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abaya · 08-29-2008, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by pan6467

McCain just played a trump card and destroyed Obama. Obama will have a very hard time overcoming this.

Um... no. You must be fantasizing.

ratbastid · 08-29-2008, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ottopilot

Well of course newspapers have a significant delay, so afternoon and evening editions would be more indicative.

I've been watching MSNBC, the most Obama-friendly news channel... mostly hubbub on who McCain's VP choice would be, very little on Obama. Since the choice of Palin broke, wall-to-wall McCain / Palin issues.

Brilliant move by McCain yanking media coverage away from Obama...no "basking in the glow" for the anointed one. However, a very risky move for the republicans going with such an unknown and inexperienced running mate.

Jesus christ, this is SMART to you? Look at what the stories are saying--how weird this choice is. I mean dear god: McCain could shoot himself in the head and grab the headlines for a week or more too.

Don't you see, he now has to RUN with this woman? Her positions contain significant mismatches against his, she has WAY less experience than Obama does and is actually YOUNGER than Obama--so now the old "not ready to lead" saw is out the window--and no state in the nation has fewer electoral votes than hers (although a few, including Vermont, North Dakota, and the District of Colombia tie for least). And she's ALREADY got an active pseudo-scandal working in her state administration. That may turn out to be nothing, but even so, where the hell were McCain's vetters?? Literally ALL she has going for her is her vagina.

I can't fathom what the McCain campaign thinks it's doing here. This choice is just bizarre. The only thing they did right was, as you say, otto, the timing.

Obama just brought a MASSIVE piece of firepower into his campaign. McCain brought in an arguably tained puffball. I think I hear echoes of Harriet Myers' SCOTUS nomination....

GonadWarrior · 08-29-2008, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dc_dux

A very strange pick indeed, if it turns out to be the case.

A candidates with virtually no political experience - just over one year as governor and mayor of a small town prior to that....no economic experience (McCain's weakness) and even less foreign policy experience.
The idea she may attract some Clinton females voters is nonsense. She is an anti-choice activist and has little to offer those voters in terms of health care and children/family policy or other social issues that match their core beliefs.

I agree it may create a buzz for a few days, but not necessarily in a good way.

This is not a good argument to put forth if you are an Obama supporter.

Poppinjay · 08-29-2008, 07:33 AM

Uh... what? A term as a U.S. Senator is less experience than one year as governor of a state that pretty much runs itself?

I mean really, I was all for Hillary, but this choice just seems stupid.

GonadWarrior · 08-29-2008, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ratbastid

Jesus christ, this is SMART to you? Look at what the stories are saying--how weird this choice is. I mean dear god: McCain could shoot himself in the head and grab the headlines for a week or more too.

Don't you see, he now has to RUN with this woman? Her positions contain significant mismatches against his, she has WAY less experience than Obama does and is actually YOUNGER than Obama--so now the old "not ready to lead" saw is out the window--and no state in the nation has fewer electoral votes than hers (although a few, including Vermont, North Dakota, and the District of Colombia tie for least). And she's ALREADY got an active pseudo-scandal working in her state administration. That may turn out to be nothing, but even so, where the hell were McCain's vetters?? Literally ALL she has going for her is her vagina.

I can't fathom what the McCain campaign thinks it's doing here. This choice is just bizarre. The only thing they did right was, as you say, otto, the timing.

Obama just brought a MASSIVE piece of firepower into his campaign. McCain brought in an arguably tained puffball. I think I hear echoes of Harriet Myers' SCOTUS nomination....

Obama is toast. There are Republicans as well as Democrats who were willing to vote for Hillary solely because of her gender. How is Obama going to try to smear her now? Her age? Lack of experience?

Let the pandering begin.

dc_dux · 08-29-2008, 07:39 AM

Gonad...you dont see how this completely undercuts McCain's argument that Obama is not ready for the job....when his own choice for VP is even less ready?

Frosstbyte · 08-29-2008, 07:39 AM

Now, I'm making a gross generalization, but the kind of women I know who would vote for a woman "just because she's a woman" would stop that the instant they found out how ridiculously conservative Palin is on all social issues. It's pretty much that simple. Whatever value she may have as a woman is all but decimated because her social policy has its roots in the 1950s.

aceventura3 · 08-29-2008, 07:51 AM

Prior to McCain's VP selection I had no intention of voting for him and I assumed he would pick Romney. With Palin on the ticket I am likely to vote for McCain and I may get involved as a volunteer. I like the fact that she is as far away from inside the beltway as you can get, I like her youth in contrast to McCain's age, I like that she is a governor rather than a legislator, I like that she is from an "oil" state, I like her conservative credentials, I like that she is active and has interests outside of politics, and she seems to be a winner.

