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pan6467 · 08-29-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ratbastid

Then you'd be a lousy VP. THE problem with the current administration, fundamentally, is that Bush thinks he's the president of 51% of the people. And he calls that a mandate. NOBODY'S been watching the people's business.

First, I'm not ever going to be a VP candidate.

Secondly, yes I would look to help my home state BUT I would also be ethically responsible for bettering ALL of the country.

Thirdly, the VP has little power except as a tie breaker in the Senate.

Finally....... I am not, nor have ever been a fan of W's. I despise the man.

Rekna · 08-29-2008, 11:02 AM

Obama spent 8 years as a state senator likely representing more people than Palin did as governer of Alaska.

flstf · 08-29-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ratbastid

I have to confess, when I saw her picture in the first article about it I read, my very first thought was, "Is John McCain hitting that?"

She is quite interesting.
Advocates teaching creation theory in school.
In school played basketball was president of the "Fellowship of Christian Athletes" nicknamed "Sarah Barracuda"
Former beauty queen who hunts moose.
Named kids Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper and Trig Paxson Van Palin.

ottopilot · 08-29-2008, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rekna

Obama spent 8 years as a state senator likely representing more people than Palin did as governer of Alaska.

That's the key word... "represent"... like for a postal code or two. State senators do not govern, make executive decisions, manage a budget, nor direct foreign policy.

BTW - The State of Alaska has numerous international trading parters which include state run industries....

Rekna · 08-29-2008, 11:36 AM

I would take Obama's experience over Palin's any day. Then again I would take Obama's over McCain's also. When it comes to experience quality is greater than quantity and both of them are trumped by judgment, something McCain seriously lacks. He has been wrong on almost every major issue in the last 8 years. McCain does not have the judgement nor the temperament to be president.

Also by your argument McCain has no experience either as he has only "represented" people as a senator, he has never governed, made executive decisions, etc.

LoganSnake · 08-29-2008, 11:38 AM

This sounds promising.

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“As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I’m used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we’re trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question.”

McCain picks Alaska Gov. for VP - USATODAY.com

ottopilot · 08-29-2008, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rekna

I would take Obama's experience over Palin's any day. Then again I would take Obama's over McCain's also. When it comes to experience quality is greater than quantity and both of them are trumped by judgment, something McCain seriously lacks. He has been wrong on almost every major issue in the last 8 years. McCain does not have the judgement nor the temperament to be president.

Also by your argument McCain has no experience either as he has only "represented" people as a senator, he has never governed, made executive decisions, etc.

True, I am not a McCain supporter. I'm just pointing out that Obama has less practical leadership experience than Palin. That seems to be the question here. I would rarely back a senator for president.

roachboy · 08-29-2008, 12:05 PM

she is really quite far to the right.

Lasereth · 08-29-2008, 12:06 PM

I hate how so many people put up experience as a deciding factor in political figures. I saw a comic around recently that explained it perfectly.

*EDIT* I found it

Derwood · 08-29-2008, 12:22 PM

Can we shut up about experience?

mml · 08-29-2008, 12:30 PM

Palin is an interesting choice. She is fairly well-known among social conservatives, so she helps shore up support from the Republican base. She is also popular with the anti-tax crowd. She is likable, apparently smart, energetic, a good speaker and has a great story. Not being that well know, most will not know about how very conservative she really is and I think the McCain campaign is hoping to downplay how far to the right she really is. Finally, she has a very high approval rating from women, especially in the 35 - 50 age group, the very group that Obama has difficulty with. It appears McCain felt that with they way things are going, a Romney, Pawlenty or Ridge would not get him over the top. He knows that this is going to be a close election and needed to do something different, something that makes his ticket something special. He hopes she brings out the base and pulls some women, fiscal conservatives and independents.

All that being said, I can't say I think she is a great choice.

Tully Mars · 08-29-2008, 12:50 PM

Seems like an odd choice. I can't see how she could appeal to many of the women who supported Hilary. The differences between the two are night and day.

No way I'm voting for someone who wants to teach creationism as a science. But I was past even considering voting for McCain several flip flops ago.

