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flstf 06-06-2008 08:35 AM
From what I read in the blogs Hillary's largest supporters (Democratic women over 45) are extremely upset over Obama's victory to the point where some/many are saying they will vote Republican. In their opinion Obama is some kind of evil who stole the election from the woman who was way ahead and who they have waited years to elect. They must be very pissed to vote for the party who's position on most issues they disagree with just to get even and try to get the Democrats to loose so Hillary can run again in 2012.

Leto 06-06-2008 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Aladdin Sane
Never dreamed I'd be defending her, but...
I just now saw the videotape, and I fail to see why her comment is a big deal. She was only making the point that she is being told to get out of the race before June, and this call is a historical aberration. To reinforce her point, she reminded her audience that RFK had just won the JUNE 1968 California primary when he was killed. For me, and folks my age, her remark only reminds us that we have witnessed a Democratic primary race lasting into June, and it shouldn't be viewed as unusual.

Of course, I actually hope she takes it all the way to the August convention in Denver. Watching the Dems rip the hide off each other makes this old conservative smile...

What he said.

abaya 06-06-2008 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by flstf
They must be very pissed to vote for the party who's position on most issues they disagree with just to get even and try to get the Democrats to loose so Hillary can run again in 2012.
Yeah, "pissed" is not quite the word I would use to describe them... :shakehead:

dc_dux 06-06-2008 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by flstf
From what I read in the blogs Hillary's largest supporters (Democratic women over 45) are extremely upset over Obama's victory to the point where some/many are saying they will vote Republican. In their opinion Obama is some kind of evil who stole the election from the woman who was way ahead and who they have waited years to elect. They must be very pissed to vote for the party who's position on most issues they disagree with just to get even and try to get the Democrats to loose so Hillary can run again in 2012.
I think it may be more of an emotional response that is likely to dissipate over the course of the long hot summer campaign.

Particularly as Obama and McCain focus on the issues of highest interest to that demographic....the economy, health care, the war in Iraq.

flstf 06-06-2008 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by abaya
Yeah, "pissed" is not quite the word I would use to describe them... :shakehead:
pissed = upset to the extreme

abaya 06-06-2008 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by flstf
pissed = upset to the extreme
Yeah, I know what you meant... I just meant that I would insert the word "stubborn," "counter-productive," or if I really wanted to raise some hackles, just plain "stupid," since I don't see a Democrat being "pissed" over their candidate losing as reason enough to vote Republican in this election. (More a commentary on them than on your post, btw.)

Tully Mars 06-06-2008 10:31 AM
Pissed off, emotional upset, whatever. Time to get things on track and work to heal the wounds. I got an e-mail this morning from my daughter who said McCain managed to raise some 45 million last month. If this is true and if the Dems want to stand a chance they'd better start working together or get ready for John's inauguration.

Edit: Ok, so my daughter's off a little, alright a lot. Looks more like he's raised 21.5 million. Still, IMO, he's going to be able to raise more cash then people think. Time to work together or perish.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/06...y4157027.shtml

dc_dux 06-06-2008 11:33 AM
I think the $45 mil figure included RNC fund raising for the month.

The RNC has raised significantly more than the DNC over the last few months as a result of making their pitch around just one candidate. The DNC has been holding back a bit until they had a candidate.

Political Party Fund Raising

It also allows McCain (and Obama) to truthfully say they wont accept PAC donations...they just steer them to the national committees.

Both parties also have Senate & House Campaign Committees and the Democrats are stronger here...which is very important to increase their majority in Congress.

SecretMethod70 06-06-2008 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by dc_dux
It also allows McCain (and Obama) to truthfully say they wont accept PAC donations...they just steer them to the national committees.
Not at the DNC.

dc_dux 06-06-2008 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by SecretMethod70
DNC wont take PAC money......can you feel the change!

Rock on, Barack! :thumbsup:

Tully Mars 06-06-2008 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by dc_dux
DNC wont take PAC money......can you feel the change!

Rock on, Barack! :thumbsup:
I hope this is true, but deep down fear they'll find a way to get around it.

Of course given the number of small donations Obama's received he may well be able to stick to this pledge.

dc_dux 06-06-2008 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Tully Mars
I hope this is true, but deep down fear they'll find a way to get around it.
I agree it is probably largely symbolic, particularly since I dont think it applies to the DCCC or DSCC.

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Of course given the number of small donations Obama's received he may well be able to stick to this pledge.
On this point, Obama's small donor numbers are remarkable...nearly half of the $250 mil Obama has raised are from donors of $200 or less.


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