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ratbastid · 08-31-2008, 06:16 AM

Just so everybody knows, here's what downtown Wasilla, Alaska looks like:

Evidently there's a small strip mall behind the bar there, and... that's about it.

geothermal · 08-31-2008, 07:25 AM

McCain's choice was pretty wise, even though he has only met the woman twice in his life I guess.... I mean if you have seen the movie Idiocracy, you will realize the average IQ of the USA is falling and falling over the decades and Palin and Wasilla, Alaska represent that trend downward spiral. Hopefully Obama wins to undo all that Bush messed up.

Tully Mars · 08-31-2008, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by geothermal

McCain's choice was pretty wise, even though he has only met the woman twice in his life I guess.... I mean if you have seen the movie Idiocracy, you will realize the average IQ of the USA is falling and falling over the decades and Palin and Wasilla, Alaska represent that trend downward spiral. Hopefully Obama wins to undo all that Bush messed up.

Whom ever gets elected is not going to be able to undo the Bush nightmare, IMHO. It's going to take 20-30 years to undo the crap hole Bush and Co. has dug for the US.

GonadWarrior · 08-31-2008, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rekna

Also don't forget Palin has very close ties to Stevens and her reputation could be damaged by Steven's sins.

Did Stevens say "God damn America?" Or bomb any buildings?

Tully Mars · 08-31-2008, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ratbastid

Just so everybody knows, here's what downtown Wasilla, Alaska looks like:

Evidently there's a small strip mall behind the bar there, and... that's about it.

Hey, they have PAWS. Or the Wasilla airport.

AirNav: PAWS - Wasilla Airport

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Originally Posted by GonadWarrior

Did Stevens say "God damn America?" Or bomb any buildings?

No Stevens isn't the GOP's Rev. Wright. That slot belongs to folks like John Hagee et el.

Finding religious leaders who say crazy things is a little like shooting fish in a barrel.

flstf · 08-31-2008, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by GonadWarrior

Did Stevens say "God damn America?" Or bomb any buildings?

I don't think so, I suspect he didn't have any complaints with the way our country works until recently.

GonadWarrior · 08-31-2008, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ratbastid

Just so everybody knows, here's what downtown Wasilla, Alaska looks like:

Evidently there's a small strip mall behind the bar there, and... that's about it.

This is the city where Obama was an "organizer." The caption says "America's largest ghetto, Chicago's South Side."

Now that we've traded "gotchas," the question arises as to why the Obama faction resents Palin's selection so much. Republicans were happy that Obama selected an asshole like Bidet. If Palin is such a poor choice, shouldn't her opponents be overjoyed?

The biggest epicenter of outrage MUST be the Clinton residence. If Obama gets elected, Hillary will not be the candidate in 2012. If McCain is elected, for one reason or another, he is very likely to be a one-term president. In all likelihood, Palin would then run, essentially as the incumbent. Hillary's biggest selling point, her gender, would be negated.

I'd love to own the drywall company or lamp store nearest the Clinton residence about now.

dc_dux · 08-31-2008, 08:50 AM

The McCain's on the Sunday morning talk show circuit today:

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WALLACE: You’re not suggesting he (Bush) did want to torture prisoners.

McCAIN: Well, waterboarding to me is torture, OK? And waterboarding was advocated by the administration and, according to published reports, was used. But the point is, we’ve had our disagreements.

McCain seems to forget that he voted against a bill that would have banned the CIA from using waterboarding. In fact, when the bill passed w/o his vote, McCain urged Bush to veto it, which he did.

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STEPHANOPOULOS: But she(Palin) has no national security experience.

Cyndy McCAIN: You know, the experience that she comes from is what she’s done in government, and remember, Alaska is the closest part of our continent to Russia. It’s not as if she doesn’t understand what’s at stake here.

WTF....who scripted that for her or was that her own wise conclusion

Does these people ever listen to themselves?

forseti-6 · 08-31-2008, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by GonadWarrior

This is the city where Obama was an "organizer." The caption says "America's largest ghetto, Chicago's South Side."