Derwood · 08-29-2008, 12:54 PM

Executive Experience Scorecard:

Palin - 2 years
McCain - 0
Obama - 0
Biden - 0

Can we drop this argument now?

Tully Mars · 08-29-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Derwood

Executive Experience Scorecard:

Palin - 2 years
McCain - 0
Obama - 0
Biden - 0

Can we drop this argument now?

Fine by me.

flstf · 08-29-2008, 01:19 PM

This woman looks more interesting the more I read. She rides a Harley and likes to shoot AR-15s. Below she is shooting a 50 cal.

matthew330 · 08-29-2008, 01:23 PM

And I thought the McCain/Obama debate was going to be interesting.

Tully Mars · 08-29-2008, 01:32 PM

And her hobbies have what to do with her qualifications to be VP or POTUS how?

dc_dux · 08-29-2008, 01:33 PM

What it almost certainly does is take Alaska off the table for Obama.

Alaska has been trending a bit towards Obama, probably because of its two scandal plagued Republican officials - recently indicted Senator Ted Stevens and Congressman Don Young, who is still under investigation.

One of those red states Obama targeted and had a small, but realistic chance to pick-up is now done.

Tully Mars · 08-29-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dc_dux

What it almost certainly does is take Alaska off the table for Obama.

Alaska has been trending towards Obama, probably because of its two scandal plagued Republican officials - recently indicted Senator Ted Stevens and Congressman Don Young, who is still under investigation.

One of those red states Obama targeted and had a realistic chance to pick-up is now done.

Not sure Alaska was ever that much of an option for Obama. But I'd agree it's off the table now.

flstf · 08-29-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tully Mars

And her hobbies have what to do with her qualifications to be VP or POTUS how?

I don't know, people vote for all kinds of different reasons. Maybe soon we will see a photo of her and Hillary downing boilermakers in some blue collar tavern.

dc_dux · 08-29-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tully Mars

Not sure Alaska was ever that much of an option for Obama. But I'd agree it's off the table now.

Alaska has a senate race this year and unfortunately for the Republicans, it is 80+ year old Senator Stevens against the young mayor of Anchorage...and the mayor is running away it since Steven's indictment. The thought was reverse coattails could bring votes to Obama.

Oh well, at the very least, another pick-up for the Democrats in the Senate...one that they didnt expect this time last year.

Rekna · 08-29-2008, 02:05 PM

Also don't forget Palin has very close ties to Stevens and her reputation could be damaged by Steven's sins.

filtherton · 08-29-2008, 02:13 PM

It will be interesting to see her take on Biden in a debate.

kutulu · 08-29-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pan6467

Um she has fought pork in her state, she believes states should be self sufficient and she has fought corruption in her state:

Umm, here's what she actually had to say about the bridge before she was a VP candidate:

Did Palin Really Fight The ?Bridge To Nowhere?? - The Plank

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Did Palin Really Fight The “Bridge To Nowhere”?

Republicans have been heavily touting Sarah Palin's reformist credentials, with her supposed opposition to Alaska's "Bridge to Nowhere" as Exhibit A. But how hard did she really fight the project? Not very, it seems. Here's what she told the Anchorage Daily News on October 22, 2006, during the race for the governor's seat (via Nexis):

5. Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?

Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now--while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.

So she was very much for the bridge and insisted that Alaska had to act quickly—the party of Ted Stevens and Don Young might soon lose its majority, after all. By that point, the project was endangered for reasons that had nothing to do with Palin—the bridge had become a national laughingstock, Congress had stripped away the offending earmark, shifting the money back to the state's general fund, and future federal support seemed unlikely. True, after Palin was sworn into office that fall, her first budget didn't allocate any money for the bridge. But when the Daily News asked on December 16, 2006, if she now opposed the project, Palin demurred and said she was just trying to figure out where the bridge fit on the state's list of transportation priorities, given the lack of support from Congress. Finally, on September 19, 2007, she decided to redirect funds away from the project altogether with this sorry-sounding statement:

"Ketchikan desires a better way to reach the airport, but the $398 million bridge is not the answer," said Governor Palin. "Despite the work of our congressional delegation, we are about $329 million short of full funding for the bridge project, and it's clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island," Governor Palin added. "Much of the public's attitude toward Alaska bridges is based on inaccurate portrayals of the projects here. But we need to focus on what we can do, rather than fight over what has happened."