In the last 12 hours or so, we really see the contrast between the two parties. On one hand we get the words and fireworks from Obama talking about change while everyone around him is the old guard (Clinton, Gore, Biden, Pelosi, Clinton, Kerry, Carter, etc.) And the first major decision by McCain is to bring in new blood. Empty words compared to action. I have to side with action.

pan6467 · 08-29-2008, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Frosstbyte

Now, I'm making a gross generalization, but the kind of women I know who would vote for a woman "just because she's a woman" would stop that the instant they found out how ridiculously conservative Palin is on all social issues. It's pretty much that simple. Whatever value she may have as a woman is all but decimated because her social policy has its roots in the 1950s.

Palin has PLENTY to smear about that doesn't include her age and experience. She has no track record or knowledge on foreign policy, a sketchy social policy, no real history with economic policy and an ongoing scandal about abuse of power.

Look at it this way...... Obama will have to turn to his VP Biden, who couldn't buy a vote, to answer questions on Iraq, on foreign policy, on what goes on in the world that doesn't revolve around his ego.

Meanwhile, McCain can train his VP on how to be bipartisan, on foreign policy, and what it takes to be a true leader.

Gee...... what a choice there.

Where are you Hillary???????

aceventura3 · 08-29-2008, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dc_dux

Gonad...you dont see how this completely undercuts McCain's argument that Obama is not ready for the job....when his own choice for VP is even less ready?

Is that McCain's argument or was it Biden's? Was it McCain's argument or was it Clinton's?

pan6467 · 08-29-2008, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by aceventura3

Prior to McCain's VP selection I had no intention of voting for him and I assumed he would pick Romney. With Palin on the ticket I am likely to vote for McCain and I may get involved as a volunteer. I like the fact that she is as far away from inside the beltway as you can get, I like her youth in contrast to McCain's age, I like that she is a governor rather than a legislator, I like that she is from an "oil" state, I like her conservative credentials, I like that she is active and has interests outside of politics, and she seems to be a winner.

In the last 12 hours or so, we really see the contrast between the two parties. On one hand we get the words and fireworks from Obama talking about change while everyone around him is the old guard (Clinton, Gore, Biden, Pelosi, Clinton, Kerry, Carter, etc.) And the first major decision by McCain is to bring in new blood. Empty words compared to action. I have to side with action.

Quoted for truth.

God.... I am scared now, Ace and I agree.

abaya · 08-29-2008, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GonadWarrior

Obama is toast. There are Republicans as well as Democrats who were willing to vote for Hillary solely because of her gender. How is Obama going to try to smear her now? Her age? Lack of experience?

Um, how about her being PRO-LIFE??? If you think the average Hillary-feminazi is going to vote for an evangelical pro-lifer, take another look at your avatar and think again.

aceventura3 · 08-29-2008, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Frosstbyte

Now, I'm making a gross generalization, but the kind of women I know who would vote for a woman "just because she's a woman" would stop that the instant they found out how ridiculously conservative Palin is on all social issues. It's pretty much that simple. Whatever value she may have as a woman is all but decimated because her social policy has its roots in the 1950s.

Why are people making the assumption that McCain picked her because she is going to get the Clinton female vote. Liberal women are still going to be liberal at the end of the day. Perhaps, he picked her because he did not like the others that were on the media's list. It was clear to me that McCain did not like Romney, I would have saw it as dishonest if he had picked Romney as a running mate. And, again I think the mentality of being a governor is more important than being a legislator for executive office.

dc_dux · 08-29-2008, 08:00 AM

ace...I understand how the pick may help with conservative-leaning votes like you (and I am not saying that in a disparaging way).

I just done see any rationale for how it will help with Independent swing voters, particularly women who dont share her social policy positions.

aceventura3 · 08-29-2008, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by pan6467

Quoted for truth.

God.... I am scared now, Ace and I agree.

What's that saying about a broken clock, so we can expect to agree at least one more time.