Now that we've traded "gotchas," the question arises as to why the Obama faction resents Palin's selection so much. Republicans were happy that Obama selected an asshole like Bidet. If Palin is such a poor choice, shouldn't her opponents be overjoyed?

The biggest epicenter of outrage MUST be the Clinton residence. If Obama gets elected, Hillary will not be the candidate in 2012. If McCain is elected, for one reason or another, he is very likely to be a one-term president. In all likelihood, Palin would then run, essentially as the incumbent. Hillary's biggest selling point, her gender, would be negated.

I'd love to own the drywall company or lamp store nearest the Clinton residence about now.

You know you make a great point here. I did notice a lot of Republican pundits were overjoyed when Obama picked Biden as his VP. They all said how Biden brought a great wealth of knowledge to Obama's side, but in the past he has said many things that can and will come back to bite him in his ass. I don't think anyone can doubt how immense and ego he has, and I guess everyone is hoping for him to have more of his infamous slips of the tongue.

The first thing I noticed after Palin was announced was CNN reporting the Obama camp reporting on "how poor a choice Palin was." Is it perhaps they feel that more Clinton supporters will erode to McCain or the fact that they're afraid what a great strategy that pick was?

I was reading an opinion piece on CNN and someone mentioned a good points about Palin. They said when she would debate Biden, Biden can be portrayed as a bully beating on a mother of five if he conducts his debates as he's known for. Is this fair? No, but it's going to happen.

filtherton · 08-31-2008, 08:57 AM

My state is pretty close to Canada, so you know, I know what's at stake with them corrupting our phonetic systems. Paaastaaaaah.

flstf · 08-31-2008, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GonadWarrior

The biggest epicenter of outrage MUST be the Clinton residence. If Obama gets elected, Hillary will not be the candidate in 2012. If McCain is elected, for one reason or another, he is very likely to be a one-term president. In all likelihood, Palin would then run, essentially as the incumbent. Hillary's biggest selling point, her gender, would be negated.

I'd love to own the drywall company or lamp store nearest the Clinton residence about now.

Yeah, the Hillary (and no one else but Hillary) supporters seem to be happy with this choice since they perceive that it will take away women's votes and help defeat Obama so she can run in 2012. In reality this is a very bad choice for their cause.

Tully Mars · 08-31-2008, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dc_dux

The McCain's on the Sunday morning talk show circuit today:

Does these people ever listen to themselves?

I don't understand why they say stuff like this either, but it's obviously the latest GOP talking points. And yes the DNC has it's own stupid talking points. It's as if both parties have come to realize the average US voter votes based on what sound bite they hear last.

Personally I support Obama not because I think he's the answer to all our problems. Several of his ideas I disagree with, I simply disagree with fewer of his ideas then McCain's.

I saw some talking head yesterday explaining why Obama will be so bad for the country. He basically went point by point down the list of things McCain, Bush and the GOP believe will help our economy, our energy situation and our standing in the world. He presented a case that Obama wants to change these policies and that would hurt the country. Well if the GOP's policies will help the country so much how come after eight years of near complete free run the nation is so screwed up?

You can go back and look and the GOP has always talks about smaller government, less spending. Every time they've held power the spending goes up and government gets bigger. Every GOP admin, IMHO, has hit the middle class. Bush II's has just about given it a knock out blow.

I listen and read Palin's positions and ideas and I can't find one I agree with. McCain's voted with Bush roughly 90% of the time. I think the Bush II administration is a complete and total failure. I'm not voting for a guy who's agreed with him 90% of the time.

That's why I support Obama and would have supported any Dem over McCain. I signed up some time ago to donate a monthly amount to Obama. Basically when I moved to Mexico I lost a car payment. Back in April I decided to start sending him that amount. I wonder what they think when they get a monthly donation that ends with $_84.67?

Willravel · 08-31-2008, 09:55 AM

I live in California, which is by the ocean.

I should see if the GOP is hiring marine biologists.

flstf · 08-31-2008, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ratbastid

Just so everybody knows, here's what downtown Wasilla, Alaska looks like:

Evidently there's a small strip mall behind the bar there, and... that's about it.

