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View Poll Results: Do you have less respect for Mr. Bush, or people who still support and defend him? | |||
I have less respect for Bush's defenders and supporters than for Bush | 4 | 66.67% | |
My lack of respect is about equal. | 2 | 33.33% | |
I have less respect for Mr. Bush than for his defenders and supporters. | 0 | 0% | |
Voters: 6. You may not vote on this poll |
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04-17-2008, 11:05 AM | #1 (permalink) | |||
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Who Do you Have Less Respect for? Mr. Bush or the People Who Still Support/Defend Him
Many of the Bush supporters who formerly posted on this forum are gone now. I think it's no wonder why that is so. The latest "news" is so outrageous and pathetic that I just have to ask....how do they do it?
How do people still post in support of Bush, here at TFP? If I was a supporter in Jan., 2005, after even the white house admitted that the WMD they thought were "there", turned out not to be "there", I would have abandoned my support for the president. Three more years have passed, and Bush is still defended here....and that also means that the defenders have had to overlook Mr. Cheney's flaws, his rhetoric, the Scooter Libby "results"....etc. So, I'm asking for your reactions: Quote:
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04-17-2008, 11:13 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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04-17-2008, 11:22 AM | #3 (permalink) |
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Since this is the political thread ...
I love you, host. *bats eyelashes* I didn't read your post, but in response to your survey, Bush could never have achieved what he has without handlers every step of the way. Those around him, those that excuse him and those that help to perpetuate him and push their own agendas are the ones I disrespect. I think if it was up to Bush, he'd still be partying in a dorm.
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04-17-2008, 11:28 AM | #4 (permalink) | |
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Perhaps there is a difference between a person having a view on an issue consistent with Bush and as you put it being a "Bush supporter". If you accept that difference then even those who literally hate Bush may be a supporter of Bush rather than as you put it a "Bush supporter".
You and many here seem to look at issues with a bias based on your dislike for Bush rather than principles, logic and reason. Unfortunately Congressional leadership has taken this approach and have been unable to lead effectively. It is a sad time for our nation. Quote:
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04-17-2008, 11:44 AM | #5 (permalink) |
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I have a hard time understanding how anyone, particularly conservatives, can be so cavalier about Bush policies and actions:
* to spy on Americans without a warrant (Congress has held firm on a more accountable FISA bill)Fortunately, those Bush apologists and sycophants are becoming increasingly marginalized. ace..what you call "bias", I call an expectation that a president will abide by the rule of law and the Constitution.
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04-17-2008, 11:50 AM | #6 (permalink) |
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Hey dc, since this is a troll thread with a troll poll and I have your attention, I've noticed you have only posted once in a non-political thread, at least as far back as I looked.
Do you get paid for this or is it free lance on the side?
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04-17-2008, 11:54 AM | #7 (permalink) | |
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On each of the issues DC references above there are legitimate opposing views and in some cases historic patterns of behaviors by many if not all past Presidents who have acted in a manner similar or in some cases worse than what they accuse Bush of. Again, Bush has had his problems, I am not aware of a "perfect" Presidency, but he has done a few things worthy of merit. To those who dislike Bush - they can not seem to get past the emotion of their dislike to give the man any credit.
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04-17-2008, 11:55 AM | #8 (permalink) | |
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I do get a little frustrated at times when you (and others) rarely offer a counter argument that is also based on facts.
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04-17-2008, 11:56 AM | #9 (permalink) | |
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And Ustwo strikes again, trolling a thread with a topic he doesn't agree with.
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04-17-2008, 12:02 PM | #10 (permalink) | |
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04-17-2008, 12:05 PM | #11 (permalink) |
Location: Washington DC
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ace....two wrongs dont make a right. The actions of former Presidents before our lifetime (none of whom I am aware of in the history of the country have been as excessive in their disdain for the Constitution and rule of law) dont excuse Bush's actions.
Didnt you learn than in kindergarten?
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04-17-2008, 12:12 PM | #12 (permalink) |
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Location: Manhattan, NY
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Let's keep this from mudslinging and flinging
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04-17-2008, 12:19 PM | #13 (permalink) | |
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I can do it on a boat, crossing a moat. I can do it on a boat, crossing a moat, with a goat. Opps, flash backs to kindergarten, sorry.
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"Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch." "It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions on vegetarianism while the wolf is of a different opinion." "If you live among wolves you have to act like one." "A lady screams at the mouse but smiles at the wolf. A gentleman is a wolf who sends flowers." |
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04-17-2008, 12:23 PM | #14 (permalink) |
Location: Washington DC
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ace....you also said in other threads that you would do many of the same things as Bush, in fact "whatever you could get away with as President", even knowing that they were illegal and unconstitutional.
