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geep · 06-30-2003, 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by The_Dude
definately! bush got the next 2 nominees

I believe the Obsructionists... Democrats will stop him (Not like a Democrat ever tried to pack the Court).

Sparhawk · 06-30-2003, 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by geep
I believe the Obsructionists... Democrats will stop him (Not like a Democrat ever tried to pack the Court).

If you're going to rail against this, rail against the system. It works both ways, when the democrats are in the majority and when the republicans are. To label one or the other as 'Obstructionists' solves nothing, and just looks hypocritical.

geep · 06-30-2003, 11:24 AM

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Originally posted by Sparhawk
If you're going to rail against this, rail against the system. It works both ways, when the democrats are in the majority and when the republicans are. To label one or the other as 'Obstructionists' solves nothing, and just looks hypocritical.

If I'm a hypocrite, perhaps you can enlighten me as to the last Republican filibuster to block a Judicial nominee?

The_Dude · 06-30-2003, 11:49 AM

i did a random search and i found one.

sorry i cant post the links, since the stories are taken from houston chroncile archives, avaliable only for members and the links wont work w/o cookies.

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GOP filibuster kills Foster nomination

06/23/95
WASHINGTON -- The Senate on Thursday shelved the nomination of Dr. Henry Foster, the embattled surgeon general candidate, after Republicans led by Texas Sen. Phil Gramm blocked a confirmation vote for the second day.

But the 57-43 vote, three shy of the 60 needed to break a filibuster and permit a confirmation vote, left all sides claiming victory. The debate once again thrust the divisive issue of abortion into the political forefront.

Foster, a Tennessee obstetrician-gynecologist, admitted, after some dispute over the actual numbers, to performing 39 abortions, all legal, during a 38 year career. Though he delivered 10,500 babies, mainly for poor women, he was labeled an abortionist by opponents.

"Today, 43 Republicans in the Senate failed the fundamental test of fairness," President Clinton said. "By choosing to side with extremists who would do anything to block a woman's right to choose, those senators have done a disservice to a good man, done a disservice to the nominating process, and sent a chilling message to the rest of the country.

"This is not a good day for the Senate," Clinton said. Foster was the first Clinton nominee to be rejected by the new Republican -led Senate. The vote was identical to Wednesday's 57-43 outcome. Eleven Republicans joined all 46 Democrats in voting to break the filibuster .

Foster, rumored to become Clinton 's adviser on combating teen-age pregnancy, appeared with Senate Democrats immediately after the vote to thank his supporters.

"I greatly appreciate your vote of fairness but fairness didn't prevail," Foster said. "I am disappointed by today's outcome, certainly. Would I have liked a different outcome? Absolutely. But I remain strong and honored by being the president's choice for surgeon general."

Only three presidential nominees, including Foster, in the past 24 years have been stopped by filibusters. All were Democratic candidates stymied by Republicans. Counting Foster, only 25 presidential nominees, including Chief Justice William Rehnquist in 1986, have faced filibuster threats.

"I believe if four months ago I had not stood up and said that I would filibuster this nomination I believe that Dr. Foster would be at the tailor's today getting fitted for his uniform," Gramm said after the vote. "I think there would have been a deal cut and I think he would have been confirmed."

Gramm's comments were a shot at Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole, his rival for the GOP presidential nomination. Democrats and some Republicans complained that presidential ambitions were at play in the nomination as the two vied for support from Christian conservatives.

Dave Mason, a political analyst with the conservative Heritage Foundation, said Dole may have come out ahead even though Gramm initiated the filibuster . "Gramm certainly gets more credit from social conservatives for having come out early and strong against Foster but in the end Dole delivered and effectively killed the nomination," Mason said.

He also suggested Foster's defeat would have little lasting political import. "Failed nominees are quickly forgotten," he said. But he added that the anti-abortion legislation making its way through the House "may end up being a more significant factor."

The House has passed a measure barring women from receiving abortions at military bases overseas. A House subcommittee has adopted another measure barring doctors from performing a medical procedure for late-term abortions used, according to abortion-rights advocates, in rare cases to save the lives of the mothers.