Frosstbyte · 08-29-2008, 08:05 AM

Why are you putting so much stock in the VP choice, ace and pan? VPs are notoriously meaningless and ineffectual. Cheney may be a fairly strong exception to that rule, but that had everything to do with Bush's weakness as a leader. I don't think either Obama or McCain will be the type of president that is going to cede as much power to his veep as we've seen recently, so other than looking good on paper, I don't see where they bring a lot to the table.

If you weren't going to vote for McCain beforehand, I don't think his package has changed a lot because of Palin. He is still the same guy with the same goals. He brought in someone with great conservative credentials, as you noted, but I don't think she's going to have much impact on his policy or direction.

aceventura3 · 08-29-2008, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dc_dux

ace...I understand how the pick may help with conservative-leaning votes like you (and I am not saying that in a disparaging way).

I just done see any rationale for how it will help with Independent swing voters, particularly women who dont share her social policy positions.

A short list of issues swing voters may find important that she can help bring clarity to:

Oil exploration
Environment
Health and Family issues
Being the parent of a child in the military
Second Amendment rights

I doubt the abortion issue will be the deciding factor for most independents. I think the VP debates will show a big contrast, my bets will be on her.

Derwood · 08-29-2008, 08:11 AM

what a terrible pick for McCain

Poppinjay · 08-29-2008, 08:15 AM

She's in the tank for BP. You think that'll win her votes?

Being from an oil state, maybe. Beholden to an oil company? No.

ottopilot · 08-29-2008, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ratbastid

Jesus christ, this is SMART to you? Look at what the stories are saying--how weird this choice is. I mean dear god: McCain could shoot himself in the head and grab the headlines for a week or more too.

If you recall in my post that you responded to, I said

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Originally Posted by ottopilot

However, a very risky move for the republicans going with such an unknown and inexperienced running mate.

aceventura3 · 08-29-2008, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Frosstbyte

Why are you putting so much stock in the VP choice, ace and pan? VPs are notoriously meaningless and ineffectual. Cheney may be a fairly strong exception to that rule, but that had everything to do with Bush's weakness as a leader.

1) It is a pleasant surprise. I expected McCain to go with conventional wisdom. My perception of him was that he was too political.

2) I think people like Palin are going to be our future. I am looking forward to seeing how she does so that in four years, we have something to be excited about.

3) The contrast between talking about change and actually changing. The contrast between Obama and McCain crystallized for me in the past 12 hours.

4) I like people who project an image of an outdoors man. I have a bias against "soft" intellectual types.

5) I think Cheney has set a new standard for the VP, I think under Bidden or Palin we can expect the VP to be more active than in the past.

Poppinjay · 08-29-2008, 08:20 AM

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2) I think people like Palin are going to be our future. I am looking forward to seeing how she does so that in four years, we have something to be excited about.

A white, conservative christian is the future. Woo hoo. Never had that before. Beholden to oil lobbyists, that's completely new. A soccer mom, never heard about them before.

The wave of the future is 1956!

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4) I like people who project an image of an outdoors man. I have a bias against "soft" intellectual types.

Uh, she has a vag. She's not an outdoors man. I bet you must have a love/hate feel for John Muir.

pan6467 · 08-29-2008, 08:28 AM

I think for the McCain ticket, it is extremely important who his VP is. He may not make 4 years.

Se has an 80% approval in her state, obviously she can unite people.

She has fought against those corrupt in her state. She has fought for her state to be self sufficient ..... state's rights are important to me, she stands for her beliefs:

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Governor Murkowski appointed Palin Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission,[8] where she served from 2003 to 2004 until resigning in protest over what she called the "lack of ethics" of fellow Alaskan Republican leaders, who ignored her whistleblowing complaints of legal violations and conflicts of interest.[4] After she resigned, she exposed the state Republican party's chairman, Randy Ruedrich, one of her fellow Oil & Gas commissioners, who was accused of doing work for the party on public time, and supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive e-mail.[9] Palin filed formal complaints against both Ruedrich and former Alaska Attorney General Gregg Renkes, who both resigned; Ruedrich paid a record $12,000 fine.[4]

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Highlights of Governor Palin's tenure include a successful push for an ethics bill, and also shelving pork-barrel projects supported by fellow Republicans. Palin successfully killed the Bridge to Nowhere project that had become a nationwide symbol of wasteful earmark spending.[11][12] "Alaska needs to be self-sufficient, she says, instead of relying heavily on 'federal dollars,' as the state does today."[13]

She has challenged the state's Republican leaders, helping to launch a campaign by Lieutenant Governor Sean Parnell to unseat U.S. Congressman Don Young[14] and publicly challenging Senator Ted Stevens to come clean about the federal investigation into his financial dealings.[11]

In 2007, Palin had an approval rating often in the 90s.[13] A poll published by Hays Research on July 28, 2008 showed Palin's approval rating at 80%.[15]

I think it is a tremendously kick ass choice.