I suspect that soon we will be seeing more reruns of Northern Exposure.

Halx · 08-31-2008, 11:03 AM

Not that I was going to vote for him, but his choice makes the outlook clearer.

1) He's old and this woman could be president in the snap of a finger. NOT COOL.
2) He nominates a no-name female with no federal political experience, and somehow thinks its going to buy Clinton voters? Like the only issue they voted on was that she was female? NOT COOL.

Based on these two reasons alone, why should anyone even dare to trust the presidency with McCain?

roachboy · 08-31-2008, 11:25 AM

more generally, i would say that this is a good time to shut off your fucking television, stop relying on the circulation of lint that passes as "politics" on the 24/5 "news" channels, figure out what you think the present state of affairs in and with the united states is, read what the candidates are proposing to do or not do about them and then make an informed choice as to who to vote for.

what passes for politics in the states is painfully idiotic.

and it is a depressing thought that we still have 3 months to go in the context of which discussion about issues and relative merits of candidates will in all probability drowned out by the lint issuing from the televisual fuckwit class.

we don't need to be dominated: we do it to ourselves.

filtherton · 08-31-2008, 11:34 AM

Speaking of shutting off news channels, twitter is kind of interesting right now. Do a search for RNC on twitter and you can find frequently updated tweets about the awesome things the Minneapolis and St. Paul police department are doing right now to potential protestors.
For instance: Twitter / coldsnaplegal

The great thing is that we (the local taxpayers) are paying them now to do this in the form of salary, and then we will be paying again when they lose all the civil rights abuse cases that will result from these incidents, and then we will continue to pay these folks to continue to "serve and protect" our peace.

I know not all cops are bad, but when the good ones can't be bothered to differentiate themselves from the bad then I have a hard time not writing them all off as scumbags.

jorgelito · 08-31-2008, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by filtherton

Speaking of shutting off news channels, twitter is kind of interesting right now. Do a search for RNC on twitter and you can find frequently updated tweets about the awesome things the Minneapolis and St. Paul police department are doing right now to potential protestors.
For instance: Twitter / coldsnaplegal

The great thing is that we (the local taxpayers) are paying them now to do this in the form of salary, and then we will be paying again when they lose all the civil rights abuse cases that will result from these incidents, and then we will continue to pay these folks to continue to "serve and protect" our peace.

I know not all cops are bad, but when the good ones can't be bothered to differentiate themselves from the bad then I have a hard time not writing them all off as scumbags.

I don't know if you saw any of the DNC, doesn't seem like any TFPers saw or heard any of it but yeah, this happened at the DNC too. It was pretty crazy. The cops in Denver were pretty heavy handed.

filtherton · 08-31-2008, 11:56 AM

I know. It's a bit ridiculous. But then again, it seems like giving the average cop an excuse to use force is a bit like giving Paris Hilton an excuse to expose her genitals to photographers.

host · 08-31-2008, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tully Mars

.....I listen and read Palin's positions and ideas and I can't find one I agree with. McCain's voted with Bush roughly 90% of the time. I think the Bush II administration is a complete and total failure. I'm not voting for a guy who's agreed with him 90% of the time.

That's why I support Obama and would have supported any Dem over McCain. I signed up some time ago to donate a monthly amount to Obama. Basically when I moved to Mexico I lost a car payment. Back in April I decided to start sending him that amount. I wonder what they think when they get a monthly donation that ends with .67?

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Living In The U. S. A. lyrics

....But everybody's kickin' sand
Even politicians
We're living in a plastic land ...

Fitzgerald News Conference - New York Times
Oct 28, 2005 ... And what we have when someone charges obstruction of justice, the umpire gets sand thrown in his eyes. He's trying to figure what happened ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/28/po...pagewanted=all

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Sarah Palin hit by internet rumours over fifth child - Times Online
August 31, 2008
Sarah Palin hit by internet rumours over fifth child

Teams of Democratic operatives and investigative journalists descended on Alaska today to delve into the private and public life of Sarah Palin, the new and little-known Republican vice-presidential nominee, as fresh questions arose over whether she had been properly vetted by the John McCain campaign. ....

