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I think some may have forgotten how the Watergate investigation played out.
The Senate spent nearly a year (from May 73 to March 74) investigating Watergate and the WH involvement in a select oversight committee (the Ervin Committee). The House impeachment inquiry didnt start until the spring of 74 as the Senate select committee was completing its work. The Dems in Congress today recognize how slowly and deliberately an impeachment process must proceed. IMO, they started the right way...with oversight hearings...and they recognized the impracticality of moving to a House impeachment inquiry before Bush/Cheney leave office. They could conceivably started a House impeachment inquiry this year (after spending 07 in oversight hearings investigating possible areas of inquiry), in which case the impeachment process would have occurred in the midst of this year's election campaign....a nightmare scenario that would only have politicized it and divided the country even more. Which is why they should continue after Bush/Cheney leave office and, if appropriate, recommend to the Pres that he appoint a special prosecutor within the DoJ to explore criminal charges.
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Kucinich's charges against Cheney were a reach WITHOUT having oversight hearings first.
You dont start an impeachment inquiry on speculation....you gather compelling evidence of potential wrong doing first through oversight investigations/hearings.....or as in the case of Watergate, with a special prosecutor and a Senate select oversight committee that took a year to investigate. I understand why many wanted to fast track the process...but in the long run that would only set a precedent for similar actions by future Congresses. Impeachment should be a deliberative process...and that takes time!
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Cirumstances would have been much different if the Dems won the majority in Congress in 04 instead of 06. That would have provided the time to do it thoroughly and judiciously.
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Obama can make a strong case that an overwhelming majority of Americans believe that Bush/Cheney should not be above the law if further investigations find that they may have engaged in illegal actions....and that it should proceed at a judicial level, without the politics of impeachment.
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I also don't know if Obama or McCain should be the ones initiating it. I feel an "outside" party would be better, like an "independent" investigation. Last edited by jorgelito; 06-09-2008 at 09:41 PM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost |
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Should they forget about it since they can't get documents? No, of course not, in due time I believe, but couldn't they get the SCOTUS to compel the executive branch to comply?
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I don't give Bush or any President "carte blanche" to stonewall or to do whatever they want.
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Bait, after bait, after bait. It's tiresome. You ask one question that someone answers and you respond with 15 more and extra links. This by far is your one of your shortest reponses, but still making assumptions that I'm giving someone a pass. No host, it's not a pass. As I've said before my local community board and local politics affect my quality of life a bit more than the POTUS does. See the more I keep looking at the things that you post the more I tune it out becuase you know what, it doesn't really change all that much. Read what you've posted in the above quotes. The names change, the time changes, the issues not so much. They still exist, history has shown that it's not the US that suffers such things, but it's in all countries and all times. It doesn't mean that I give it a pass, it means I've got more to do with living life than sitting behind a keyboard being pissed off at the world and the sitting president. again, you'll believe what you want to believe. Quote:
you've mailed letters... other people have attended rallies, and protests... things don't change... now what? I still have to pay my mortgages, go to work, enjoy life... and what rage against the machine? sorry, I'm more interested in making a living, saving my money and investments, and taking my marbles to play somewhere that's of my comfort and choosing. anything that detracts from that is a waste of my time.
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the bush administration in collusion with the american "free press" generated what amounts to a climate of hysteria in the wake of 9/11/2001 which they extended and used as a cover for putting into motion an invasion of iraq that followed point for point the rationale offered by the project for a new american century group in 1997. in this context, the administration selectively interpreted/distorted/fabricated infotainment that rationalized the action. in this context, congress approved the actions because, for whatever reason, at the assumption that the administration was acting in good faith apparently overruled better judgment. there is no question about the outline of this scenario, and it is what it is regardless of whether you might approve of the invasion of iraq for reasons that have nothing to do with the rationale that was floated for it.