As for abortion...... does anyone truly believe Roe v. Wade will ever be overturned? It's a non issue for me. The Dems will still own Congress.....If that's the only issue you want to vote for, good for you, but I choose to want to better the whole country.

I still believe these 2 candidates to be the worst choice this country has ever seen, but now, now with Palin...... it makes it somewhat better. Hell, a WHOLE lot better.

As for the reply above "see you avatar" to that again, I say, truly study Lennon, you maybe surprised at what you find.

Willravel · 08-29-2008, 08:29 AM

Oh, it's Palin. That's interesting.

Poppinjay · 08-29-2008, 08:33 AM

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does anyone truly believe Roe v. Wade will ever be overturned?

Have you not been paying attention the last 8 years? Abortion rights have been severley restricted. It's nice that you, as a man, don't have to worry about it.

GonadWarrior · 08-29-2008, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by abaya

Um, how about her being PRO-LIFE??? If you think the average Hillary-feminazi is going to vote for an evangelical pro-lifer, take another look at your avatar and think again.

Obama's candidacy is no more than a gigantic race card. White guilt (although to the best of my knowledge, he doesn't have any slaves in his lineage) along with the African bloc, could have propelled him over the top and into office. He really has no other qualifications. Certainly not a decent voting record, or any accomplishments to point out. If he were white, he wouldn't have advanced past a city council position. Okay, maybe he'd be a mayor by now.

Additionally, a woman can get away with being pro-lfe; it's just men that can't. With the number of women who are ready to see a woman in the white house, it's extremely likely that the thought of such a situation will trump the abortion issue, which shouldn't be a political issue, anyway.

McCain has pretty much taken away the age argument, and he's playing a gender card against the race card. Scare tactics about Mormons are now moot, as well.

It's doubtful that with McCain's reputation as a maverick, Obama can make his current attempt to label McCain as another Bush sway the electorate. McCain also might not hesitate to point out to the "No more Bush!' faction that it was Republicans who had black secretaries of state, namely Powell and Rice. The Democrats gave us Joycelyn Elders.

First Latino AG? Appointed by Bush.

Barring a skeleton surfacing (not much chance of a bimbo eruption), I like McCain's chances.

Frosstbyte · 08-29-2008, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by pan6467

I think for the McCain ticket, it is extremely important who his VP is. He may not make 4 years.

Se has an 80% approval in her state, obviously she can unite people.

She has fought against those corrupt in her state. She has fought for her state to be self sufficient ..... state's rights are important to me, she stands for her beliefs:

If she had an 80% approval rating in a large, diverse state I think you'd have something there. Alaska isn't really what I think of when I think about a state with a multiplicity of viewpoints that need to be united over objections. I mean, I guess it means they think she's doing alright, but that's not really a strong indicator of her ability to bring people together.

pan6467 · 08-29-2008, 08:36 AM

That beehive hairdo has to go.

A Steel Worker's union commercial fisherman worker for her husband????? Oh my.

A son in Iraq????? Oh my.

Parents who worked in the schools????? Oh My.

I seriously doubt that we will ever return to the 50's. Scare tactics much?

GonadWarrior · 08-29-2008, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Poppinjay

Have you not been paying attention the last 8 years? Abortion rights have been severley restricted. It's nice that you, as a man, don't have to worry about it.

Welcome to the world of gun laws.

/threadjack

Poppinjay · 08-29-2008, 08:38 AM

She's been in one year, what do you think's going to come from an approval poll? Bush I and II both had numbers in that range at one point from the entire country. Bush II is now at 19%

ottopilot · 08-29-2008, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Poppinjay

A white, conservative christian is the future. Woo hoo. Never had that before. Beholden to oil lobbyists, that's completely new. A soccer mom, never heard about them before.

The wave of the future is 1956!

Is this the voice of tolerance and equality? Would a token ethnic gay be the PC choice?