....If Mrs Palin, a conservative mother-of-five, ever doubted that landing on a national presidential ticket would open herself to the harshest of spotlights and smear tactics, she also awoke this morning to utterly unfounded internet rumours that her fifth child born in April with Down's Syndrome was actually her 17-year-old daughter's.

When she made her debut speech on Friday, she immediately touted her success in killing off the infamous "Bridge to Nowhere" project that had become a nationwide symbol of wasteful, pork-barrel spending that Mr McCain has made a cornerstone of his campaign.

Yet in the first unsettling revelation that the McCain camp will hope does not become a pattern, the Anchorage Daily News reported that when she ran for governor, Mrs Palin campaigned on a "build the bridge" platform. The newspaper, in a reference to John Kerry's alleged "flip-flopping" in the 2004 presidential campaign, said: "Palin was for the Bridge before she was against it." ....

Sarah Palin Pregnancy Debate
High Def Video of Palin, circa mid feb., 2008.... (move progress bar to mid of video) photographer posts that he had no idea she wad pregnant. She accompanies him on a long walk in drizzle with snow on ground...light coat, and high heeled boots while allegedly six months pregnant....

Tully, I can say with great regret, you have wasted your money on supporting Obama's candidacy. I wrote this open letter (excerpts) to Obama, after he "picked" Biden, last week:

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I know it's been a long campaign, but I have to ask you, Sen. Obama, how does this recent diary's description of what you did today,

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Daily Kos: Biden And The Bankruptcy Abomination
Biden And The Bankruptcy Abomination Hotlist
by RedMeatDem

or what you did by supporting the FISA "reform", and telecomm amnesty, square with this?:

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AFSCME - "I've Been to the Mountaintop" by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

...Secondly, let us keep the issues where they are. The issue is injustice. The issue is the refusal of Memphis to be fair and honest in its dealings with its public servants, who happen to be sanitation workers. Now, we've got to keep attention on that...

.... That's always the problem with a little violence. You know what happened the other day, and the press dealt only with the window-breaking. I read the articles. They very seldom got around to mentioning the fact that one thousand, three hundred sanitation workers were on strike, and that Memphis is not being fair to them, and that Mayor Loeb is in dire need of a doctor. They didn't get around to that.

Now we're going to march again, and we've got to march again, in order to put the issue where it is supposed to be. And force everybody to see that there are thirteen hundred of God's children here suffering, sometimes going hungry, going through dark and dreary nights wondering how this thing is going to come out. That's the issue. And we've got to say to the nation: we know it's coming out. For when people get caught up with that which is right and they are willing to sacrifice for it, there is no stopping point short of victory.... -Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. delivered this speech in support of the striking sanitation workers at Mason Temple in Memphis, TN on April 3, 1968

Above are nearly the last public words that Dr. King was afforded the opportunity to say before death silenced him. Sen. Obama, would you want your legacy to be your endorsement speech of Sen. Joe Biden (D-MBNA), or perhaps your vote for the FISA "reform"/telecomm amnesty bill?

You can read about the Nazi enabling of 1940 republican candidate, Wendell Willkie, and about Richard Nixon, GHW Bush, Nelson Rockefeller, and Ronald Reagan, too. This extreme right wing sympathy from American political leaders has never been denounced, never been repudiated. In fact, right wing authors

Amity Shlaes

and

Jonah Goldberg

have recently written enthusiastically reviewed books extolling the exact opposite of the extreme right alliance with fascism/nazism.....

Trust me, the following links and images document some pretty sordid stuff, done by past presidents and a contender for that office. You certainly haven't gone to such extreme, but you have embraced corporatism, the junior partner of fascism, both with your support of FISA/amnesty, and your decision to pick Sen. Biden as your running mate. Look how far you've moved away from the direction of Dr. King's last mission of his life.