I have no respect for that position.
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04-17-2008, 12:57 PM | #15 (permalink) | |
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What I say is that People generally do what is their best interest. And, we should expect that. A President in most instances will not ignore an opportunity to gain more power. I would do that. Perhaps you would not. However, if that is your nature and you live in a world with people like me, well...let's just say you would reap what you sow. In the power struggles between the executive branch and Congress it has been a given and take, it has not always been pretty, it has not always been open, and it has not always been consistent with what our founding fathers intended. When "your/my guy" is winning "you/me" tend to ignore the unpleasant stuff, that is what I mean by "consistency" or being "objective", it takes effort. Some put in the effort some don't. To me it is obvious who does and who does not. I put in the effort and those who don't want to marginalize my view on issues where I support Bush, another example of BS. I don't have a "Disney Land" (let's all be happy) view of politics. So in your overly simplified view of what I may or may not try to get away with you seem to suggest that you are on some morale high ground, but there is no high ground in politics. there never has been and there never will be - people will do what is their best interest.
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04-17-2008, 01:00 PM | #16 (permalink) |
Location: Washington DC
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ace...if you want to justify your extreme positions by criticizing my approach to, and understanding of, how our political system works...thats cool. It really doesnt offend me.
If you ever make it to Washington, I'll give you a grand tour and a few private lessons in government and politics....I'll even bring in some Repub friends as guest lecturers!
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04-17-2008, 01:06 PM | #17 (permalink) | |
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I also agree with him on Israel. I had to go stare at myself in a mirror for a while after realizing these two things. Those people who still give him a favorable rating... I just can't get my head around it. |
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04-17-2008, 01:13 PM | #18 (permalink) | ||
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Has there been power struggles in Washington? Have those struggles been pretty? Open? Fair? Honest? Do people - do what is in their best interest? Do you really think my view on government are extreme? Or, am I saying things about government that are simply better left unsaid? Quote:
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04-17-2008, 01:15 PM | #20 (permalink) | |
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04-17-2008, 01:22 PM | #21 (permalink) | |
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Maybe next time I am down your way. I dont travel as much as I did in the past, but I still get out to meet local government leaders and corporate execs around the country fairly often to get a hands on feel for the issues facing the people I work with. I could probably squeeze you in.
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04-17-2008, 03:26 PM | #23 (permalink) | |
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The facts may shake up some pre-conceived opinions...put the pain is only temporary.
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04-17-2008, 03:41 PM | #24 (permalink) |
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Location: essex ma
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well, there seems to be a kind of rule of thumb abroad in the land that if you've got nothing to say and that fact makes you snarky, act out.
works great in a debate forum. just look at the thread. and of course, it's no-one's fault. naturally.
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04-17-2008, 03:51 PM | #25 (permalink) | |
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the idea that if you can't discuss it, use the back button should be more sought after as a response.
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I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. |
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04-17-2008, 04:09 PM | #26 (permalink) |
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Location: Twilight Zone
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I find it hard to believe that the mods let this poll/thread start from the begining. It is a troll from the get go, so being it was allowed to continue I will start my own poll.
Who do you respect more? The democrat party or the loons that follow it?
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04-17-2008, 04:24 PM | #27 (permalink) | |
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Can I study this for a bit and get back to you on it? Im currently in deep contemplation of the BLAME AMERICA SYNAPSE region. |
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04-17-2008, 04:27 PM | #28 (permalink) |
Location: Washington DC
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powerclown and reconmike......study it as long as you like.
Then, when you are ready to have a fact-based discussion on any of the issues raised in any recent TFP politics thread......let me know! I'll look forward to it.
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04-17-2008, 04:29 PM | #29 (permalink) | ||
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04-17-2008, 04:31 PM | #30 (permalink) | |
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And quite frankly I couldn't give a flying rat's ass if Host or any other of the Hostites respected me, hell I love a good draft dodger as long as he rots in prison.
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04-17-2008, 06:27 PM | #32 (permalink) |
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Location: Fort Worth, TX
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This thread is dumb.
I'm honestly tempted to start a new poll/thread. What do you have less respect for? 1) Liberals 2) Liberals who support liberal theology 3) Liberals who preach liberal thoughts It doesn't exactly lend itself to a discussion does it? It would and should be closed asap.
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04-17-2008, 06:50 PM | #33 (permalink) | |
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There are problems with the thread, but its discuss-ability isn't one of them, IMO. |
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04-17-2008, 07:37 PM | #34 (permalink) | |
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I'm disappointed.
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