Strange Famous

A black president or a female president?

Besides the issues, besides the personalities... which is the most appealling?

A morally significant and proportionally irrelevant percentage of any election is based on a sober and informed understanding of policy, a good part on personality, the rest on class.

But if America is a society is a society without class, where does it go?

I am sure there are some genuine sexists and racists, but they are pretty small voting force...

A few people will back whichever candidate on the basis of politics.

There is a big vote on personality... Obama the good guy vs Hillary the clever girl (and if you must add in McCain, the angry moralist)

The decision, I think will rest on whether the un-interested but voting majority back an earnest, decent and trustworthy black guy, or an upper class, ackward but bright white woman.


I suppose McCain could win, but then so could Nader or Ron Paul....

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Cynthetiq

what about a GOOD president?

I don't care if they are black, white, male, female... I just want a fiscally and politically responsible president.

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Strange Famous

And thats not a bad idea... but I think you are in the minority.

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"Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate,
for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing
hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain
without being uncovered."

The Gospel of Thomas

Ustwo

I think as a U.K. Communist you might not have a complete picture of the US political arena from reading the guardian and the independent.

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ottopilot

When you boil it down, the remaining candidates are hardcore survivors in a high-stakes contest of influence, deal making, beating up and destroying opponents (even within their own political parties). Race and gender are not the central motivators of the voting majority. Sadly, the politics of party-maneuvering has left us with a shallow pool of ruthless pandering left-overs (IMHO) that happen to be a white female, A black man, and one aging white man.

A positive person might say that the appearance of diversity in presidential politics is a sign of progress and growth. I'm not a pessimist, but I'm not ready to take that philosophical leap. The average person just wants someone honest, competent, and prepared ... but we're stuck with these three.

I'll struggle to pull the lever for any of the current candidates.

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Ustwo

When I first read this I read it as 'pull the trigger'.

Amusing.

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Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host

Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

ottopilot

The force is indeed strong ... I almost posted with "trigger".

scary.

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roachboy

my only concern at the moment is the obvious one for anyone who is not a straight ticket republican voter no matter what---that the democratic party process will drag on long enough, and become destructive enough to damage both candidates.

if i could choose i would prefer to see clinton as vice president and obama at the top of the ticket--this for a lot of reasons, none of which are covered in the poll.

the bloodletting stopped and attention turned to preventing another period of republican-led extension of policies that manifestly have not worked and will not work if they are continued---that would be the preference at this point.

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MSD

I'm non-partisan in that I sway almost weekly on whether I dislike the Democrats or Republicans more, and it is my opinion that Obama would make a better president than Clinton. If he chose Bill Richardson as VP to help cover his inexperience on foreign policy, to balance his extreme gun control stance, and to partner with someone who is moderate and sensible on immigration, I would have a hard time voting for anyone else.

ASU2003

This is pretty much how I feel too. McCain does go after earmarks more and as better military strategies. But Obama/Richardson would be very hard to beat.