You owe it to all Americans to describe and then repudiate the following, and firmly announce a new commitment to taking the country and it's politics in the opposite direction of it's extreme right, recent history and policy.....or what "change" can you possibly be the candidate for?

highthief · 08-31-2008, 12:37 PM

Do you Americans vote based on who the VP candidate is? That state of affairs doesn't really exist in many nations - parties are voted for, as are (to a large extent) party leaders. But who the Deputy Prime Minister is matters very little to nations like Canada, the UK, etc. Hell, I'm not sure I know who the Deputy PM is right now.

I know succession works a little differently in the US, but would even if Elvis was the running mate, would it really matter that much?

Willravel · 08-31-2008, 12:40 PM

I'll never forgive Obama for supporting the FISA bill granting telecom immunity. Same with Pelosi and other party leadership. It just reaffirms my decision not to be a Democrat.

Tully Mars · 08-31-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by host

Sarah Palin Pregnancy Debate
High Def Video of Palin, circa mid feb., 2008.... (move progress bar to mid of video) photographer posts that he had no idea she wad pregnant. She accompanies him on a long walk in drizzle with snow on ground...light coat, and high heeled boots while allegedly six months pregnant....

Tully, I can say with great regret, you have wasted your money on supporting Obama's candidacy. I wrote this open letter (excerpts) to Obama, after he "picked" Biden, last week:

You spend your money how you want and I'll spend mine the way I prefer, deal?

roachboy · 08-31-2008, 12:56 PM

tactics over principle in this case, comrades: i'd rather vote nader, but i *know* he cannot win---but mc-cain can win, and that prospect is far more loathsome than any other---so supporting obama in the sense of voting for him is easy. if his only position was that on fisa, i wouldn't--but it isn't. he may be a creepy clintonian centrist in many ways, but he's better than john mc-cain.

host · 08-31-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by highthief

Do you Americans vote based on who the VP candidate is? That state of affairs doesn't really exist in many nations - parties are voted for, as are (to a large extent) party leaders. But who the Deputy Prime Minister is matters very little to nations like Canada, the UK, etc. Hell, I'm not sure I know who the Deputy PM is right now.

I know succession works a little differently in the US, but would even if Elvis was the running mate, would it really matter that much?

It's a tad more important an issue when the other member of the "team", the party's presidential candidate....is someone elderly....the oldest man, if elected....ever to take the office of the presidency....a man prematurely aged by severe, under attended injury during 5-1/2 years as a POW subjected to physical and psycho torture. In addition, the candidate admits to not being able to raise his arms higher than his chest, and to repeated treatment for melanoma:

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McCain's Health Is Called Robust By His Doctors - New York Times
......But two experts in the field who reviewed the pathology report released on Friday said it was unclear whether the melanoma on Mr. McCain's temple had metastasized from another, or whether there was one new primary melanoma.

If the spread was through the nearby melanoma, that could suggest a greater risk, said Dr. Lynn M. Schuchter, a melanoma expert at the University of Pennsylvania, and Dr. Mohammed Kashani-Sabet, director of the Melanoma Center at the University of California, San Francisco. .....

....and, last I looked...we're not considering the election of new leadership of just "any" country....it's about a country addicted to 13 million bbls a day of imported petroleum equivalents in an era of unprecedentedly high oil prices....a country with a bankrupt treasury and a wasted currency, struggling with record trade deficit, a still imploding housing valuation and underlying financial crisis, record military expenditures and the most inequitable wealth distribtuion in the community of post industrialized countries, as unemployment and home mortgage foreclosures are in the early stages of a rising trend....all wrapped around a belligerent foreign policy that has alienated oil rich Venezuala, Russia, and Iran....while relations with China begin to erode.

highthief · 08-31-2008, 02:34 PM

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....and, last I looked...we're not considering the election of new leadership of just "any" country....it's about a country addicted to 13 million bbls a day of imported petroleum equivalents in an era of unprecedentedly high oil prices....a country with a bankrupt treasury and a wasted currency, struggling with record trade deficit, a still imploding housing valuation and underlying financial crisis, record military expenditures and the most inequitable wealth distribtuion in the community of post industrialized countries, as unemployment and home mortgage foreclosures are in the early stages of a rising trend....all wrapped around a belligerent foreign policy that has alienated oil rich Venezuala, Russia, and Iran....while relations with China begin to erode.