"I think the most important result of the whole debate of Dr. Foster's nomination is that the right-wing has had to show its cards," Kim Gandy, vice president of the National Organization for Women, said. "They are out to abolish abortion, period."

And the medical procedure was the dominating issue as Sen. Bob Smith, R-N.H., demonstrated. He held up a plastic fetus during Senate debate and displayed graphic charts of late-term abortions for a little-used procedure that has gained increasing attention among anti-abortion forces.

"He's tolerating and condoning this," Smith charged of Foster, bringing Democrats out of their chairs. Sen. Carol Moseley-Braun, D-Ill., called the props and accusations the most "outrageous" she'd seen on the Senate floor.

A senior White House official maintained the Foster defeat does not hurt Clinton politically.

"Basically, he pressed Foster on the merits. But ironically, the Republicans choose to make an issue out of abortion. I'm not sure that helps their cause," the official said.

Dole accused Clinton of using the nomination to score political points on abortion.

"That's all this (Foster) nomination is about, trying to divide the American people for political purposes," Dole said. But he also hinted that old political scores were being settled by Republicans as well. "What goes around comes around," Dole said, noting that Massachusetts Democrat Edward Kennedy had tried to block Rehnquist's appointment as chief justice with a filibuster that failed.

Technically, Foster's nomination will remain on the Senate calendar but has little hope of being brought to the floor again. It was unclear if the White House would submit another nominee .

Foster initially was considered a safe nomination. He was recommended by Dr. Louis Sullivan, the secretary of Health and Human Services under President Bush. The "I Have a Future" program founded by Foster was recognized by Bush as a "point of light" for combating teen pregnancy.

But Senate support weakened when it was reported that Foster had performed abortions. He initially said he had performed one, then less than a dozen before a records check confirmed 39. Conservatives also seized on accusations that he should have known about the infamous Tuskegee syphilis experiments in which black men were left untreated, and that he performed sterilizations on three mentally retarded women, with their parents' permission.

Many opponents said Foster's credibility was the issue. Foster, however, said his credibility has never been challenged. He admitted, however, to being naive

EDIT : does that mean you are a hypocrite?

Conclamo Ludus · 06-30-2003, 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by fnaqzna
The disappointing thing about Maines isn't that she expressed her opinion. It's that she backed away from it and acted like it was something to apologize for.

Now... if they express their opinion via music, most of the knuckle draggin' trailer park dwellin' country music fans won't get it anyway.

That's hilarious! Talking about how stupid country music fans are never gets old. They're so dumb LOL. They are nothing like us really intelligent, non-judgemental, tolerant liberals.

sportsrule101 · 06-30-2003, 12:22 PM

In this USA they have the right to call Bush an idiot and to support Mike Moore. I also have the right to call them total asshats, and to have a total dislike for the lying, number inflating, anti american mike moore

geep · 06-30-2003, 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by The_Dude
i did a random search and i found one.

sorry i cant post the links, since the stories are taken from houston chroncile archives, avaliable only for members and the links wont work w/o cookies.

EDIT : does that mean you are a hypocrite?

Let's see: story in the Houston Chronicle... Surgeon General-far cry from a judicial appointment... Three out of 25 filibusters were succesful- doesn't say they were Republicans. You could've tried harder- ever hear of Abe Fortas? I believe Obstructionist was a term used then, too. I guess being hypocritical is a pretty common thing. Yes- if you want to call me a hypocrite go right ahead. I'll be in good company. (BTW- Fortas was the first)
Here's an educational link:
http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/...ppointment.htm

seretogis · 06-30-2003, 01:35 PM

Please cite an example of when Republican state legislatures have fled the state in order to prevent legislation from passing. You won't be able to, because only Democrats have stooped so low.

KillerYoda · 06-30-2003, 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by seretogis
Please cite an example of when Republican state legislatures have fled the state in order to prevent legislation from passing. You won't be able to, because only Democrats have stooped so low.

