Do you consider abortion when choosing a candidate? - Page 2 - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

miko · 03-07-2008, 08:45 PM

It definitely makes a big difference to me.
It's a big issue.

fastom · 03-07-2008, 11:41 PM

Those candidates always make me think of abortion... but it's too late, they are already campaigning.

I don't think there should be laws on abortion, it depends on the circumstances in each case.

Strange Famous · 03-08-2008, 10:52 AM

Of course, in the UK this is not an issue which is in the political mainstream, and it is unthinkable that abortion could be criminalised here - although there is a minority of MP's who sometimes try to make it one.

But I would not, under any circumstance, vote for any politican who sought to criminalise abortion.

FoolThemAll · 03-08-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Jazz

Government officials shouldn't discuss it. In other words, it's a personal decision.

It's a personal decision in the same way that child abuse is a personal decison.

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Of course the government should control how people interact with one another. They should not control how people pro-create or chose not to.

Um, I agree.

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Oh, and to get to your argument about how this is poorly phrase, you fucked up when you chose to ignore the first clause - "I wish". That's what I agreed with. To then attack a statement as being poorly phrase because it's a simple wish is asinine.

You should have been more clear. I took it as a whole. As a whole, it was poorly phrased at best.

sprocket · 03-09-2008, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by FoolThemAll

If rape laws were ineffective against rape, if the real key was to convince some culture of rape to transform themselves into a culture where rape was unforgivably taboo, if solid evidence backed up the 'superior' alternative of providing rapists with 'options'...

Rape laws would still be absolutely necessary. Not tomorrow. Not ten years from now. Not when the country was 'ready'. Today.

The argument sucks.

Look at the middle east... what if they changed the law tomorrow, in Saudi Arabia. Instead of the current situation, a man will be punished for committing a rape, instead of punishing the female victim. Its ingrained in their culture and belief system that rape is a womans fault, for inciting a mans "passions" (by showing a little too much skin or by being too provocative). Switching the laws around tomorrow to a western style rape laws would go over like a ton of bricks..

If a society has agreed upon a certain set of morals, it doesnt matter if the law says the opposite.. they wont work. At least not in a country like the US, where we have due process, and a notion that punishments must fit the crimes etc. In a totalitarian regime, where public, on the spot executions are possible, laws that go against the culture can be a little more effective

debaser · 03-09-2008, 08:32 AM

Yes, I do consider abortion. I think of how much better the world would be if Dorothy Howell, Ann Dunham, and Roberta McCain had considered them more seriously.

Just kidding. I mean really, if you can't crack wise about abortion, what can you joke about?

FoolThemAll · 03-09-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sprocket

Look at the middle east... what if they changed the law tomorrow, in Saudi Arabia. Instead of the current situation, a man will be punished for committing a rape, instead of punishing the female victim. Its ingrained in their culture and belief system that rape is a womans fault, for inciting a mans "passions" (by showing a little too much skin or by being too provocative). Switching the laws around tomorrow to a western style rape laws would go over like a ton of bricks..

I don't really mind the unpopularity and resistance that would result from strongarming a culture into not punishing rape victims. My conscience is more bothered by a peaceful inaction/slowaction. My foremost concern would be finding effective methods in meeting that ton of bricks and overcoming it.

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If a society has agreed upon a certain set of morals, it doesnt matter if the law says the opposite.. they wont work.

That's an awfully huge thing to say. They won't work? Ever? Change by force isn't possible? Obviously, people can be sheep. Naively or not, I'm a little more optimistic about the chances of switching out the pro-rape shepherd for the anti-rape shepherd.

Or the pro-choice shepherd for the anti-choice shepherd. Of course it won't eradicate abortion, but rape isn't exactly nonexistent here either.

KnifeMissile · 03-25-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Infinite_Loser

That's a bold faced lie. There's a strong correlation between the legality of abortion and the number of abortions performed per year. It's no surprise that the countries with the highest instance of abortions (Both legal and illegal) are the countries in which abortion is legal. Looking just at the U.S., the percentage of pregnancies ending in abortion (Once again, both legal and illegal) pre-Roe vs. Wade absolutely pails in comparison to the percentage of pregnancies ending in abortions post-Roe vs. Wade, especially in the 1980's.

I can't help but express a peeve of mine...

If you're going to bold a word, at least make sure that word is spelled correctly!
God damn it...

03-08-2008, 10:52 AM	#43 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	Of course, in the UK this is not an issue which is in the political mainstream, and it is unthinkable that abortion could be criminalised here - although there is a minority of MP's who sometimes try to make it one. But I would not, under any circumstance, vote for any politican who sought to criminalise abortion. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

03-09-2008, 08:32 AM	#46 (permalink)
debaser Sir, I have a plan... Location: 38S NC20943324	Yes, I do consider abortion. I think of how much better the world would be if Dorothy Howell, Ann Dunham, and Roberta McCain had considered them more seriously. Just kidding. I mean really, if you can't crack wise about abortion, what can you joke about? __________________ Fortunato became immured to the sound of the trowel after a while.

03-07-2008, 08:45 PM	#41 (permalink)
miko Insane	It definitely makes a big difference to me. It's a big issue.

03-07-2008, 11:41 PM	#42 (permalink)
fastom Psycho Location: way out west	Those candidates always make me think of abortion... but it's too late, they are already campaigning. I don't think there should be laws on abortion, it depends on the circumstances in each case.