Heh, a very "American" response - you think the leadership of your nation is that much more important than the leadership of all our other nations? That your problems are worse than everyone elses?

Willravel · 08-31-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by highthief

Heh, a very "American" response - you think the leadership of your nation is that much more important than the leadership of all our other nations? That your problems are worse than everyone elses?

That's not what he said at all. He said that this country drinks up way too much oil and as such the election here has international consequences. If Canada were unstable, at war in the Middle East, and was using as much oil as the US, your elections would be similarly important. As it is, Canada is a much more stable country. Stability means the elections don't have to be an international problem because you guys seem to make good choices.

So, in fact, it's actually a compliment.

host · 08-31-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by highthief

Heh, a very "American" response - you think the leadership of your nation is that much more important than the leadership of all our other nations? That your problems are worse than everyone elses?

Don't get me wrong....your country faces the same looming "problem" as nearly every western person now faces:

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AC Grayling: Safe in our cages | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

...Once upon a time the authorities worked at frightening everyone into thinking that the unblinking eye of a deity exercised surveillance and data-gathering over them. Now we have Gordon Brown and Siemens, the real thing, not a myth: the unblinking eye of the security services, the local council, "other public bodies", in our bedrooms, our text messages, our emails, our internet searches. ....

...."once upon a time"????

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In Kabul, Obama calls Afghan front 'central' to war on terror ...
Jul 20, 2008 ... KABUL: Afghanistan must become "the central front" in the war on terror, Barack Obama said Sunday in the Afghan capital, sharpening his ...
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/...east/obama.php

"We have to understand that the situation is precarious and urgent here in Afghanistan, and I believe this has to be the central focus, the central front, in the battle against terrorism," Obama said in an interview with CBS News....

...."Losing is not an option when it comes to Al Qaeda, and it never has been," Obama told CBS....

....but Canada can function as self sufficient, with a sound currency, and without the obligations and liabilities that come to the leadership of a bankrupt and commodities dependent country that long postures as the world's policeman.....

Tully Mars · 08-31-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by highthief

Heh, a very "American" response - you think the leadership of your nation is that much more important than the leadership of all our other nations? That your problems are worse than everyone elses?

I think you're missing the point of his post.

highthief · 08-31-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tully Mars

I think you're missing the point of his post.

It wouldn't be the first time.

But you Americans still take yourselves and your politics far too seriously. You make such issues out of blow jobs, pregnancies, and smoking pot - as if any of it matters.

And so many of the things Host goes on about - house prices, the economy, worries about energy, international affairs ... you think you're the only nation with these worries? I'd say the UK is in virtually the same position, with the only difference being the UK doesn't have as far to fall as the US does.

Willravel · 08-31-2008, 03:37 PM

I got a blow job from a pregnant chick while high once. Trust me, it's great.

But seriously, the problem is that the US has the potential to start world war three because of our oil addiction and our governmental and corporate corruption that goes back for generations. I love Canada, I'm sure your military is formidable, but you guys really aren't going to start WW3. Neither is the UK, even with Blair 2: Let's Get this Party Started.

highthief · 09-01-2008, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Willravel

I got a blow job from a pregnant chick while high once. Trust me, it's great.

But seriously, the problem is that the US has the potential to start world war three because of our oil addiction and our governmental and corporate corruption that goes back for generations. I love Canada, I'm sure your military is formidable, but you guys really aren't going to start WW3. Neither is the UK, even with Blair 2: Let's Get this Party Started.

It has little to do with your leaders and everything to do with YOU, the American people. It matters little which of your virtually politically identical parties is in power, it's how you feel that matters.

You think the Shrub would've decided to invade Iraq had not the majority of Americans been supportive of the hair-brained concept to begin with? The president doesn't take a dump without a positive opinion poll or three.

Which leads me back to the point: While the way your succession works makes the VP a (potentially) important position, I'm not sure it's worth tearing your hair out over whether Palin has had 4 kids or 5.

