Tully Mars

Got any sources for this? I was looking around earlier and couldn't find anything but bloggers. Basically the same folks that said the kid was her daughter's.

If she kept the cash, it's gotta be in a budget somewhere.


On a side note- now that her daughter's pregnant wonder if she's going to be against abstinence only education after she was for it?

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It's actually on page two of the article I sourced:

Sorry I thought the article only had one page.

But yes it seems she not only was in favor of the bridge before she was against it but she also lied about giving the money back.

Exactly why did the McCain Campaign pick this lady?

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ngdawg

Because she's a "hot" female politician, unlike Hillary or Pelosi and she's anti-abortion.

Tully Mars

I'd liked to think the US voter would look a little deeper at someone. Yeah, I'd like to think.

But I can't see Hilary backers flocking to her. She stands on the opposite side of almost every issue Hilary supported. Of the three Hilary supporters I know (not a lot of US voters around me) one was undecided, one hates Obama and was leaning to McCain and the other started backing Obama right after Hilary dropped out. All three said they thought the Palin pick was basically political pandering. I think my Obama hating friend is now writing in Hilary. BTW- she attends church twice a week and watches several TV preachers regularly. She said she'd like to see someone "take Obama out." According to her he's the devil.

I can see hard core conservatives backing her, she's on their side 100%. Plus by the time Fox, Rush et el get done with the bridge story she'll have not only given it back she'll have personally loaded the cash in a wheelbarrow and walked it from Alaska to DC and given a Mr. Smith type speech while dumping it in the oval office.

The part that gets me is why choose her? McCain was already going to get the voters who'll support her. I don't see her bringing in the independent and swing voters each side is going to need to win.

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flstf

I think it was a calculated effort to get Hillary voters who think Obama stole the primary and to give the religious right a reason to support the ticket. With some/many Hillary supporters it seems to be working, just take a look at the hillaryis44.org or pumapac.org sites. Their goal is to defeat Obama and run Hillary in 2012.

I'm not sure if her daughter's pregnancy will have any effect on voters perception of her abstinance only and no birth control education in the schools. The religious right will probably like the fact that she walks the walk when it comes to her anti-abortion stance though also her advocating teaching creation in the schools.

abaya

Yeah, wouldn't we all... I gave up hope of that in 2004, unfortunately. Well. Isn't that a productive stance. Gives me such hope for America. Where does she live? And you know, that's just fine with me. I hope it works out exactly like that, frankly.

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Tully Mars

She lives in Mexico, just around the corner from me. She and her brother spew the same crap. Obama's a secret Muslim, he's a terrorist... blah, blah, blah.


Do you really think disenfranchised Hilary supporters will vote GOP just because they put Palin on the ticket? Personally I think the Hilary supporters trying to orchestrate an Obama loss so Hilary can run and win in 2012 were already in McCains camp. I don't see adding her to the ticket as a positive for him. If anything it might make some of the those PUMA folks give it a second thought.

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roachboy

sometimes i think the only nominee that could manage to maintain consistency with the social-reactionary political line in their personal lives would be a shaker. but they died off
because they didn't believe in sex at all.
but they made nice furniture while they were around.

the problems with finding someone whose life is actually symmterical with their politics is one indication of how self-defeating the whole social-reactionary political worldview is.
but this is all obvious, and hardly seems to have required this bit of theater to become so.


so i kinda feel badly for palin's daughter in all this. she didn't choose any of it, and i wonder if she feels a bit like she's been thrown under a bus (a cliche i'm not quite sick of yet)...i hope we don't read some story soon about her deciding to put her head in an oven. 17 and subjected to all this, even at a remove, cannot be good.

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abaya

If they do... and if McCain wins... then those voters will get what they deserve (just like the Bush voters did, even if some of them refuse to recognize/admit the shithole of the economy and foreign relations that Bush has created with their "mandate"). And the rest of America who did not vote in such a manner will have to deal with the fallout, all over again. Yay.

It's the old saying again... be careful what you ask for, 'cause you might just get it (and a hell of a lot more than you bargained for). In politics more than anywhere else.

And yeah, you don't need to tell me... I know that if Obama wins, things could go awry just as much as they did during the Bush years. But I'll GLADLY take things going awry in a different direction--ANY direction--than the direction we're going right now (coughMcCaincough). Feel free to remind me of this in 4 years. I have no problem with that, come what may.