I'm no Democrat, but let's not forget Republicans hire agents to illegally bug the opposition's headquarters, deny it, then "flee" the White House to avoid prosecution. It may not be avoiding legislature passing, but it is rather low.

Liquor Dealer · 06-30-2003, 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by KillerYoda
I'm no Democrat, but let's not forget Republicans hire agents to illegally bug the opposition's headquarters, deny it, then "flee" the White House to avoid prosecution. It may not be avoiding legislature passing, but it is rather low.

I assume you are talking about Watergate? The criminal act of one man has nothing to do with the party.

KillerYoda · 06-30-2003, 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by Liquor Dealer
I assume you are talking about Watergate? The criminal act of one man has nothing to do with the party.

It wasn't just one man, it was a few, if I remember correctly. I don't think Nixon broke into Watergate all by himself, hell, he wasn't even the one who opened the door.

geep · 06-30-2003, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by KillerYoda
It wasn't just one man, it was a few, if I remember correctly. I don't think Nixon broke into Watergate all by himself, hell, he wasn't even the one who opened the door.

Apparently Nixon's only mistake as far as breaking the law is concerned is that he got caught. Some of the insights as to Kennedy's reign lately have not been flattering.

The_Dude · 06-30-2003, 02:59 PM

what nixon did was illegal, at least what the texas dem's did was legal

KillerYoda · 06-30-2003, 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by geep
Apparently Nixon's only mistake as far as breaking the law is concerned is that he got caught. Some of the insights as to Kennedy's reign lately have not been flattering.

Just a fun fact: Nixon was in Dallas the day Kennedy was assassinated.

Liquor Dealer · 06-30-2003, 03:39 PM

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Originally posted by The_Dude
what nixon did was illegal, at least what the texas dem's did was legal

It might have been technically legal - But it was a total disregard for the office they took an oath to serve and a blast of shit in the face of their constituents. It was a disservice to the State of Texas and shows, in my opinion, the moral terpitude of most Democratic politicians.

fnaqzna · 06-30-2003, 09:29 PM

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Originally posted by Liquor Dealer
Talk about trying to start a flame war! This could get one going in a hurry. To promote peace and tranquility I believe we'll just let you 'waller' in your feeling of superiority and let it go at that.

Hence the

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It's so hard to make jokes on a BBS.

Sparhawk · 07-01-2003, 05:51 AM

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Originally posted by Liquor Dealer
It might have been technically legal - But it was a total disregard for the office they took an oath to serve and a blast of shit in the face of their constituents. It was a disservice to the State of Texas and shows, in my opinion, the moral terpitude of most Democratic politicians.

How about republicans trying to take advantage of the redistricting process that traditionally only takes place once every ten years, and just happened 2 years ago!!!

There's your lack of 'moral terpitude' (great phrase btw).

Conclamo Ludus · 07-01-2003, 06:03 AM

The problem I have with the Texas walk-out is that it sets a bad precedent. From now on if you don't want legislation to pass, forget a filibuster, hell forget voting, just leave the state. Sure its "thinking outside the box" but it pisses in the face of the system. Redistricting is low but it is at least part of the system. And don't think for a minute Republicans are the only ones guilty of redistricting. It happens in every state all the time. The democrats certainly called attention to their plight, but they did so in a pathetic way. Work within the system or the system won't work. They would've had a better high-ground to stand on if they just would've publicized the hell out of what the republicans were trying to do, it might not have stopped it but the voters would know the sneaky things the reps were doing. Now they know the sneaky things the reps were doing and they know through the sneaky things the dems were doing. Walking out is like a child with a temper tantrum. "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no!" Its Screaming and storming out of the room so they can get their way. Effective? Yes. Pathetic? Most definitely.

geep · 07-01-2003, 06:15 AM

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Originally posted by Sparhawk
How about republicans trying to take advantage of the redistricting process that traditionally only takes place once every ten years, and just happened 2 years ago!!!

There's your lack of 'moral terpitude' (great phrase btw).

Not like the Dems didn't do it in '91 or '81 or '71 or '61....
I think moral terpitude in politics would be an oxymoron.

lizrd · 07-02-2003, 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by VitaminChemE
I wonder how long it'll be until she figures out that it was fighting for freedom that gave her the freedom to condemn fighting.