Rekna · 09-01-2008, 07:25 AM

The kid is Palin's I have seen pictures of her where she is very pregnat.

ASU2003 · 09-01-2008, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by highthief

Do you Americans vote based on who the VP candidate is? That state of affairs doesn't really exist in many nations - parties are voted for, as are (to a large extent) party leaders. But who the Deputy Prime Minister is matters very little to nations like Canada, the UK, etc. Hell, I'm not sure I know who the Deputy PM is right now.

I know succession works a little differently in the US, but would even if Elvis was the running mate, would it really matter that much?

The VP choice does matter because if something happens to the President, they automatically become President for the remaining time (until Jan 20, 2013).

The secret service is good, but they aren't that good. I've noticed plenty of flaws in their security at these events. And there are health issues as well. Bad things can happen to anybody sometimes.

And currently, they often get the last word when dealing with major problems with the President.

snowy · 09-01-2008, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rekna

The kid is Palin's I have seen pictures of her where she is very pregnat.

Yes, the latest baby is in fact Palin's, as the news came out this morning that Palin's daughter, Bristol, is five months pregnant with her own child.

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Rekna · 09-01-2008, 08:59 AM

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Yes, the latest baby is in fact Palin's, as the news came out this morning that Palin's daughter, Bristol, is five months pregnant with her own child.

I just saw that and now we know how rumors can easily be started.

Tully Mars · 09-01-2008, 09:47 AM

Meh, I still say they kidnapped the down syndrome baby... from Madonna... who bought it on the down syndrome baby black market... which we all know is operated by space aliens.

Now can we go back to talking about where McCain and Palin stand on the issues?

Paq · 09-01-2008, 10:08 AM

sorry, back to the palin's daughter, bristol, story....

I love abstinence education....works so well..

Tully Mars · 09-01-2008, 10:50 AM

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"People are learning that she pandered to us by saying, I'm for this' ... and then when she found it was politically advantageous for her nationally, abruptly she starts using the very term that she said was insulting," Weinstein said.

Palin's spokeswoman in Alaska was not immediately available to comment.

Palin bridge to nowhere line angers many Alaskans | U.S. | Reuters

I'm guessing we can look forward to an onslaught of ads stating she was for the bridge before she was against it. Given she's on video, radio and in print making these comments I'd say this is a sign she is completely out of her element in national politics. I'm very surprised the McCain people would let her make these comments in her speech.

BTW-several sources are saying the bridge was killed but she kept the money for it to be used on other Alaskan projects. She claimed she sent the money back to Washington. Any one know if that's true or is it another rumor?

Rekna · 09-01-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tully Mars

Palin bridge to nowhere line angers many Alaskans | U.S. | Reuters

I'm guessing we can look forward to an onslaught of ads stating she was for the bridge before she was against it. Given she's on video, radio and in print making these comments I'd say this is a sign she is completely out of her element in national politics. I'm very surprised the McCain people would let her make these comments in her speech.

BTW-several sources are saying the bridge was killed but she kept the money for it to be used on other Alaskan projects. She claimed she sent the money back to Washington. Any one know if that's true or is it another rumor?

I know she kept at least some of the money. They built the highway to the bridge to no where even after they nixed the bridge because otherwise they would have had to give the money back.

08-31-2008, 11:03 AM	#255 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	Not that I was going to vote for him, but his choice makes the outlook clearer. 1) He's old and this woman could be president in the snap of a finger. NOT COOL. 2) He nominates a no-name female with no federal political experience, and somehow thinks its going to buy Clinton voters? Like the only issue they voted on was that she was female? NOT COOL. Based on these two reasons alone, why should anyone even dare to trust the presidency with McCain? __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

08-31-2008, 11:25 AM	#256 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	more generally, i would say that this is a good time to shut off your fucking television, stop relying on the circulation of lint that passes as "politics" on the 24/5 "news" channels, figure out what you think the present state of affairs in and with the united states is, read what the candidates are proposing to do or not do about them and then make an informed choice as to who to vote for. what passes for politics in the states is painfully idiotic. and it is a depressing thought that we still have 3 months to go in the context of which discussion about issues and relative merits of candidates will in all probability drowned out by the lint issuing from the televisual fuckwit class. we don't need to be dominated: we do it to ourselves. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