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Tully Mars

Yeah, a good friend of mine, a guy who voted Bush in 2000, changed his mind after Bush went into Iraq. He had nothing good to say about bush or the GOP (many Dems too) after that. I asked him right before the 04 election if he was voting for Bush again and he said "Yes, they got us in this shit hole, they're the ones that need to own it and get us out of it."

I don't think he's been too happy with what he wished for, in fact I know he hasn't been.

Of the many problems I have with McCain it's his position on the use of military force I disagree with the most. I listen him and it seems his answer to every problem is use military force. Someone once said (some thing to the effect of) "to the man with a large hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail." IMHO, McCain sees every problem as being solvable with a large military hammer. I think he's wrong and he's over judging the size of the hammer currently available.

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ottopilot

I think Sarah Palin will step up to the podium this week and unzip her skin-suit revealing her true self (at some dramatic moment) to be Hillary Clinton.

I'm going for another Maker's on the rocks... brb.

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ASU2003

Yeah, she needs to go back to Alaska and live with the new in-laws for a while. The Dad should probably go back with the other kids because they aren't needed in the political arena either.

OK, I'll let them stay for the convention, but then I don't want to see them again until November.

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Poppinjay

McCain did the same thing to himself by releasing a blast youtube spot 15 minutes after the announcement of Biden.

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abaya

While I agree with you about Palin's daughter, I am in fact sick of that cliche, comrade.

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Willravel

I'm having trouble locating a complete list of Governor Palin's policy positions. I know she has yet to voice opinions on many things, but she had to have positions to get elected governor.

ASU2003

I'm not sure where she stands on some issues either. Sure, environment, energy, foreign oil, abortion, corruption, and taxes are a start. But, then again, Alaska doesn't have to worry about too many Canadians illegally immigrating into Alaska. Or urban crime, NAFTA/outsourcing jobs, national debt, balanced budgets, sending the military into a 3rd world country, diplomatic tone, line item veto, and a whole bunch of other issues.

Necrosis

How's this for a faux pas?



And then he topped it off by saying " Hillary Clinton ‘Might Have Been a Better Pick’ for VP."

We will be screwed if he winds up being the one who negotiates with our adversaries.

Willravel

OH MY GOD. That's almost as bad when George started to make fun of that blind guy.

Necrosis

Would anyone like to give odds on whether Biden or someone in his family develops a "health problem," after which Biden has to drop out of the race, and Obama has to pick a new VP candidate?

I have absolutely no clue as to whether Obama would offer it to Hillary, or whether she would accept.

dc_dux

Absolutely, it was an incredibly stupid thing to say.

But to think we will be screwed if he winds up as VP....yes, he has an ego and a loose tongue, but he is incredibly knowledgeable in foreign affairs.

As opposed to Palin who McCain and others have said has foreign affairs experience because Alaska is in close proximity to Russia (paraphrasing).

And lets not forget these gems by our current VP:

"I had other priorities in the sixties than military service." –on his five draft deferments.

"Conservation may be a sign of personal virtue but it is not a sufficient basis for a sound, comprehensive energy policy."

"My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." - on the day of our invasion of Iraq

"I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." -- on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005

"Go fuck yourself." --to Sen. Patrick Leahy, during an angry exchange on the Senate floor about profiteering by Halliburton

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pan6467

That is almost as funny as Quayle's spelling p-o-t-a-t-o in a school's spelling bee.

I don't think Biden will drop out.... he probably should and he will most definitely cost more votes than he brings in.... but..... I just think his ego won't let him drop and with Obama's connections to Biden's lobbyist sons.... we won't see him pushed out any time soon.

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jorgelito

You know, the weird thing is, as much as I wanted Hillary to be the VP pick, I think she is needed more in the Senate. I think she can ride the momentum of her campaign into the Senate and get things done, working with Obama. She can solidify the Dems and indies if she works at it. Having her as VP is almost a waste.

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I am really going to miss Chaney. He had an uncanny way of making liberals go so ballistic that they seemed to have an inability to respond in a rational manner. Spygate was classic - yea he threw her under the bus and kinda said to Congress "go fuck yourself" - and what have they done? Oh, they will get to it after vacation.

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