I do not see Obama as a black candidate. However, I understand how it is human nature to make such distinctions. We should always choose the best qualified for the job. In my opinion, NEITHER of the presidential candidates are qualified to be president. For as much as Obama chose Biden over Hillary (or Bill Richardson, a Hispanic), I'm sure your outrage was equally expressed. We just have to assume these jokers are picking the best qualified to suit their ambitions.

Baraka_Guru · 08-29-2008, 08:39 AM

I can't shake the thought that this simply looks like a stunt.

I'll have to wait to see how this pans out before formulating a stronger opinion.

Poppinjay · 08-29-2008, 08:40 AM

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Is this the voice of tolerance and equality? Would a token ethnic gay be the PC choice?

Did you somehow miss the quote this was in answer to or are you purposefully being obtuse?

dc_dux · 08-29-2008, 08:42 AM

I thing anyone objectively has to wonder about her depth of knowledge about the two most critical issues to most Americans -- the economy and national security.

IMO, she probably has alot of homework to do before her debate with Biden on oct. 2.

pan6467 · 08-29-2008, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dc_dux

I thing anyone objectively has to wonder about her depth of knowledge about the two most critical issues to most Americans -- the economy and national security.

IMO, she probably has alot of homework to do before her debate with Biden on oct. 2.

And Obama doesn't????

LOL.

dc_dux · 08-29-2008, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by pan6467

And Obama doesn't????

LOL.

I said OBJECTIVELY

Whether you agree or disagree with his positions on the economy and national security, if you dont think Obama can speak off the cuff and in depth about those issues, you really are not listening....no surprise.

abaya · 08-29-2008, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by pan6467

As for the reply above "see you avatar" to that again, I say, truly study Lennon, you maybe surprised at what you find.

Uh, Pan, I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about GonadWarrior and the avatar of the uterus.

ottopilot · 08-29-2008, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Poppinjay

Did you somehow miss the quote this was in answer to or are you purposefully being obtuse?

Caught the quote and response. I felt I was very clear. Is there a problem with being white and Christian? What ethnicity and religion should a VP candidate "be"? I believe Joe Biden is a white Christian.

abaya · 08-29-2008, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Derwood

what a terrible pick for McCain

Well, if it contributes to him losing, then it's a fantastic pick in my opinion.

pan6467 · 08-29-2008, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Poppinjay

She's been in one year, what do you think's going to come from an approval poll? Bush I and II both had numbers in that range at one point from the entire country. Bush II is now at 19%

Let's see...... Gov. Ted Strickland Democrat in Ohio, whom I supported and still do even though he isn't accomplishing shit..... took office from a very scandal ridden GOP governor that along with some others almost destroyed the party here. And what approval numbers does Strickland, who has just as much time in office as Palin, have?

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Strickland's approval ratings have steadily dropped from his highest point when the took office due to the state's economy, and several corruption scandals in his administration that came to light in early 2008. By July 2008 Strickland's overall approval rating was down to 44%, with only 12% of Ohioans reporting he is doing a "good" job, and 52% reporting he is only doing a "fair" to "poor" job, with 17% stating Strickland's performance has been poor. (July 2008).[27] The state's economic woes continue to drag down Strickland's administration with the state unemployment rate in June 2008 at 6.6%, 0.9% higher than in June 2007, and higher than any time in the previous Taft administration.[28]

08-29-2008, 07:33 AM	#84 (permalink)
Poppinjay You had me at hello Location: DC/Coastal VA	Uh... what? A term as a U.S. Senator is less experience than one year as governor of a state that pretty much runs itself? I mean really, I was all for Hillary, but this choice just seems stupid. __________________ I think the Apocalypse is happening all around us. We go on eating desserts and watching TV. I know I do. I wish we were more capable of sustained passion and sustained resistance. We should be screaming and what we do is gossip. -Lydia Millet

08-29-2008, 07:39 AM	#86 (permalink)
dc_dux Location: Washington DC	Gonad...you dont see how this completely undercuts McCain's argument that Obama is not ready for the job....when his own choice for VP is even less ready? __________________ "The perfect is the enemy of the good." ~ Voltaire

08-29-2008, 07:39 AM	#87 (permalink)
Frosstbyte Winter is Coming Location: The North	Now, I'm making a gross generalization, but the kind of women I know who would vote for a woman "just because she's a woman" would stop that the instant they found out how ridiculously conservative Palin is on all social issues. It's pretty much that simple. Whatever value she may have as a woman is all but decimated because her social policy has its roots in the 1950s. Last edited by Frosstbyte; 08-29-2008 at 07:52 AM..