By that definition wouldn't all fighting "for freedom" be good and justified.

Phaenx · 07-02-2003, 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by lizrd
By that definition wouldn't all fighting "for freedom" be good and justified.

No. I think he was refering to the American Revolution, which ultimately led to her as an American having the right to free speech. Also, in the context of her statements being directed towards the war in Iraq, it's not such a broad statement as to cover fighting in general.

rodgerd · 07-03-2003, 12:31 AM

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Originally posted by Liquor Dealer

Used to be! I think she's been divorced from country! Almost bet you can take that to the bank! [/B]

Please. They may not be Johnny Cash, but they're a damn sight more "country" than most of the crap coming out of Nashville, never mind Shania.

rodgerd · 07-03-2003, 12:36 AM

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Originally posted by KillerYoda
No, there's actually little-known small print in the Bill of Rights stating freedom of speech is not allowed among country singers.

No, no, no. You've misunderstood it. Anyone from the entertainment industry who disagrees with the Republican Party is a FILTHY SLUT and a WHORE, a NO-BRAIN-NO-NOTHING TRAITOR, a COMMIE who ought to be RUN OUT OF TOWN by a reincarnation of SAINT JOE MCCARTHY. And WHAT would DUMB ENTERTAINERS know about ANYTHING.

Whereas washed up actors like Charleton Heston, Ronnie Reagan, and now Arnold Schwartzneggar are INSIGHTFUL POLITICAL GENIUSES who ought to be BOWED DOWN and WORSHIPPED.

Ann Coulter told me so. It must be true.

sportsrule101 · 07-03-2003, 05:00 AM

arnold shwatzneggar stars in mike moores new documentary,
"THE BETRAYAL, the story of nashville.
the catch of movie,
the facts are inflated
arnold wears grunge, and doesn't bath
sound track done entirely by, Lynyrd Skynyrd, charlie daniels band and jonny cash

and educated people don't watch it.

ganon · 07-03-2003, 07:50 AM

"No, no, no. You've misunderstood it. Anyone from the entertainment industry who disagrees with the Republican Party is a FILTHY SLUT and a WHORE, a NO-BRAIN-NO-NOTHING TRAITOR, a COMMIE who ought to be RUN OUT OF TOWN by a reincarnation of SAINT JOE MCCARTHY. And WHAT would DUMB ENTERTAINERS know about ANYTHING."

I thought the FILTHY SLUT, WHORE, NO-BRAIN-NO-NOTHING TRAITORS were, According to Hillary Clinton and her minions, all of the women that were accusing Bill Clinton of sexual assault?

Man, this thread is so cool!! All of this free speach going on right here! We sound like a bunch of opinionated blow hards, and it's all BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!! I love living in a country where I can talk shit and hate all of you assholes!! And you can all hate me back!!!

reconmike · 07-03-2003, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by rodgerd

Whereas washed up actors like Charleton Heston, Ronnie Reagan, and now Arnold Schwartzneggar are INSIGHTFUL POLITICAL GENIUSES who ought to be BOWED DOWN and WORSHIPPED.

It took a great president like Reagan to get this country back where it belonged, after that peanut farmer fucked it all up.

Quant · 07-04-2003, 07:06 AM

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Originally posted by mirevolver
Freedom is a double edged sword.

She has the right to say what she wants to say.
And I have the right to not buy her CDs because of what she says.

You honestly expect me to believe all the people who complain about her views would buy her music if she was a good girl, loves her country?

Liquor Dealer · 07-04-2003, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by Quant
You honestly expect me to believe all the people who complain about her views would buy her music if she was a good girl, loves her country?

No! But one whole hell of a bunch of them will never buy her music again because of her views. Country music fans simply don't tolerate this kinda' crap. look at some in the recent past whose views, private/public lives, etc., have taken them from the pinnacle of success to the bargain bin at Walmart - Overnight!

Fred181 · 07-20-2003, 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by mirevolver
Freedom is a double edged sword.

