04-02-2008, 12:07 PM | #1 (permalink) | |
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What's Happening in Basra?
Piggybacking off of the semi-recent 'is the surge working' thread, another look at the very complex situation that has unfolded over the last week in southern Iraq. I thought at least a few of you might be interested in this very insightful article from Malcolm Nance of the Small Wars Journal.
One thing that he touches on but, in my opinion, understates is that Jaysh al-Mahdi aside, the Maliki government in Baghdad itself has a very close relationship with Tehran. Recall the recent state visit of Ahmadinejad to Iraq. The dominant party in the Iraqi Parliament is ISCI, formerly SCIRI, which was founded by Shi'a Iraqi exiles in Tehran with Iranian support. While JAM is often portrayed as an 'Iran-backed militia' in the press, I think it is often lost on folks that if anything, ISCI/Dawa has an even stronger historical relationship with Iran than JAM does. Enjoy the article; I think Nance is fairly close to the mark here. I am more optimistic than he is that Sadr's intervention to end the fighting is a sign that he can be counted on as an element in some stable governing coalition in the future, rather than remaining forever an entrenched militant spoiler to potential power-sharing deals. But it's all guesses at this point. Quote:
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04-02-2008, 05:21 PM | #2 (permalink) |
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Basra in a nutshell
Al-Sadr: You aren't giving me enough respect! To arms! Maliki: Shut up and sit down *Fighting* *Sadr's army loses 358 KIA, 531 Wounded, 343 Captured, 30 Surrendered over only 3 days* Al-Sadr: Put down your arms! Maliki isn't so bad! US War Supporters: *smile patiently* US War Opposers: WE'RE LOSING! PULL OUT NOW!
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04-02-2008, 05:23 PM | #3 (permalink) | |
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Sadr's milita was losing......in what world do you live?
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We are now more embroiled than even in the crossfire of multiple battles involving different political and religious interests...and we cant tell them apart.
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04-02-2008, 06:17 PM | #4 (permalink) |
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Oh yes, it's the man who cries stop fighting is the one winning the battle.
God I haven't seen that much spinning since my 21st birthday.
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04-02-2008, 06:54 PM | #5 (permalink) |
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there are non press-pool analyses of basra that indicate that the central government has never had any control over it, that it has been chaos for quite some time, split amongst a variety of militia groups and that maliki fucked up in trying to precipitate a military action against these groups, found out that it was more than the iraqi/american forces counted on or could deal with, got bogged down almost immediately and are having their asses bailed out by the offer of a cease fire for al-sadr.
or you can watch the press pool releases and believe all kinds of arbitrary stuff about an imaginary conflict in which things are going swimmingly. it's really just a matter of information streams. fact is that iraq is as it has been--a fiasco of proportions that make you wonder about some divine agency that forces leaders who wage wars on illegitmate grounds to pay and pay and pay for that--not with their own blood of course--that'd be too easy. i wonder if george w bush sleeps well.
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04-02-2008, 08:43 PM | #6 (permalink) |
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Yeah I'm kind of bothered by this, even if it wasn't an actual military defeat, the bottom line is this equates to peace without victory, something I am certain is not a good thing.
I get the reality of the shit storm that would follow here, but I still cannot help but wonder why Al-Sadr is still alive.
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04-02-2008, 10:44 PM | #7 (permalink) |
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The Iraq situation is almost like getting an STD. The fucking you get for the fucking you got, only we never got laid. We just pay and pay. More lives, more money, more world standing. I'm sure we're going to turn the corner real soon. I know this because Bush and Co. keeps telling me this is the turning point. From purple fingers to the surge. The promised land is just ahead boys. Just around the next bend. Just a little farther. Just a few more lives. Just a few 100 billion more. You'll see, it'll have been worth it.
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04-03-2008, 05:59 AM | #8 (permalink) | |
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04-03-2008, 07:04 AM | #9 (permalink) | |
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from this morning's ny times...
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I'm not challenging anything specifically in your article, just sayimg that the NY Times seems to have learned nothing from it's experience employing Judith Miller, even though the "problem" of Michael Gordon has been repeatedly brought to the newspaper's attention....I guess they just like things the way they are: Quote:
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04-03-2008, 09:20 PM | #11 (permalink) | |
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Once again from the NY Times, seems 1000 Iraqi's didn't want to partake in the festivities and refused to fight or deserted their posts.
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04-04-2008, 09:40 AM | #12 (permalink) | |
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An interesting article in the WSJ looks at the political implications of the "Basra Battle"
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If the Sadirsts win convincingly in the southern provincial elections in the Fall, strenghen their position for the next national elections in Spring 09 and possibly win a parliamentary majority, particularly with the sentiment of the Iraqi people opposed to the continued and unending US occupation, and ultimately choose the next PM...replacing a US puppet (Malaki)) with a Sadr puppet. The big winner in this scenario.....IRAN. Sadr has called for millions to march in Najaf next week to express opposition to the US occupation. If anywhere near that number show up.....Malaki is in deep shit. If the US interferes in any way with this march and creates a bloodbath....even deeper shit.
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04-04-2008, 10:11 AM | #13 (permalink) | |
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Gary Brecher, in his initimable style, also offers a pessimistic (but realistic) take on Basra here: http://exile.ru/articles/detail.php?...7&IBLOCK_ID=35 |
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04-04-2008, 10:18 AM | #14 (permalink) | |
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Iran became the big winner in the region on the day we removed its greatest neutralizing force....Saddam, the secularist.
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