08-29-2008, 07:51 AM	#88 (permalink)
aceventura3 Junkie Location: Ventura County	Prior to McCain's VP selection I had no intention of voting for him and I assumed he would pick Romney. With Palin on the ticket I am likely to vote for McCain and I may get involved as a volunteer. I like the fact that she is as far away from inside the beltway as you can get, I like her youth in contrast to McCain's age, I like that she is a governor rather than a legislator, I like that she is from an "oil" state, I like her conservative credentials, I like that she is active and has interests outside of politics, and she seems to be a winner. In the last 12 hours or so, we really see the contrast between the two parties. On one hand we get the words and fireworks from Obama talking about change while everyone around him is the old guard (Clinton, Gore, Biden, Pelosi, Clinton, Kerry, Carter, etc.) And the first major decision by McCain is to bring in new blood. Empty words compared to action. I have to side with action. __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch." "It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions on vegetarianism while the wolf is of a different opinion." "If you live among wolves you have to act like one." "A lady screams at the mouse but smiles at the wolf. A gentleman is a wolf who sends flowers."

08-29-2008, 08:00 AM	#94 (permalink)
dc_dux Location: Washington DC	ace...I understand how the pick may help with conservative-leaning votes like you (and I am not saying that in a disparaging way). I just done see any rationale for how it will help with Independent swing voters, particularly women who dont share her social policy positions. __________________ "The perfect is the enemy of the good." ~ Voltaire

08-29-2008, 08:05 AM	#96 (permalink)
Frosstbyte Winter is Coming Location: The North	Why are you putting so much stock in the VP choice, ace and pan? VPs are notoriously meaningless and ineffectual. Cheney may be a fairly strong exception to that rule, but that had everything to do with Bush's weakness as a leader. I don't think either Obama or McCain will be the type of president that is going to cede as much power to his veep as we've seen recently, so other than looking good on paper, I don't see where they bring a lot to the table. If you weren't going to vote for McCain beforehand, I don't think his package has changed a lot because of Palin. He is still the same guy with the same goals. He brought in someone with great conservative credentials, as you noted, but I don't think she's going to have much impact on his policy or direction.

08-29-2008, 08:11 AM	#98 (permalink)
Derwood Who You Crappin? Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	what a terrible pick for McCain

08-29-2008, 08:15 AM	#99 (permalink)
Poppinjay You had me at hello Location: DC/Coastal VA	She's in the tank for BP. You think that'll win her votes? Being from an oil state, maybe. Beholden to an oil company? No. __________________ I think the Apocalypse is happening all around us. We go on eating desserts and watching TV. I know I do. I wish we were more capable of sustained passion and sustained resistance. We should be screaming and what we do is gossip. -Lydia Millet

08-29-2008, 08:29 AM	#104 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Oh, it's Palin. That's interesting.

08-29-2008, 08:36 AM	#108 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	That beehive hairdo has to go. A Steel Worker's union commercial fisherman worker for her husband????? Oh my. A son in Iraq????? Oh my. Parents who worked in the schools????? Oh My. I seriously doubt that we will ever return to the 50's. Scare tactics much? __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

08-29-2008, 08:38 AM	#110 (permalink)
Poppinjay You had me at hello Location: DC/Coastal VA	She's been in one year, what do you think's going to come from an approval poll? Bush I and II both had numbers in that range at one point from the entire country. Bush II is now at 19% __________________ I think the Apocalypse is happening all around us. We go on eating desserts and watching TV. I know I do. I wish we were more capable of sustained passion and sustained resistance. We should be screaming and what we do is gossip. -Lydia Millet

08-29-2008, 08:39 AM	#112 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	I can't shake the thought that this simply looks like a stunt. I'll have to wait to see how this pans out before formulating a stronger opinion. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

08-29-2008, 08:42 AM	#114 (permalink)
dc_dux Location: Washington DC	I thing anyone objectively has to wonder about her depth of knowledge about the two most critical issues to most Americans -- the economy and national security. IMO, she probably has alot of homework to do before her debate with Biden on oct. 2. __________________ "The perfect is the enemy of the good." ~ Voltaire