08-31-2008, 12:37 PM	#261 (permalink)
highthief Junkie Location: Ontario, Canada	Do you Americans vote based on who the VP candidate is? That state of affairs doesn't really exist in many nations - parties are voted for, as are (to a large extent) party leaders. But who the Deputy Prime Minister is matters very little to nations like Canada, the UK, etc. Hell, I'm not sure I know who the Deputy PM is right now. I know succession works a little differently in the US, but would even if Elvis was the running mate, would it really matter that much? __________________ Si vis pacem parabellum.

08-31-2008, 12:56 PM	#264 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	tactics over principle in this case, comrades: i'd rather vote nader, but i know he cannot win---but mc-cain can win, and that prospect is far more loathsome than any other---so supporting obama in the sense of voting for him is easy. if his only position was that on fisa, i wouldn't--but it isn't. he may be a creepy clintonian centrist in many ways, but he's better than john mc-cain. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

09-01-2008, 09:47 AM	#277 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Meh, I still say they kidnapped the down syndrome baby... from Madonna... who bought it on the down syndrome baby black market... which we all know is operated by space aliens. Now can we go back to talking about where McCain and Palin stand on the issues? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

08-31-2008, 06:16 AM	#241 (permalink)
ratbastid Darth Papa Location: Yonder	Just so everybody knows, here's what downtown Wasilla, Alaska looks like: Evidently there's a small strip mall behind the bar there, and... that's about it.

08-31-2008, 07:25 AM	#242 (permalink)
geothermal Upright	McCain's choice was pretty wise, even though he has only met the woman twice in his life I guess.... I mean if you have seen the movie Idiocracy, you will realize the average IQ of the USA is falling and falling over the decades and Palin and Wasilla, Alaska represent that trend downward spiral. Hopefully Obama wins to undo all that Bush messed up.

08-31-2008, 08:57 AM	#250 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	My state is pretty close to Canada, so you know, I know what's at stake with them corrupting our phonetic systems. Paaastaaaaah.

08-31-2008, 09:55 AM	#253 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	I live in California, which is by the ocean. I should see if the GOP is hiring marine biologists.

08-31-2008, 11:34 AM	#257 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	Speaking of shutting off news channels, twitter is kind of interesting right now. Do a search for RNC on twitter and you can find frequently updated tweets about the awesome things the Minneapolis and St. Paul police department are doing right now to potential protestors. For instance: Twitter / coldsnaplegal The great thing is that we (the local taxpayers) are paying them now to do this in the form of salary, and then we will be paying again when they lose all the civil rights abuse cases that will result from these incidents, and then we will continue to pay these folks to continue to "serve and protect" our peace. I know not all cops are bad, but when the good ones can't be bothered to differentiate themselves from the bad then I have a hard time not writing them all off as scumbags.

08-31-2008, 11:56 AM	#259 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	I know. It's a bit ridiculous. But then again, it seems like giving the average cop an excuse to use force is a bit like giving Paris Hilton an excuse to expose her genitals to photographers.

08-31-2008, 12:40 PM	#262 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	I'll never forgive Obama for supporting the FISA bill granting telecom immunity. Same with Pelosi and other party leadership. It just reaffirms my decision not to be a Democrat.

08-31-2008, 03:37 PM	#271 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	I got a blow job from a pregnant chick while high once. Trust me, it's great. But seriously, the problem is that the US has the potential to start world war three because of our oil addiction and our governmental and corporate corruption that goes back for generations. I love Canada, I'm sure your military is formidable, but you guys really aren't going to start WW3. Neither is the UK, even with Blair 2: Let's Get this Party Started.

09-01-2008, 07:25 AM	#273 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	The kid is Palin's I have seen pictures of her where she is very pregnat.

09-01-2008, 10:08 AM	#278 (permalink)
Paq Junkie Location: South Carolina	sorry, back to the palin's daughter, bristol, story.... I love abstinence education....works so well.. __________________ Live. Chris