at the very least, the war in iraq represents a breakdown in independent thinking, a breakdown of oversight, a breakdown of fact-checking--problems which i think would not have happened as they did outside the hysterical context generated in the early phases of the bush-war on ghosts. there is abundant documentation, readily available, which shows every step of the message-and-distort approach to infotainment, the building of a tendentious set of interpretations based on this massaged-to-distorted infotainment. the problems are obvious: at one level, what the war in iraq opens onto is a breakdown of the dominant american political and ideological system as a whole, one for which the entirety of the dominant order is responsible in general--but within this, it is the administration which is responsible in particular. was this illegal? shouldn't that be determined by a process? it hardly seems worth the effort to type this--but this is a messageboard without any standing of make determinations as to what is or is not illegal--so for the most part "illegal" means i dont like it and "legal" means i like it. but i would think that anyone in their right mind would be disturbed by how the situations which resulted in the launching of the fiasco in iraq unfolded--that it would give you pause--that preventing something like this from happening again would be a priority--it is altogether too easy to generate a climate of hysteria in the states, given the primacy of television as an opinion co-ordinating mechanism. it is SO easy that i would think folk who claim to like the american system as a whole would be bothered by it. there is obviously a symbolic dimension to calls for impeachment of george w bush for misleading the public and congress (and the international community) --there is a criminal (metaphor) degree of irresponsibility in using the information that they used, a criminal (metaphor) level of incompetence in the assembly and evaluation of intelligence--and this if you assume the administration acted in good faith. seems to me that in ANY other situation, the right would be calling for the heads of whomever acted with this degree of incompetence and would be complaining about whatever structure protected them--but not here, but not now. why is that?
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Here is the problem Congress faces...I will lay out the actions to date: *Congress issues subpoenas to WH staff to testify.Congress is exploring a request to fast track it to the SCOTUS but the WH and the District Court of DC have expressed opposition to such a move...and there we are. It would be comical if it wasnt so serious.
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Not really, it sounds like some sort of Private Practice/Boston Legal episode wherein there's wrangling, blocks, counters, etc. Of course I'm of the opinion that life is always more interesting and imaginative than fiction ever seems to be.
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There is far too much at stake (with the exec privilege issue as well as other issues still under Congressional review - eg, destruction of millions of e-mails, just to name one "minor" issue) in terms of precedent of expanded powers of the Executive branch....and it will certainly be more interesting and imaginative than any fiction! Quote:
What is inappropriate is how under the Bush administration, the AGs (Ashcroft, Gonzales, Mukasey) have each acted (on more than one occasion) more as an attorney representing the interests of the WH rather than "enforcing the law and defending the interests of the United States according to the law..." as is its mandate.
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But wasn't that the same with Clinton adminstration AG issues?
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Under Bush, there are numerous examples of the AG interpreting the law (warrentless wiretaps, use of torture, claims of executive privilege...based on legal arguments crafted by WH attorneys.) As to Clinton, do you have specific examples of how the AG served the interest of Clinton as opposed to enforcing the law or acting in the interest of the county?
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No I don't it was a question more than statement. I seem to recall the same politics during the Clinton impeachment where the AG didn't want to turn over documents or something along those lines.
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The WH has attempted to cooperate with Congress, the issue of Executive Privilege is a real issue and may need resolution by the Supreme Court. If the intent is to truly get information, Congress should take advantage of the offers made by the WH, they always have their right reserved to take a more agressive approach in the future. The letter below illustrates how Congress has been unyielding in their alleged search for truth.
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The offers made by the WH were to have these (and other) WH officials testify in closed session, without a transcript and not under oath.
Bullshit! It is the role of the DoJ and the AG to enforce the law..and that includes filing charges of Contempt of Congress before a federal grand jury when those persons subpoenaed to testify do not comply. Every person who having been summoned as a witness by the authority of either House of Congress to give testimony or to produce papers upon any matter under inquiry before either House, or any joint committee established by a joint or concurrent resolution of the two Houses of Congress, or any committee of either House of Congress, willfully makes default, or who, having appeared, refuses to answer any question pertinent to the question under inquiry, shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine of not more than $1,000 nor less than $100 and imprisonment in a common jail for not less than one month nor more than twelve months.and let the Judiciary determine if executive privilege applies.
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When Congress conducts oversight hearings to review the performance of the Exec Branch in carrying out existing legislation, they ALWAYS require testifying under oath, starting with the initial meetings with Congressional staff prior to the hearings.
