Redlemon

Where do you stand in deciding in the 2008 Presidential Elections? Do you really need the next four months, or are you done already?

I'm done. I can't imagine anything being announced or revealed that would cause me to change my mind. I've heard enough already.

If you haven't made up your mind yet, what is it that you are waiting to find out?

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loquitur

I'm writing in Stephen Colbert.

Bill O'Rights

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robot_parade

That Osama guy sounds pretty good.

Poppinjay

I heard he's a muslim terrorist, and Saddam Hussein's brother.

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Redlemon

Hold on, let me check... yes, I posted this thread in Politics, not Nonsense.

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Willravel

I've decided, though Obama's supporting the new FISA bill is inexcusable in my mind.

Lesser of two evils... as always.

dc_dux

Want to do something more this election????

Volunteer to be a poll worker!
I've done it several times when I was younger.

You go in for a day's training in advance.....then work a VERY LONG DAY at a polling station on election day.

You will experience the election in a unique way...and get paid (now about$150-200 for the day) for it.

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Cynthetiq

so you still endorse evil

I decided years and years ago and I have not voted for a professional politician in some time... and I'm not going to start now.

Colbert seems like a good write in.

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The_Jazz

Willravel stands fully behind evil and invites you to join him.

I make no secret that I'm an Obama supporter. And I recently maxed out my personal contribution limit for the campaign, although I can obviously support other organizations working to get him elected.

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kurty[B]

I've been decided since January.

Obama.

If Hillary for some reason won the Democratic nomination I would be writing in Ron Paul (or Stephen Colbert).

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snowy

My mind's been made up for a while now--Obama.

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Terrell

Yes, but then again I knew I would be voting against the Republicans regardless of who the Democrats nominated, because I'm strongly opposed to the Republicans' social agenda.

AVoiceOfReason

Yes, my decision is made. I'm not going to vote for Obama under any circumstance, and I don't want to vote for McCain. If my state looks like it will clearly go to one or the other candidate, I'll look for the third party candidate that best voices my views.

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AVOR

A Voice Of Reason, not necessarily the ONLY one.

mixedmedia

my mind has been made up since 2004...I've just been biding my time

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Tully Mars

I'm with Jazz, I've openly supported Obama for some time. I also have donated, though I'm nowhere near maxed out. Don't see myself maxing out unless the market suddenly sky rockets. Even then that's a lot of cash (for me anyway) to give to a politician.

But if Hilary somehow ended up with the nom. I'd vote and/or donated for her as well. Not really that fond of her- but given the choice I'd take her over McCain any day. Where's no way I'd throw my vote away on a non-starter.

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shoegirl

Same here!

ottopilot

Pretty much my sentiment...perhaps for different reasons.

Steven Cobert sounds about right.

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roachboy

depending on how things go, either obama or nader.
i am really having trouble stomaching obama's race toward the ineffectual center.
we'll see how things unfold.

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MSD

I'm half-heartedly supporting Obama. I'll probably vote for him, but I can't see myself being particularly upset with him or McCain.

Atreides88

As much as I dislike the social agenda of today's Republican Party, I'm still voting for McCain. I'm still hoping that someday, somebody comes along in the classic Republican mold returns the GOP to the small government, trust-busting, progressive, fiscally conservative ideals it once had.

As for Obama, does anybody else get the sense that he is being portrayed as a mix of JFK and Bobby Kennedy, i.e. a young, vibrant man of change. There are some serious parallels between how each candidate is running his campaign compared to how JFK and Nixon ran theirs.

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roachboy

why not have a referential campaign? style is a signifer. and look at the fine things that kennedy brought us. why, we got vietnam and that was great. and cuba: that went really well. that helped with the missile crisis, that was great too. but he looked fantastic, all optimistic and young because television was.

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host

rb, in his last two press conferences, JFK ssid he would remove all US military advisors from Vietnam, but I agree about Cuba and with your main point. Instead of being dustracted by who to vote for....one prez candidate who vows to defend Israel as he would to defend any of the 50 US states and the new FISA laws....vs another guy who says the same things....we should be wondering why the candidates are so similar....so little difference. In 2004, rhw choices for prez were 2 members of a secret society that picks 15 new members each year, and why, in the last 28 years, one of two people, a father and his son, have been either prez of the US or VP for 20 of these 28 years...people don't even focus on this concentration of power purchased with concentrated wealth....as well as the limited choice....candidates so similar in policy stances and vision....

yellowmac

I'm heavily leaning towards Obama, and chances are that I'll vote for him. But I'm not going to finalize it until I hear both of their positions on all of the issues, and after watching the debates, etc. I'll probably start paying close attention to this thing on Aug. 28, the night of Obama's acceptance speech at the convention.

ncgti

McCain.

