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SirSeymour 03-13-2008 11:13 AM

I see...

I guess I just view this as closer to prosecuting the drug addict and letting the dealer go free. I know the analogy is not perfect but it is as close I can get.

And yeah, I know if it was not this specific girl then it would have been another. In fact, I think we pretty much know there were others right? I mean, she was not the only girl from this service that he did this with if I understand right.

I am not absolving Spitzer either. He is just as wrong. I just can't get past the point that in the end they will suffer the "shame, exposure, legal jeopardy" as loquitur says but she will come out of it way up in terms of at least money, although knowing America she will be celebritized and gain more than just money out of it.

I just find it a bit incongruous that this act could well launch her career while killing his and they are both equally guilty of the same crime.

powerclown 03-13-2008 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SirSeymour
I just find it a bit incongruous that this act could well launch her career while killing his and they are both equally guilty of the same crime.

The way it launched Gennifer Flowers/Paula Jones/Monica Lewinsky's careers? I don't see her getting much out of this really, besides some myspace love from a bunch of lousy rappers, ex-cons, and middle-aged satyrs.

SirSeymour 03-13-2008 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by powerclown
The way it launched Gennifer Flowers/Paula Jones/Monica Lewinsky's careers? I don't see her getting much out of this really, besides some myspace love from a bunch of lousy rappers, ex-cons, and middle-aged satyrs.

The first two where both paid to pose for Penthouse and Flowers got a book deal out of it. While I can't call this a "career" for either, you do have to say that they have profited financially from their involvement with Clinton. You can't tell me either would have had any of the offers they received otherwise. I would bet that Monica has received similar offers and apparently refused them as judged by the low profile she has kept in the years since her internship.

The only reason I can see that they do not continue to turn up in the public eye is because they chose not to. We can't seem to get rid of Tonya Harding...

mixedmedia 03-13-2008 01:45 PM

hmmm, I still don't care about either of these people...what is wrong with me? :p

Tully Mars 03-13-2008 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mixedmedia
what is wrong with me? :p

Hmm, really? Let's see... I don't even know where to start:D

powerclown 03-13-2008 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SirSeymour
You can't tell me either would have had any of the offers they received otherwise.

The only reason I can see that they do not continue to turn up in the public eye is because they chose not to. We can't seem to get rid of Tonya Harding...

No, you're right. They all had their 15.5 minutes just for opening their mouths and saying ahh. They did profit financially, Bill's presidency was irreversibly marked, and - worst of all - we as a nation are still dealing with the fallout, what with his scorned, vengeful wife as presidential candidate.

Wait, you're righter than I thought you were, lol...

percy 03-13-2008 02:38 PM

Just an afterthough really but,...anyone notice when Spitzer first came out with his wife to tell the press about his act, Silda was wearing a pearl necklace.

Surprised no jokes about the hooker's pearl necklace that is warm and creamy and wipes off with a hotel towel.

Just a thought

Miss Mango 03-13-2008 03:32 PM

If you think Spitzers got it bad, take a look at the police chief of Tehran, Iran.
Like so many though, his only real mistake was getting caught.
Similar ideologies, identical hypocrisies.

pig 03-13-2008 03:48 PM

well, if you're going to be unfaithful in your marriage, and you're going to fuck someone...i'd much rather a politician fuck a hooker than the intern in his office. it's sad, somewhat, but i expect this type of behavior. my only question is whether or not he paid for the hooker with taxpayer money. if so, he should be prosecuted completely. for misappropriation of taxpayer money or whatever the official legal terminology is. if he didn't, then i honestly don't care - and i would prefer that he/they use high-powered prostitution services that keep their mouths shut (no jokes bitches) than regular-ass people who get caught up in the drama. as far as this discussion goes, if clinton had used a high-profile escort service, he would have probably been better off. god knows they get paid well enough to find and pay the best hookers out there using their own money.

Hanxter 03-13-2008 04:25 PM

get hal to contact her... she'll be twice as famous!!!

tho... we may need another server to handle the load...

get it?

percy 03-16-2008 04:41 PM

Just another random thought for those who are still interested. The media has splashed Spitzer and his hooker all over to the point of near boredom.

If still issue isn't dead, I have a question.

Why have the media stayed away from printing/showing the names of those who ran the escort agency? I find it very interesting that absolutely nothing has been uncovered by the media, or if it has, is being suppressed.

Who are these people? Anyone know any names?