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When I am conducting an investigation, I start being as non-confrontational as possible. I get the easy information first and in a progressive manner ask more and more pointed questions. You don't give up your right to request testimony under oath, or your right to subpoena information. The approach used by Congress kinda tells me that they were not really on a search for information and truth. Anyone who has ever been involved in investigations would agree that there is a logical and systematic approach to getting information on the record. The approach used by Congress has not been consistent with that.
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ace, as I understand what you are suggestion....
Congress has been confrontational and the WH has been cooperative and not obstructionist. Nope..that just wont fly in light of the facts....Congress has acted in the manner in which it nearly always has acted in the performance of its oversight function. But hey, you have your opinion.
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I think the WH's position has been to protect executive privilege. As they protect executive privilege, they offered a compromise. So I see the WH as being more cooperative than Congress at this point.
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Executive privilege is about the separation of powers, or protecting the distinctness of the branches. I don't see how answering these questions would have done any harm to that (unless the answers to the questions would not reflect favorably on the president and vice president, in which case they would be using executive privilege as their own personal 5th Amendment).
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I use hyperbole a bit, but it seems there are not many here who are willing to even consider the fact that Congress's quest for truth might be just a bit more for political purposes rather than for getting at the "truth".
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Don't downplay the importance of truth. Just because you liken it to a "side show" does not make this an abuse of power or a mockery of anything. The reality is that Bush had not been forthcoming about his failures at all as a president and many people, including members of congress, believed that an investigation would be able to uncover what the circumstantial facts suggested: truth.
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personally, i think that such reluctance as you might impute to congress follows from two main facts: the close split between parties and the fact that congress approved the bullshit case for war that the administration advanced, legitimated the action and so is entirely implicated in whatever the results of an investigation might be---as an institution. the first one is obvious; the second cuts both ways--you might think that congress would be VERY interested in investigating how and why it was duped as a way of exculpating itself--but this bizarre partisan thing on the part of the republicans and the closeness of the numbers between parties perhaps disables that as well.
what's amazing to me is that there is no particular legitimation problem that has followed from this for the system as a whole. my cynical conclusion is that the bush administration has demonstrated that impunity will get you far in america, that almost nothing can happen that will create any real problems for the state itself, that legitimation is not an issue---these are indicators of the soft authoritarian system we live under, while we wander about imagining ourselves to be politically free. compare even on the issue of fuel prices the total passive inaction in the states as over against what is happening in spain, france, south korea. which system is more free?
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During NixOn's reign, we had crises with the Pentagon Papers and Watergate. These were genuine legitimation crises, which were resolved within the framework of the state. Compare this to the Iraq situation. I think the differences come from the Clinton-Lewinsky-Starr farce. (I don't care if he lied, it was still a fucking farce.) This has created a legitimation problem for legitimation problems -- as it was probably intended to. Another difference would be the absence of alternative models of legitimation. Back in the '70s, there was discussion of more or less radical alternatives to the status quo. The system were under pressure to resolve the NixOn Problem within the parameters of the U.S. politi al system. There's the succession of Alfred E. Neuman prezidents to blame as well. but i have to get back to work. |
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this is partly a large-scale ideological matter--a function of the collapse of a viable alternative political project (the left) and a bizarre fossilization of history at the same time--the fossilization seems to me of a piece with the reduction of a sense of the present to an accumulation of things and the past as a collection of film footage, brought to you with a 50s police-show voice-over on the "history" channel--so there are no alternatives which we create as we move through the present, but only repetitions. we don't create anything, really: we find what already exists. and as the dominant order is coterminous with what exists, it is necessarily legitimate.