She has the right to say what she wants to say.
And I have the right to not buy her CDs because of what she says.

Is she (or anyone) truly free to say something if they are boycotted for what they say? The reason the first amendment exists is because the framers of our great constitution believed in a concept called the marketplace of ideas; i.e. let's allow all ideas to be brought out, as ridiculus as some may be, so that we may evolve. Being a sensible person, Ms Maines realized that the public will only allow her to stand on stage as long as she sings, looks cute and walks the "party line". What kind of freedom of speech is that?

Lebell · 07-20-2003, 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by Fred181
... What kind of freedom of speech is that?

The kind where a person takes responsibility and ownership of their words.

seretogis · 07-20-2003, 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by Lebell
The kind where a person takes responsibility and ownership of their words.

Exactly -- every freedom also comes with responsibility for consequences of exercising said freedom.

Zeld2.0 · 07-21-2003, 09:50 AM

Bah why people even argue whether or not what a politician is doing is dirty is beyond me.

After all the general concensus is politics are dirty and its always the *other* side thats worse

Fred181 · 07-21-2003, 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by Lebell
The kind where a person takes responsibility and ownership of their words.

That is true, If you are going to say something you'd better be willing to back it up, however my problem stems from an overly politically correct society where saying something that goes against the norm gets you black listed. Why can we not accept people's different opinions as there own? Why must the people we associate with, buy stuff from, or watch on TV have to share
our same views? As a member of the armed forces I for one am glad that people are voicing their opinions whether I agree with them or not. Countless numbers of men and women have died over the years in defense of the freedoms that many take for granted and don't even utilize. It is not our right, but our duty as citizens of this great nation to have a hand in determining its course, be that through voting, petitioning of the govt, or if all else fails, civil disobedience.

Fred181 · 07-21-2003, 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by Liquor Dealer
No! But one whole hell of a bunch of them will never buy her music again because of her views. Country music fans simply don't tolerate this kinda' crap.

I say again, why must the people that sing our songs have to have the same political views as us?? And if our entertainers have to share our political views, who does get to have a dissenting opinion? Should we not associate with friends and coworkers that we disagree with? How about instead, we live in a society where everyone believes the same thing. The Tilted Politics board would be very interesting then... I agree... ya me too... Yep, you're right... That's what I think too!

Lebell · 07-21-2003, 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by Fred181
...Why can we not accept people's different opinions as there own? Why must the people we associate with, buy stuff from, or watch on TV have to share our same views?...

Nominally I agree with you Fred, but what are you proposing?
Forcing me to continue to buy Dixie Chix albums even though now I think they are traitorous dirtbags? Or making me go see Alec Baldwin movies even though I think he is even worse?

As long as the government doesn't interfere with their careers (a la a McCarthy witch hunt), this is simply free speech and the free enterprise system working.

They are free to say what they want, and I am free to purchase their product or not.

Furthermore, I am free to try to influence others to my view.

Welcome to freedom. It doesn't always give you the results you want, but it's a damn sight better than the alternative.

Fred181 · 07-21-2003, 01:23 PM

I am proposing nothing, nor should you be forced into doing anything. I agree wholeheartedly that you have the RIGHT to not support these individuals. I just find it interesting that people would choose that avenue. I also agree that this is free speech and free enterprise but I don't think that I would say that it is an example of it working... BTW, what is traitorous about saying you are ashamed to be from the same state as the president. What is the deffinition of a traitor??

Fred181 · 07-21-2003, 01:31 PM

I Realize this is long and written by the president of the NRA (cringe) Charlton Heston, but this is a great example of what we are talking about. I appologize for not being informed enough to link to the article but here is one of the addresses you can find it @ - http://193.78.190.200/historic/files/heston.htm

Blah Blah Charlton Heston retoric... As I have stood in the crosshairs of those who target Second Amendment freedoms, I've realized that firearms are not the only issue. No…no… it's much, much bigger than that.

I've come to understand that a cultural war is raging across our land, in which, with Orwellian fervor, certain affected thoughts and speech are mandated.