Maybe I've missed something, but it sure looks like she was fine with the bridge in principle, never had a problem with the earmarks, bristled at all the mockery, and only gave up on the project when it was clear that federal support wasn't forthcoming. Now, Charles Homans, who knows Alaska well, says Palin's anti-corruption instincts are fairly solid (she sold off the gubenatorial jet upon taking office, for one), and a casual Nexis search suggests that she's fiscally conservative (insofar as that term makes sense in a quasi-socialist state like Alaska), but this hardly looks like the "Mr. Smith Goes To Washington" moment everyone's making it out to be.

P.S. Here's a piece that Palin's special counsel, John Katz, wrote in March of this year for the Juneau Empire, assuring the Alaskan public that Palin was still very much in favor of earmarks, but sadly needed to scale back her requests somewhat (to "only" 31 earmarks this year—down from 54 last year) in response to "unwanted attention" from Congress and the press.

She didn't get through her first day without lying. Oh well, if the Republicans act like it's true then it must be.

highthief · 08-29-2008, 02:54 PM

Not American, but having a MILF in office has some appeal.

blade02 · 08-29-2008, 03:08 PM

I like her as a VP pick, just on the fact that I saw the term "VPILF" today. That alone has been the bright spot of this election cycle.

Tully Mars · 08-29-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by flstf

I don't know, people vote for all kinds of different reasons. Maybe soon we will see a photo of her and Hillary downing boilermakers in some blue collar tavern.

I know, it's just always struck me odd that people will vote on these issues and forgo actually looking into whether or not they agree with the person's ideals and positions

forseti-6 · 08-29-2008, 03:14 PM

Well my comment is a little late to this post, but, WHO?

I might have heard her name in passing a few times, but I wasn't even aware she was being vetted.

Tully Mars · 08-29-2008, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kutulu

Umm, here's what she actually had to say about the bridge before she was a VP candidate:

Did Palin Really Fight The ?Bridge To Nowhere?? - The Plank

She didn't get through her first day without lying. Oh well, if the Republicans act like it's true then it must be.

Don't tell me you're surprised. They'll repeat this often enough and loud enough at least 60% of the voting people will believe it regardless of any facts.
-----Added 29/8/2008 at 07 : 19 : 08-----

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Originally Posted by highthief

Not American, but having a MILF in office has some appeal.

Do her? Probably. Vote for her based on her ideas, not happening.

percy · 08-29-2008, 03:19 PM

I would say get used to saying President Obama because McCain just blew it. Women across the United States will take this announcement as patronizing in the worse way. It is almost insulting. McCain just revealed how desperate and out of touch he really is. His next job should be firing his strategists since his semblance in this race to the White House is almost non-existent, and when he does get media attention, it never seems to be positive(damned liberal media)

Willravel · 08-29-2008, 03:29 PM

Why would McCain remove "no experience" from his arsenal against Obama? Are his campaign people Democrats?

Tully Mars · 08-29-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by percy

I would say get used to saying President Obama because McCain just blew it. Women across the United States will take this announcement as patronizing in the worse way. It is almost insulting. McCain just revealed how desperate and out of touch he really is. His next job should be firing his strategists since his semblance in this race to the White House is almost non-existent, and when he does get media attention, it never seems to be positive(damned liberal media)

I really see this as a hail Mary (that's the correct term right?) by McCain. Which I find odd given the way the polls are going. I seriously would have put money on Romney prior to the announcement. Looks like a really tight race to me. Based on the GOP's approval rating and Bush's it seems to me Obama should be 10-15 points up.

I think the Dems should be really wary of being over confident. This race is no where near in the bag, IMHO.

Charlatan · 08-29-2008, 04:28 PM

She props McCain up nicely with the Christian Conservative vote.
She brings the look of change and youth to McCain's stodgy look.

