streams outside the USA

Tully Mars

This might work, don't know. I'm fairly computer illiterate I'm always worried I'll run something like this then nothing else will work. My ability to resolve unforeseen issues is limited at best.

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Necrosis

It really can't top this:

GonadWarrior

That video may illustrate that subsequent statements by the same people are the benchmark by which hypocrisy is measured.

Unbelievable.

dc_dux

Funny, yes...but I would be more concerned that the video demonstrates how poorly our intelligence agencies performed in assessing Iraq's capabilities after the first Gulf war and subsequent actions (international sanctions)....with a few exceptions, the most recent being (2001-2002) intel that Bush withheld from Congress and the American people.

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Necrosis

HUMINT is a critical asset which takes many years to cultivate, but Jimmy Carter and Stansfield Turner, with their Halloween Massacre, practically dismantled our programs in favor of more electronic means. The 9/11 attack planning apparently began in 1995, thus adding to your assessment of intel failures during the post-Gulf War period. Since that period includes the entire Clinton-Gore era, Mencken appears to have little to "rejoice" about.

dc_dux

It actually goes back to the Church Committee that was convened during the Ford administration as a result Nixon's abuses of the intel agencies:

In 1975 and 1976, the Church Committee published fourteen reports on the formation of U.S. intelligence agencies, their operations, and the alleged abuses of law and of power that they had committed, together with recommendations for reform, some of which were put in place.

I think many Americans would be pleased to know that we stopped assassinating foreign leaders and operating in other illegal manners. Perhaps you dont agree and would prefer that our intel agencies operate unchecked.

Sure you can blame Carter...but blame Reagan was well...The fact that Reagan "cut and ran" (terms the right likes to use) after the worst terrorist attack against US citizens to that point (200+ marines killed in barracks in Lebanon) and left the impression that the US would not respond to terrorist attacks might also have contributed to future attacks.

And the fact is irrefutable that Bush withheld from Congress and the American people that there was dissenting intel re: Saddam's nuclear/bio capabilities.

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Tully Mars

I remember when this happened. I was sitting on a Navy ship just east the Strait of Hormuz and headed to Bahrain. We went to general quarters, which having been in the Navy a total of about 6mos. got my attention. I remember talk of turning around and going to support the forces in the Mediterranean. One Senior Chief told me "There's no way Reagan will let this go, he'll turn Lebanon into a glass parking lot first." I remember reading in the Stars and Stripes about the New Jersey sitting off shore and firing her big guns at "terrorist targets." That was sometime in late fall. By spring we were out of there and I never heard anyone really talk about it. That Senior Chief told me "This will come back to bite us in the ass, you either stand up to these assholes or they'll just get stronger." He also referred to Reagan as a Carter wannbe after that.

I don't know about the Carter wannbe comment but he may have been right about this coming back to bite us. I think the group that did the bombing was Hezbollah, or at least a early version of them. Look how strong they are now.

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guy44

Yeah...bombing Lebanon from an offshore Navy ship would not have destroyed, or significantly damaged, Hezbollah. That kind of thing would only have made them stronger at the time. Also, IIRC, U.S. intel was woeful, even compared to now, in the Middle East at the time and we didn't really know who was responsible.

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Tully Mars

No, it wasn't very effective at all. The guns on the Jersey were WWII era and the ability to place shell where you wanted it was pretty limited. Bombs weren't nearly as smart as they are these days. We ended up hitting targets that were all too often civilian. Which in turn made Hezbollah more popular and thus more powerful.

Yep, hindsights 20/20. At the time we were completely focused on the the USSR and the cold war. Much, if not all, of our intelligence efforts were focused in that direction. Considering all the signs it looks like we might have wanted to have more on the ground intel Op's going in the ME. I remember during the first Gulf war there being a lot of stories regarding how we had a mere handful of people who could even speak any of the local languages. The cold war had been over for years and we had a lot of folks able to speak Russian. Might have been smart for us to start learning these ME languages and cultures. But even after that we still didn't have a good understanding of the region. You'd think under Bush I and Clinton there would have been a huge push to engage and get better intel in this region. I don't think we did a very good job in this area.

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guyy

Hezbollah is a social movement and a political party and an army. It is extremely popular in Lebanon because it provides people with things they want and/or need, especially in underserved areas. They run schools, they run hospitals, they run for office, they kicked the Israeli army out of Lebanon. If you think of them as "terrorists", as do the neo-cons, you misunderstand their strength. To beat Hezbollah you have to give 80% of Lebanon something they'll like better -- or kill them.

Reagan the New Jersey weren't going to have any appreciable affect. It was farting in the wind. And, given the mutual love between Iran and Reagan, that's probably all Ronnie wanted to do.

Tusko

do you like getting handjobs?
do you like giving handjobs?
this does not make you a hypocrite.

Tully Mars

Nope, but if you try to tell others hand jobs are bad...

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jorgelito

Hezbollah is a terrorist organization.

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