For example, I marched for civil rights with Dr. King in 1963 – long before Hollywood found it fashionable I might say. But when I told an audience last year that white pride is just as valid as black pride or red pride or anyone else's pride, they called me a racist.

I've worked with brilliantly talented homosexuals all my life throughout my whole career. But when I told an audience that gay rights should extend no further than your rights or my rights, I was called a homophobe.

I served in World War II against the Axis powers. But during a speech, when I drew an analogy between singling out innocent Jews and singling out innocent gun owners, I was called an anti-Semite.

Everyone I know knows I would never raise a closed fist against my country. But when I asked an audience to oppose this cultural persecution I am talking about, I was compared to Timothy McVeigh.

From Time magazine to friends and colleagues, they're essentially saying, "Chuck, how dare you speak your mind. You are using language not authorized for public consumption!"

But I am not afraid. If Americans believed in political correctness, we'd still be King George's boys-subjects bound to the British crown.

In his book, "The End of Sanity," Martin Gross writes that "blatantly irrational behavior is rapidly being established as the norm in almost every area of human endeavor. There seem to be new customs, new rules, new anti-intellectual theories regularly foisted on us from every direction. Underneath, the nation is roiling. Americans know something without a name is undermining the nation, turning the mind mushy when it comes to separating truth from falsehood and right from wrong. And they don't like it."

Let me read you a few examples.

At Antioch college in Ohio, young men seeking intimacy with a coed must get verbal permission at each step of the process from kissing to petting to final - at last - copulation ... all clearly spelled out in a printed college directive.

In New Jersey, despite the death of several patients nationwide who had been infected by dentists who had concealed their AIDs --- the state commissioner announced that health providers who are HIV-positive need not... need not ... tell their patients that they are infected.

At William and Mary, students tried to change the name of the school team "The Tribe" because it was supposedly insulting the local Indians, only to learn that authentic Virginia chiefs really liked the name "The Tribe".

In San Francisco, city fathers passed an ordinance protecting the rights of transvestites to cross-dress on the job, and for transsexuals to have separate toilet facilities while undergoing sex change surgery.

In New York City, kids who don't speak a word of Spanish have been placed in bilingual classes to learn their three R's in Spanish solely because their own names sound Hispanic.

At the University of Pennsylvania, in a state where thousands died at Gettysburg opposing slavery, the president of that college officially set up segregated dormitory space for black students. Yeah, I know ... that's out of bounds now. Dr. King said "Negroes." Jimmy Baldwin and most of us on the March said "black." But it's a no-no now.

For me, hyphenated identities are awkward ... particularly "Native-American." I'm a Native American, for God's sake. I also happen to be a blood-initiated brother of the Miniconjou Sioux. On my wife's side, my grandson is a twelfth generation native American ... with a capital letter on "American."

Finally, just last month ... David Howard, head of the Washington D.C. Office of Public Advocate, used the word "niggardly" while talking to colleagues about budgetary matters. Of course, "niggardly" means stingy or scanty. But within days Howard was forced to publicly apologize and then resign.

As columnist Tony Snow wrote: "David Howard got fired because some people in public employ were morons who

didn't know the meaning of niggardly,
didn't know how to use a dictionary to discover the meaning, and
actually demanded that he apologize for their ignorance."
What does all of this mean? It means that telling us what to think has evolved into telling us what to say , so telling us what to do can't be far behind.

Fred181 · 07-21-2003, 01:33 PM

Whatta ya know, all you have to do is type in the address and it links it!! Learn something new everyday! And I should have mentioned that is only about half of the whole speech given at harvard Univ in 1999.

Lebell · 07-21-2003, 04:00 PM

yup, the board code will automatically insert the links for an h t t p / w w w line.