Neither is a great choice, but if you had a multi-billion dollar company and needed a president, would you hire someone with 3 years of experience? At least there is a track record for McCain - Obama, virtually nothing of great significance on the national level.

ktspktsp

Dammit, I hope I get to vote at some point in my life, somewhere around this world. Maybe in 2012 in the US, but that might be a bit tight... 2016 then?

Anyway, if I were to vote I would vote for Obama. He has his flaws, but he's still much better than McCain.

Willravel

I'm lucky... actually we're both lucky you weren't responsible for hiring at the first company I worked at after graduating from college. I had very little experience on paper compared to those I was competing against, but I understood the cloud better than any of the 40+ year olds I was competing with which meant that I was in a position to provide better insight into eCommerce. And I did. They chose me in spite of my lack of experience because I was better equipped for the position overall. I gave a better interview, my references were stronger, and I got on really well with some of the people I was going to be responsible for managing.

dc_dux

will....you should submit your resume when the Obama Plum Book (the listing of presidential appointments) comes out after the election....become a high level policy wonk.

I'm giving it serious consideration.

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Willravel

Well, I've always been absurdly hopeful. Remember my "war can end in one generation" thread?

*Nikki*

Ditto.

ncgti

And I can come up with many examples of underexperienced people who were hired into a job and failed miserably, dragging themselves and the staff, group, division, company down the toilet. I've seen it too many times.

If you were the right hire, then you were the right hire - but I doubt many 25 year olds would succeed at running a multibillion company. A few, sure, particularly if they started the company, but highly doubtful if they came into an established corporation that was trying to be successful for the long term and not just a company that was looking to get bought.

But that is not the point, because anyone can come up with an example of how to refute a general trend or truism.

I've been down these paths before, so let's agree to disagree and move on.

Fotzlid

I'll probably flip a coin when I get to the voting booth.

Willravel

Most people, regardless of age, are incapable of running a multi-billion dollar company.

John McCain is senile, though, which I suspect would be a good indication that he's incapable of leading much of anything. But to each their own.

pig

ditto.

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MSD

If Obama would publicly state that he's moved more toward the center on gun control, I'd be certain that I'd vote for him. As it is, gun control is my only huge, glaring issue with him as opposed to a whole bunch of issues I have with McCain.

jorgelito

I am tilted towards Obama more and more. Especially after his support for our troops which I really needed to hear from him and also his promise not to raise taxes. He can lock me in if I hear him support gun rights. I will let the pro-life issue slide. Extra bonus if he panders to my demographic like he has been to the so-called Latinos. Although his association with La Raza makes me really nervous. I would like to see him address the Minutemen.

McCain has a lot of catching up to do. He has ignored all my issues and my demographic. I am trying to give him a chance but he is missing out on opportunities.

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Willravel

I think we're all a little tilted.

jorgelito

Ha! Touche...*chuckle*

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pan6467

I'm pretty sure who I will vote for. It's no secret I truly despise Obama and am going to vote for a GOP president for the first time in my life. This trip and speech to Europe pretty much was the final nail in the Obama coffin for me. This guy needs to just be locked in a padded cell and the key lost. Someone extremely powerful wants this man elected and it scares the shit out of me.

Not for any true policy, because ultimately both, I believe, will be ineffective in the issues I am interested in. I believe oth focus on more power over the people and less on distribution of wealth, moving the country forward and bringing this country to prosperity again.

I also believe that possibly this is the worst selection I have ever seen and could be the worst in the history of this country.

But I could see me voting for a third party candidate that would support my views and have a rue chance of winning. I threw my vote out the window on 2000 on Nader, not that it mattered much.

I think whichever of the 2 wins, we'll see a true depression and in the coming election years the other party pretty much have total control in both houses and state governments. If we don't have a revolution or dramatic change before then.

I want so to be optimistic, to believe in a greater future.... but I just don't see it happening. I see more decline, more poverty, more crime, more government control and more violence. I pray I am wrong. I would love nothing more than to have to eat these words in years. But, it's all about power now for both parties, neither truly cares about rebuilding and giving true hope..... they only care about the power.

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ASU2003

I'm not sure yet. There is still a lot of time left, a few debates, conventions, and other third party candidates to look at. And who they pick for VP may change my mind too.