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matthew330 09-05-2008 08:34 PM

The first 10 or so minutes of McCain's acceptance speech last night was wasted waiting trying to weed these guys out. It was disruptive and obnoxious, and I was wishing I was standing next to that guy on the balcony who dropped that stupid ass banner "you can't win an occupation"....(oops, did I bump you that hard?).

Your protesters aren't protesting anything in particular, they're trying to shut people up who don't agree with them - that is their only goal. That's why it's juvenile disruption, NOT protestion (or protestation or something).
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Medusa, streets are already shut down to accommodate protesters. At some point you have to "herd" this assembly so the rest of the responsible world can carry on.

dc_dux 09-05-2008 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by matthew330 (Post 2519654)
... At some point you have to "herd" this assembly so the rest of the responsible world can carry on.

That sounds like something Bull Connor would have said about the march on Selma.

Grasshopper Green 09-05-2008 09:08 PM

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Willravel 09-05-2008 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by matthew330 (Post 2519622)
Will - I appreciate the offer, and I probably would if we ever ran into each other.

Before or after the obligatory liberal/conservative fisticuffs?
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Originally Posted by matthew330 (Post 2519622)
Would you mind if I carried my own signs? and if I smoked cigarettes incessantly?

I'd be ecstatic if you brought your own sign, as long as it didn't hold any of the protest leadership liable for anything illegal. "I'm going to kill you" can get a protester in a lot of trouble. Oh, and as long as you don't smoke Newport Kings, I'll be fine. I can't stand those.

matthew330 09-05-2008 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dc_dux (Post 2519670)
That sounds like something Bull Connor would have said about the march on Selma.

So now these kids attacking police outside the RNC have not only been compared to Thoreau, they're actions are tantamount to the brave souls who marched from Selma to Montgomery.

Or maybe you were just using those that situation because it sounded real good against that portion of my post, which had nothing to do with it's meaning. Either way, welcome to liberalism!
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WILL - dude...."I'm going to kill you" I would never. Where have we met before?

Seriously....I was thinking of something simple like "PROTESTERS SUCK"

Willravel 09-05-2008 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by matthew330 (Post 2519684)
Where have we met before?

If you have anything in common with most other people that ask that, the answer is "I dated your sister". :thumbsup:

matthew330 09-05-2008 09:56 PM

My condolences, her "real" name is Brian.

jorgelito 09-06-2008 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by shakran (Post 2519224)
The group of anarchists have been planning what happened (and more) for months before the RNC. They planned it /for/ the RNC. There was civil disobedience at the RNC, just outside the fence.

Plus, St. Paul is pretty small as metro areas go. The group trying to take over Mickeys Diner was only a few blocks away from the convention center, and was heading in that direction.

Yeah there has been more reporting on this so far. Apparently there are two groups: "peaceful protesters" and the anarchists. Unfortunately, they got mixed up. When the anarchists were arrested, the other "peaceful protesters" actually cheered and applauded. Police did a good job here.

Also, let's be clear: this is NOT BECAUSE OF THE RNC. These things also happened at the DNC in Denver. It's a bunch of anarchists who were bent on causing trouble no matter what regardless of political party. The Minneapolis police actually consulted with the Denver police regarding their violence.
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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru (Post 2519595)
Someone hasn't read his Thoreau.

Being arrested for loitering or trespassing is a small price to pay for disrupting what one thinks is even more unjust.

I don't know about that. Do you think the protesters at the DNC would agree?
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Originally Posted by Willravel (Post 2519603)
I would absolutely love it if you'd join me at the next protest that I attend. It would be beneficial for you to experience it first hand, so you can gain a better perspective on the activity. We can even go to a conservative protest, if that makes you more comfortable.

I disagree. When Clinton came to LA a few years back (1999?), I was slammed to the pavement by the police when I took out the trash from my store on Westwood Boulevard when he came to town. I wasn't even protesting. I was just taking out the trash, The police never bothered to inform us that the president was going to pass by this way to UCLA. No warning, just a brutal slam to the pavement and a big cut on my chin.

Willravel 09-06-2008 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jorgelito (Post 2519736)
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Originally Posted by Willravel
I would absolutely love it if you'd join me at the next protest that I attend. It would be beneficial for you to experience it first hand, so you can gain a better perspective on the activity. We can even go to a conservative protest, if that makes you more comfortable.

I disagree. When Clinton came to LA a few years back (1999?), I was slammed to the pavement by the police when I took out the trash from my store on Westwood Boulevard when he came to town. I wasn't even protesting. I was just taking out the trash, The police never bothered to inform us that the president was going to pass by this way to UCLA. No warning, just a brutal slam to the pavement and a big cut on my chin.

:confused:

roachboy 09-06-2008 07:41 AM

what on earth makes you, jorgelito, or anyone else assume that these anarchists you wave about in the direction of without having bothered to check anything out about who they might be, were just "bent on causing trouble"? where the fuck does that comes from?

this is what "free speech zones" are also about: confining the area of police violence to a distant sector, away from the cameras, so that when information starts to surface about that violence, the police are in an advantageous public relations position. must work: folk in this thread have swallowed their memes.

you can get other information from any indymedia site. this information comes with it's own problems, but one thing is sure: if you look AT ALL and ANYTHING the idea that "those anarchists" were "just causing trouble" goes out the fucking window.

and even if it didn't, what is being justified is the suppression of political action.

jorgelito 09-06-2008 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by roachboy (Post 2519834)
what on earth makes you, jorgelito, or anyone else assume that these anarchists you wave about in the direction of without having bothered to check anything out about who they might be, were just "bent on causing trouble"? where the fuck does that comes from?

this is what "free speech zones" are also about: confining the area of police violence to a distant sector, away from the cameras, so that when information starts to surface about that violence, the police are in an advantageous public relations position. must work: folk in this thread have swallowed their memes.

you can get other information from any indymedia site. this information comes with it's own problems, but one thing is sure: if you look AT ALL and ANYTHING the idea that "those anarchists" were "just causing trouble" goes out the fucking window.

and even if it didn't, what is being justified is the suppression of political action.

Roach, there are different sets of protesters. Some are peaceful and there are others that incite violence. The problem occurs when they comingle. The violent protesters actually disrupt the peaceful ones as well which is why they were grateful to the police when they removed them. It is unfortunate if peaceful protesters get caught up in violence and are treated roughly by police. That is unfortunate, it's actually happened to me. No one is suggesting (at least I'm not) that political speech should be suppressed. The issue that's being addressed is incitement of violence. I know if I am protesting, I would be very angry if hooligans were there too to incite violence. It damages and ruins the protest. If anything, the violent protesters are the ones suppressing others' rights political speech and protest.


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