06-30-2003, 12:22 PM	#46 (permalink)
sportsrule101 Insane	In this USA they have the right to call Bush an idiot and to support Mike Moore. I also have the right to call them total asshats, and to have a total dislike for the lying, number inflating, anti american mike moore __________________ winning isn't everything but losing isn't anything

06-30-2003, 01:35 PM	#48 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	Please cite an example of when Republican state legislatures have fled the state in order to prevent legislation from passing. You won't be able to, because only Democrats have stooped so low. __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

06-30-2003, 02:59 PM	#53 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	what nixon did was illegal, at least what the texas dem's did was legal __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

07-01-2003, 06:03 AM	#58 (permalink)
Conclamo Ludus Modern Man Location: West Michigan	The problem I have with the Texas walk-out is that it sets a bad precedent. From now on if you don't want legislation to pass, forget a filibuster, hell forget voting, just leave the state. Sure its "thinking outside the box" but it pisses in the face of the system. Redistricting is low but it is at least part of the system. And don't think for a minute Republicans are the only ones guilty of redistricting. It happens in every state all the time. The democrats certainly called attention to their plight, but they did so in a pathetic way. Work within the system or the system won't work. They would've had a better high-ground to stand on if they just would've publicized the hell out of what the republicans were trying to do, it might not have stopped it but the voters would know the sneaky things the reps were doing. Now they know the sneaky things the reps were doing and they know through the sneaky things the dems were doing. Walking out is like a child with a temper tantrum. "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no!" Its Screaming and storming out of the room so they can get their way. Effective? Yes. Pathetic? Most definitely. __________________ Lord, have mercy on my wicked soul I wouldn't mistreat you baby, for my weight in gold. -Son House, Death Letter Blues

07-03-2003, 05:00 AM	#64 (permalink)
sportsrule101 Insane	arnold shwatzneggar stars in mike moores new documentary, "THE BETRAYAL, the story of nashville. the catch of movie, the facts are inflated arnold wears grunge, and doesn't bath sound track done entirely by, Lynyrd Skynyrd, charlie daniels band and jonny cash and educated people don't watch it. __________________ winning isn't everything but losing isn't anything

07-03-2003, 07:50 AM	#65 (permalink)
ganon Insane Location: in my head	"No, no, no. You've misunderstood it. Anyone from the entertainment industry who disagrees with the Republican Party is a FILTHY SLUT and a WHORE, a NO-BRAIN-NO-NOTHING TRAITOR, a COMMIE who ought to be RUN OUT OF TOWN by a reincarnation of SAINT JOE MCCARTHY. And WHAT would DUMB ENTERTAINERS know about ANYTHING." I thought the FILTHY SLUT, WHORE, NO-BRAIN-NO-NOTHING TRAITORS were, According to Hillary Clinton and her minions, all of the women that were accusing Bill Clinton of sexual assault? Man, this thread is so cool!! All of this free speach going on right here! We sound like a bunch of opinionated blow hards, and it's all BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!! I love living in a country where I can talk shit and hate all of you assholes!! And you can all hate me back!!! __________________ "My give up, my give up." - Jar Jar Binks

07-21-2003, 09:50 AM	#72 (permalink)
Zeld2.0 Cherry-pickin' devil's advocate Location: Los Angeles	Bah why people even argue whether or not what a politician is doing is dirty is beyond me. After all the general concensus is politics are dirty and its always the other side thats worse

07-21-2003, 01:23 PM	#76 (permalink)
Fred181 Crazy Location: Frigid North	I am proposing nothing, nor should you be forced into doing anything. I agree wholeheartedly that you have the RIGHT to not support these individuals. I just find it interesting that people would choose that avenue. I also agree that this is free speech and free enterprise but I don't think that I would say that it is an example of it working... BTW, what is traitorous about saying you are ashamed to be from the same state as the president. What is the deffinition of a traitor?? __________________ My heart will be restless until it finds its final rest. Then they can weigh it...