If elections are about appearances, McCain just made a great choice.

But lets she how she does on the campaign trail. Things haven't even begun.

ASU2003 · 08-29-2008, 05:02 PM

As someone who infiltrated the Republican gathering today, I'll tell you about it.

There were quite a few people there. And except for one secret service agent, I had the darkest skin (because I got sunburned 10 days ago).

Both parties suck at distributing tickets. I was really lucky just to get in, and as you can see I had to stand in the far back corner, but at least I could see. There were more people behind me.

What I found interesting was that McCain had local college cheerleaders and a modern rock bad (they played Finger Eleven - Paralizer...the people around me were in their 60's-80's) But I liked it.

And the first hand experience when they announced Sarah Palin was a lot of excitement. The Republican base (especially Republican women) were happy and crying and quite excited. And compared to him announcing Huckabee, Romney, or Giuliani; she is someone that Republicans can get behind.

What I thought when I first saw her was, is that Laura Roslin? I'm such a nerd. For the small group that doesn't know who she is, it's from the newer Battlestar Glactica SciFi channel TV series. Roslin was the sec. of Education before the cylon machines attacked and killed everyone in the government, so she became President and while there were some issues, she did a pretty good job.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p...tya_bsg_81.jpg

http://www.gateworld.net/galactica/m...aphics/049.jpg

They look alike...which one is which?

http://web.me.com/dnksr/vpilf.com/SA...palin_t575.jpg

And if you haven't seen it yet: VPilf.com They guessed it before I made the OP.

Blackthorn · 08-29-2008, 05:04 PM

In any election you're going to win 40 and lose 40... it's the 20 inbetween that are going to make or break you. This choice smells of desperation but it's also one that's pretty cagey and certainly adds an element of interest that otherwise would have been spam on a plate had he chosen Romney or Ridge... at least the rest of the election season will now be entertaining!

ASU2003 · 08-29-2008, 05:09 PM

And I agree that we will all know a lot more about her in the next week or two. Picking her will mean that I can't write off voting Republican (I currently think McCain would be better for me, but Obama would be better for the nation right now). And the VP debates just went from a boring TV show that no one would have watched to a must see prime-time event.

roachboy · 08-29-2008, 05:15 PM

seems to me that the republicans have to keep turnout low to win.
i dont' think they can do it.
polin isn't going to help them, if that's the case.

ASU2003 · 08-29-2008, 05:31 PM

There were more Republicans at this event than the Obama event in January. True, this was a special occasion, but I wouldn't underestimate the number of Republicans in Ohio that always vote, and will now be voting for sure. Unless some mistake happens.

jorgelito · 08-29-2008, 06:11 PM

I saw quite a few "dark peoples" in your pictures ASU.

She does remind me of Laura Roslin. When I first saw her i did a double take. That and also she came from nowhere, a virtual unknown. Also (stretching here) I get the feeling they share similar politics (remember the whole ban abortion thing)?

Anyways, Laura Roslin did a great job so who knows, maybe Sara Palin will turn out good too.

ASU2003 · 08-29-2008, 06:36 PM

I was just saying that there may have been less than 100 there out of 15,000. At the Obama rally there was between 3,000-4,000 out of 11,000.

(Obama Rally)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3287/...7cd038ce_o.jpg

08-29-2008, 12:05 PM	#168 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	she is really quite far to the right. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

08-29-2008, 12:30 PM	#171 (permalink)
mml Adrift Location: Wandering in the Desert of Life	Palin is an interesting choice. She is fairly well-known among social conservatives, so she helps shore up support from the Republican base. She is also popular with the anti-tax crowd. She is likable, apparently smart, energetic, a good speaker and has a great story. Not being that well know, most will not know about how very conservative she really is and I think the McCain campaign is hoping to downplay how far to the right she really is. Finally, she has a very high approval rating from women, especially in the 35 - 50 age group, the very group that Obama has difficulty with. It appears McCain felt that with they way things are going, a Romney, Pawlenty or Ridge would not get him over the top. He knows that this is going to be a close election and needed to do something different, something that makes his ticket something special. He hopes she brings out the base and pulls some women, fiscal conservatives and independents. All that being said, I can't say I think she is a great choice. __________________ Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." -Douglas Adams