we have the illusion of immediacy from a vantagepoint of stuffed chairs and sofas. we imagine that the fact we can purchase consumer goods as a political meaning. we operate in a strange suspended present--i dont know why classic rock radio seems emblematic of all this to me, but it does--the eternal 1976, the year i graduated high school, late for the party, always and inevitably late for the party. the period that followed the american defeat in vietnam seems to have been one of wholesale repression--of the defeat, of the sense of crisis that surrounded watergate--and an immobilization of superficial images of both--repetition of footage of functionaries climbing aboard helicopters leaving phnom penh substituting for those of functionaries leaving saigon--the early-to-mid 1970s hang in the air like a swamp--they never left, we are all still there, it is juxtaposed with the present, an aspect of it--so the political crisis that vietnam entailed is simultaneously repressed and preserved as film stock, as an atmosphere---"rebellion" imputed to the movements in opposition to vietnam is channelled into a question of which sports utility vehicle enables you best to express your individuality, and which athletic shoe product will best enable you to purchase an entire way of life. so maybe there's a sense in which "we" have "already done" political crisis and a sense in which iraq is a rerun of vietnam except without the draft--the forbidden lightening rod around which neo-con "strategizing" has danced, the line they cannot cross, their explanation for everything that happened during the vietnam period--well that and allowing uncontrolled press access to battle areas. this is what fading empires are like: trapped in an image of their own past, the present slides by them as if it were a giant repetition--nothing happens because they cannot see anything happening--people sit around waiting for something to happen, but it can't happen. at the system level, the configuration of power is changing, but we can't see it because the information we have access to is structured such that it is more important symmetry be maintain with the fossilized past than it is coherent accounts be generated of the present. so we drift like some sad, bloated, fading king who mistakes himself for a courtier.
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I think you have convinced yourself (but few others outside the Bush faithful) that the WH position (no transcripts, no oath) was reasonable and that Congress was motivated by partisan politics and showmanship rather than seeking the truth regarding questionable actions by the administration. Congress even offered to keep the hearings closed (no "showmanship") as long as transcripts were permitted and the WH staff testified under oath....and the WH staff could invoke executive privilege on a question-by-question basis. IMO, that was a reasonable compromise considering that this Congress has requested nothing more from the current WH than any recent Congress in responsible pursuit of its oversight responsibility of previous administrations. Quote:
Which one is also attempting to seek the truth in the interest of an open and accountable Executive Branch? the current Congress asking hard questions about WH actions and policies in fulfillment of its oversight role'nuf said.
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As for the control of the press issue, this, too is part of the blindness of fading empires. The current restrictions on the press are an outgrowth of denial and disavowal of the military's failures in Vietnam. It's always someone else's fault: hippies, SDS, black panthers, Muhammed Ali but also the draft, tv, Walter Cronkite, the press in general... So many stabs in the back. Even if the generals had had everything they wanted and nothing but showers of rose petals at home, they still would have lost. This is because they didn't understand what they were fighting against, which was basically the people of Vietnam. There was no military solution except killing everyone in the whole country -- something that Lt. Calley (a la Kurtz) tried on a small scale. |
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2) The Executive can pardon criminals 3) The Judicial can determine whether a law is or is not constitutional. Each of these three instances describes a check and balance well after what was to be checked was established. Pardons can come decades after a conviction. Investigations can happen years after a supposed crime has been committed by a member of the Executive branch. The Supreme Court can rule centuries after laws are passed as to whether a law is constitutional or not. Don't worry, I don't intend to lecture anyone about separation of powers. Just pointing out examples. |
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Yes, those are true, but here people are demanding that things be CHECKED NOW, or BALANCED NOW. So while the Patriot Act may be the worst thing to happen to civil rights, I'm confident that in the future the rights of the future Americans will be secured by the SCOTUS overturning that act. See, just like you said, checks and balances. See what you've stated isn't that scary monster that host sees hiding in the White House closet on Jan 20, 2009 wherein POTUS Bush refuses to leave the White House. No, the checks and balances happen as they need to and I'm confident in the system that has been working for 232 years now. Some of you seem to think that if it's not happening right now, it's no good.
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Thats not to say that Congress and the country cant "move on" at the same time and also focus on the issues of greater concern (although not more important in the grand scheme of open and accountable government) to most citizens.
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Again, I've not stated free pass, but some of the "true believers" here seem to think that. I've stated I've got my own things to be concerned about in my version of "pusuit of happiness" which directly impact me now and everyday.
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I would just humbly suggest that the "true believers" speaking out and fighting to prevent abuses of power and the restoration of a more open and accountable government deserve recognition for their commitment to the larger issues at stake.
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