07-21-2003, 01:31 PM	#77 (permalink)
Fred181 Crazy Location: Frigid North	I Realize this is long and written by the president of the NRA (cringe) Charlton Heston, but this is a great example of what we are talking about. I appologize for not being informed enough to link to the article but here is one of the addresses you can find it @ - http://193.78.190.200/historic/files/heston.htm Blah Blah Charlton Heston retoric... As I have stood in the crosshairs of those who target Second Amendment freedoms, I've realized that firearms are not the only issue. No…no… it's much, much bigger than that. I've come to understand that a cultural war is raging across our land, in which, with Orwellian fervor, certain affected thoughts and speech are mandated. For example, I marched for civil rights with Dr. King in 1963 – long before Hollywood found it fashionable I might say. But when I told an audience last year that white pride is just as valid as black pride or red pride or anyone else's pride, they called me a racist. I've worked with brilliantly talented homosexuals all my life throughout my whole career. But when I told an audience that gay rights should extend no further than your rights or my rights, I was called a homophobe. I served in World War II against the Axis powers. But during a speech, when I drew an analogy between singling out innocent Jews and singling out innocent gun owners, I was called an anti-Semite. Everyone I know knows I would never raise a closed fist against my country. But when I asked an audience to oppose this cultural persecution I am talking about, I was compared to Timothy McVeigh. From Time magazine to friends and colleagues, they're essentially saying, "Chuck, how dare you speak your mind. You are using language not authorized for public consumption!" But I am not afraid. If Americans believed in political correctness, we'd still be King George's boys-subjects bound to the British crown. In his book, "The End of Sanity," Martin Gross writes that "blatantly irrational behavior is rapidly being established as the norm in almost every area of human endeavor. There seem to be new customs, new rules, new anti-intellectual theories regularly foisted on us from every direction. Underneath, the nation is roiling. Americans know something without a name is undermining the nation, turning the mind mushy when it comes to separating truth from falsehood and right from wrong. And they don't like it." Let me read you a few examples. At Antioch college in Ohio, young men seeking intimacy with a coed must get verbal permission at each step of the process from kissing to petting to final - at last - copulation ... all clearly spelled out in a printed college directive. In New Jersey, despite the death of several patients nationwide who had been infected by dentists who had concealed their AIDs --- the state commissioner announced that health providers who are HIV-positive need not... need not ... tell their patients that they are infected. At William and Mary, students tried to change the name of the school team "The Tribe" because it was supposedly insulting the local Indians, only to learn that authentic Virginia chiefs really liked the name "The Tribe". In San Francisco, city fathers passed an ordinance protecting the rights of transvestites to cross-dress on the job, and for transsexuals to have separate toilet facilities while undergoing sex change surgery. In New York City, kids who don't speak a word of Spanish have been placed in bilingual classes to learn their three R's in Spanish solely because their own names sound Hispanic. At the University of Pennsylvania, in a state where thousands died at Gettysburg opposing slavery, the president of that college officially set up segregated dormitory space for black students. Yeah, I know ... that's out of bounds now. Dr. King said "Negroes." Jimmy Baldwin and most of us on the March said "black." But it's a no-no now. For me, hyphenated identities are awkward ... particularly "Native-American." I'm a Native American, for God's sake. I also happen to be a blood-initiated brother of the Miniconjou Sioux. On my wife's side, my grandson is a twelfth generation native American ... with a capital letter on "American." Finally, just last month ... David Howard, head of the Washington D.C. Office of Public Advocate, used the word "niggardly" while talking to colleagues about budgetary matters. Of course, "niggardly" means stingy or scanty. But within days Howard was forced to publicly apologize and then resign. As columnist Tony Snow wrote: "David Howard got fired because some people in public employ were morons who didn't know the meaning of niggardly, didn't know how to use a dictionary to discover the meaning, and actually demanded that he apologize for their ignorance." What does all of this mean? It means that telling us what to think has evolved into telling us what to say , so telling us what to do can't be far behind. __________________ My heart will be restless until it finds its final rest. Then they can weigh it...

07-21-2003, 01:33 PM	#78 (permalink)
Fred181 Crazy Location: Frigid North	Whatta ya know, all you have to do is type in the address and it links it!! Learn something new everyday! And I should have mentioned that is only about half of the whole speech given at harvard Univ in 1999. __________________ My heart will be restless until it finds its final rest. Then they can weigh it...

07-21-2003, 04:00 PM	#79 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	yup, the board code will automatically insert the links for an h t t p / w w w line. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!