08-29-2008, 12:50 PM	#172 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Seems like an odd choice. I can't see how she could appeal to many of the women who supported Hilary. The differences between the two are night and day. No way I'm voting for someone who wants to teach creationism as a science. But I was past even considering voting for McCain several flip flops ago. __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

08-29-2008, 01:19 PM	#175 (permalink)
flstf Easy Rider Location: Moscow on the Ohio	This woman looks more interesting the more I read. She rides a Harley and likes to shoot AR-15s. Below she is shooting a 50 cal. Last edited by flstf; 08-29-2008 at 01:24 PM..

08-29-2008, 01:32 PM	#177 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	And her hobbies have what to do with her qualifications to be VP or POTUS how? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

08-29-2008, 11:02 AM	#162 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	Obama spent 8 years as a state senator likely representing more people than Palin did as governer of Alaska.

08-29-2008, 11:36 AM	#165 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	I would take Obama's experience over Palin's any day. Then again I would take Obama's over McCain's also. When it comes to experience quality is greater than quantity and both of them are trumped by judgment, something McCain seriously lacks. He has been wrong on almost every major issue in the last 8 years. McCain does not have the judgement nor the temperament to be president. Also by your argument McCain has no experience either as he has only "represented" people as a senator, he has never governed, made executive decisions, etc.

08-29-2008, 12:06 PM	#169 (permalink)
Lasereth Knight of the Old Republic Location: Winston-Salem, NC	I hate how so many people put up experience as a deciding factor in political figures. I saw a comic around recently that explained it perfectly. EDIT I found it

08-29-2008, 12:22 PM	#170 (permalink)
Derwood Who You Crappin? Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	Can we shut up about experience?

08-29-2008, 12:54 PM	#173 (permalink)
Derwood Who You Crappin? Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	Executive Experience Scorecard: Palin - 2 years McCain - 0 Obama - 0 Biden - 0 Can we drop this argument now?

08-29-2008, 01:23 PM	#176 (permalink)
matthew330 Banned	And I thought the McCain/Obama debate was going to be interesting.

08-29-2008, 01:33 PM	#178 (permalink)
dc_dux Location: Washington DC	What it almost certainly does is take Alaska off the table for Obama. Alaska has been trending a bit towards Obama, probably because of its two scandal plagued Republican officials - recently indicted Senator Ted Stevens and Congressman Don Young, who is still under investigation. One of those red states Obama targeted and had a small, but realistic chance to pick-up is now done. __________________ "The perfect is the enemy of the good." ~ Voltaire Last edited by dc_dux; 08-29-2008 at 01:43 PM..

08-29-2008, 02:05 PM	#182 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	Also don't forget Palin has very close ties to Stevens and her reputation could be damaged by Steven's sins.

08-29-2008, 02:13 PM	#183 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	It will be interesting to see her take on Biden in a debate.

08-29-2008, 02:54 PM	#185 (permalink)
highthief Junkie Location: Ontario, Canada	Not American, but having a MILF in office has some appeal. __________________ Si vis pacem parabellum.

08-29-2008, 03:08 PM	#186 (permalink)
blade02 Insane	I like her as a VP pick, just on the fact that I saw the term "VPILF" today. That alone has been the bright spot of this election cycle.

08-29-2008, 03:14 PM	#188 (permalink)
forseti-6 Existentialist Location: New York City	Well my comment is a little late to this post, but, WHO? I might have heard her name in passing a few times, but I wasn't even aware she was being vetted. __________________ "Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened." - Dr. Seuss

08-29-2008, 03:19 PM	#190 (permalink)
percy Addict	I would say get used to saying President Obama because McCain just blew it. Women across the United States will take this announcement as patronizing in the worse way. It is almost insulting. McCain just revealed how desperate and out of touch he really is. His next job should be firing his strategists since his semblance in this race to the White House is almost non-existent, and when he does get media attention, it never seems to be positive(damned liberal media)

08-29-2008, 03:29 PM	#191 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Why would McCain remove "no experience" from his arsenal against Obama? Are his campaign people Democrats?