QuasiMondo 03-16-2008 05:10 PM

Because Spitzer and Kristen are way more interesting to dig up dirt on than some invisible behind the scenes people. It's not like the agency is pulling a Heidi Fleiss and threatening to open up their little black book.

Of course if they did that, things would get real interesting real quick.

loquitur 03-16-2008 07:25 PM

The names are out there. Even some pictures. It was one man and three women. The criminal complaint is here. There were pictures of Hollander in the papers, actually.

ottopilot 03-17-2008 06:25 PM

New NY Gov. Paterson Confesses Affair
 
oops? Only hours after being sworn in, New York's new Gov. Paterson (D) admits to sex with other woman for years.

www.nydailynews.com

nothing really to say ... :no:

percy 03-18-2008 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by QuasiMondo
Because Spitzer and Kristen are way more interesting to dig up dirt on than some invisible behind the scenes people. It's not like the agency is pulling a Heidi Fleiss and threatening to open up their little black book.

Of course if they did that, things would get real interesting real quick.

Yup. And the way this story just fell of the map tells me there are other big fish involved. Someone is shutting it down and now deflecting attention to the replacement Govenor. Even the hooker is pretty much forgotten

Even OJ would get more media time for something less scandalous

loquitur 03-18-2008 01:56 PM

Well, Spitzer is yesterday's news.
And the stuff about Pateron's affair comes under the heading of "TMI" for me. I understand why he and his wife went public about it, and why they did it now, but for the life of me I really wish I didn't have to know this stuff.

dc_dux 03-18-2008 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by loquitur
The names are out there. Even some pictures. It was one man and three women. The criminal complaint is here. There were pictures of Hollander in the papers, actually.

loquitor....one of the charges of these guys is under the Mann Act (White-Slave Traffic Act of 1917).

Do you think Spitzer will be charged and prosecuted under this Act....particularly with its checked past of selective prosecution?

loquitur 03-18-2008 07:01 PM

dc_dux, I don't know, but I kinda doubt it. It's very rare that johns get charged, but it's even rarer that some federal prosecutor has a bead on a state governor (outside Louisiana). So who the hell knows. I suspect a NY (Manhattan) jury won't be willing to convict someone whose "crime" is seeing prostitutes who are not underage, even with smoking gun evidence - and if that is the case, prosecutors won't bother prosecuting, at least not for that violation. The financial stuff, maybe, but even that doesn't strike me as a great case to bring - not because they couldn't prove the crime but because it's such a piece of shit crime that a judge and a jury would just get pissed off about it. What friends and colleagues of mine think might be the outcome is that they might bargain to give up his law license for a while. But it's really hard to know. If it turns out he used campaign money to pay "Kristen" - well, that would be a case that probably would get prosecuted. But I can't imagine Spitzer would have been that stupid.

powerclown 03-19-2008 02:04 PM

Aside: Check the clothes...both couples...

http://www.phillymag.com/blogs/phill...y_and_wife.jpg

http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m3/ma...47A2425AE6.jpg

Tully Mars 03-19-2008 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by powerclown


That's almost eerie. Is there some fashion consultant you go to for this type of event?

QuasiMondo 03-19-2008 04:44 PM

We'll have to wait until there's another cheating governor to see if this is a pattern in dress code.

Jinn 03-19-2008 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Jazz
Shoot date of June with it being on shelves in September but the teaser pics hitting the internet in August.

And posted by Loquitur on the Titty Board on, say, 8/15/08. Place your bets.
Isn't it important for the public to be informed?
Ya'll were so close - Girls Gone Wild had footage of her - Ms. Dupre, taken in a club - they had a million dollar bid on the table until they realized she was 17.

http://www.eonline.com/news/article/...8-e18ce79d85dd

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In response to this discovery, Girls Gone Wild founder Joe Francis withdrew his offer to pay Ms. Dupré one million dollars to appear on the 2008 Girls Gone Wild Spring Break Tour and shoot a pictorial in the brand new GGW magazine.

Girls Gone Wild will shortly release a full video of Ms. Dupre which includes same-sex encounters.

The appearance stems from Ms. Dupré's 2003 trip to Miami to celebrate her eighteenth birthday. After fighting with a friend and getting thrown out of her hotel, Ms. Dupré sought out a nearby Girls Gone Wild bus, signed her paperwork and immediately began filming. Ms. Dupré spent a full week on the GGW bus and shot seven full length tapes that included nudity and same sex contact. Dupré later took a Greyhound Bus home.


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