08-29-2008, 04:28 PM	#193 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	She props McCain up nicely with the Christian Conservative vote. She brings the look of change and youth to McCain's stodgy look. If elections are about appearances, McCain just made a great choice. But lets she how she does on the campaign trail. Things haven't even begun. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

08-29-2008, 05:02 PM	#194 (permalink)
ASU2003 immoral minority Location: Back in Ohio	As someone who infiltrated the Republican gathering today, I'll tell you about it. There were quite a few people there. And except for one secret service agent, I had the darkest skin (because I got sunburned 10 days ago). Both parties suck at distributing tickets. I was really lucky just to get in, and as you can see I had to stand in the far back corner, but at least I could see. There were more people behind me. What I found interesting was that McCain had local college cheerleaders and a modern rock bad (they played Finger Eleven - Paralizer...the people around me were in their 60's-80's) But I liked it. And the first hand experience when they announced Sarah Palin was a lot of excitement. The Republican base (especially Republican women) were happy and crying and quite excited. And compared to him announcing Huckabee, Romney, or Giuliani; she is someone that Republicans can get behind. What I thought when I first saw her was, is that Laura Roslin? I'm such a nerd. For the small group that doesn't know who she is, it's from the newer Battlestar Glactica SciFi channel TV series. Roslin was the sec. of Education before the cylon machines attacked and killed everyone in the government, so she became President and while there were some issues, she did a pretty good job. http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p...tya_bsg_81.jpg http://www.gateworld.net/galactica/m...aphics/049.jpg They look alike...which one is which? http://web.me.com/dnksr/vpilf.com/SA...palin_t575.jpg And if you haven't seen it yet: VPilf.com They guessed it before I made the OP.

08-29-2008, 05:04 PM	#195 (permalink)
Blackthorn Beware the Mad Irish Location: Wish I was on the N17...	In any election you're going to win 40 and lose 40... it's the 20 inbetween that are going to make or break you. This choice smells of desperation but it's also one that's pretty cagey and certainly adds an element of interest that otherwise would have been spam on a plate had he chosen Romney or Ridge... at least the rest of the election season will now be entertaining! __________________ What are you willing to give up in order to get what you want?

08-29-2008, 05:09 PM	#196 (permalink)
ASU2003 immoral minority Location: Back in Ohio	And I agree that we will all know a lot more about her in the next week or two. Picking her will mean that I can't write off voting Republican (I currently think McCain would be better for me, but Obama would be better for the nation right now). And the VP debates just went from a boring TV show that no one would have watched to a must see prime-time event.

08-29-2008, 05:15 PM	#197 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	seems to me that the republicans have to keep turnout low to win. i dont' think they can do it. polin isn't going to help them, if that's the case. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

08-29-2008, 05:31 PM	#198 (permalink)
ASU2003 immoral minority Location: Back in Ohio	There were more Republicans at this event than the Obama event in January. True, this was a special occasion, but I wouldn't underestimate the number of Republicans in Ohio that always vote, and will now be voting for sure. Unless some mistake happens.

08-29-2008, 06:11 PM	#199 (permalink)
jorgelito All important elusive independent swing voter... Location: People's Republic of KKKalifornia	I saw quite a few "dark peoples" in your pictures ASU. She does remind me of Laura Roslin. When I first saw her i did a double take. That and also she came from nowhere, a virtual unknown. Also (stretching here) I get the feeling they share similar politics (remember the whole ban abortion thing)? Anyways, Laura Roslin did a great job so who knows, maybe Sara Palin will turn out good too. __________________ "The race is not always to the swift, nor battle to the strong, but to the one that endures to the end." "Demand more from yourself, more than anyone else could ever ask!" - My recruiter

08-29-2008, 06:36 PM	#200 (permalink)
ASU2003 immoral minority Location: Back in Ohio	I was just saying that there may have been less than 100 there out of 15,000. At the Obama rally there was between 3,000-4,000 out of 11,000. (Obama Rally) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3287/...7cd038ce_o.jpg