Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community (https://thetfp.com/tfp/)
-   Tilted Politics (https://thetfp.com/tfp/tilted-politics/)
-   -   Political Affiliations (https://thetfp.com/tfp/tilted-politics/129584-political-affiliations.html)

Atreides88 12-31-2007 04:04 PM

Political Affiliations
 
I did some searching but could not find anything specific. I apologize ahead of time if this is a repost.

Anyway, it seems there is an eclectic mix of political ideologies on this board and was wondering just how many people affiliated themselves with the Democrats, the Republicans, or neither.

As for myself, I consider myself a classic conservative. A Republican in the mold of Theodore Roosevelt(hence the avatar) more than George Bush. I am pro-democracy, pro-capitalism, pro-small government, and am not a big fan of taxes. I could care less about abortion, gay marriage, and all the myriad of other things that are petty in sight of the larger issues of a slowing economy, the war on terror, and the loss of a large industrial base in America.

Willravel 12-31-2007 04:12 PM

I'm registered Green... think Kucinich meets Gore, with a socialist mix.

highthief 12-31-2007 04:32 PM

We don't "register" ourselves in Canada - I find the idea of "registering" your political beliefs slightly odd, although some people do become members of parties - I get the impression it's not quite the same thing, however.

At any rate, I vote for whatever party best represents my beliefs and interests at the time of the election. Both federally and provincially over the years I have voted Liberal, Conservative and Green several times. Once, living in Quebec, I even voted for the Rhinocerous Party, a joke party that was formed to give people an option when they realized everyone else sucked.

Willravel 12-31-2007 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highthief
I find the idea of "registering" your political beliefs slightly odd...

Seconded.

djtestudo 12-31-2007 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highthief
We don't "register" ourselves in Canada - I find the idea of "registering" your political beliefs slightly odd, although some people do become members of parties - I get the impression it's not quite the same thing, however.

At any rate, I vote for whatever party best represents my beliefs and interests at the time of the election. Both federally and provincially over the years I have voted Liberal, Conservative and Green several times. Once, living in Quebec, I even voted for the Rhinocerous Party, a joke party that was formed to give people an option when they realized everyone else sucked.

Well, the only reason you register is so you can participate in the primaries of the party you register for.

ottopilot 12-31-2007 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highthief
We don't "register" ourselves in Canada - I find the idea of "registering" your political beliefs slightly odd...

thirded.
I'm registered independent. I guess my beliefs run closer to libertarian... but not enough to join the party. The party system can be a strength and a weakness. It reminds me of trade and labor unions. I'd like to see the official campaign period restricted to 90 days or less (including primaries).

Elphaba 12-31-2007 06:10 PM

Washington State has recently required that we register our party affiliation, due to a Supreme Court decision that was reviewed for another state. I hate it! We are a State that has a large contingent of Independents (at least on the West side) but now we cannot participate in the primaries unless we pick a party ahead of time. What became of our right to privacy of the vote, if we must declare a party? This makes vote tampering all the more easier imo.

ubertuber 12-31-2007 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elphaba
Washington State has recently required that we register our party affiliation, due to a Supreme Court decision that was reviewed for another state. I hate it! We are a State that has a large contingent of Independents (at least on the West side) but now we cannot participate in the primaries unless we pick a party ahead of time. What became of our right to privacy of the vote, if we must declare a party? This makes vote tampering all the more easier imo.

That's an interesting point Elphaba. I suppose the reasoning goes that primary elections aren't for public office. But then, they shouldn't have any standing in the general election.

It's tricky, because I can see the point that the Republicans don't want Democrats voting in the Republican primaries because they might get a weak candidate nominated for the general election (or vice versa --- I actually read something about the Dems feeling that Huckabee would be a great "glass jaw" opponent). In fact, the trickiness of the situation just goes to reinforce my belief that it is our political parties that run this country, not the elected officials or the people.

P.S. Atreides, it's too bad there's no unaffiliated or independent option that doesn't include "apathetic". You want a poll edit? It's your choice.

highthief 12-31-2007 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djtestudo
Well, the only reason you register is so you can participate in the primaries of the party you register for.

Hmmm ... people here may join a political party, and in doing so generally become quite active, and participate in leadership elections and party caucuses.

My impression, and correct me if I'm wrong, but huge numbers of Americans are "registered" as either Democrats or Republicans, many (most?) of whom do not actively participate?

I think here relatively few people tend to tie themselves to parties, of which we have 3 "major" parties (Liberals, Conservatives, NDP), 1 major regional party (Bloc Quebecois) and 1 rapidly growing party (the Greens), whereas in the US, with only 2 parties, tens of millions want to permanently associate with one or the other and will never switch sides.

Sun Tzu 12-31-2007 07:46 PM

Conservative on certain issues, Liberal on others.

Libertarian

Sensei 12-31-2007 08:12 PM

I find it funny that the number of Libertarians equal the number of GOP and Dem combined. And that's after my vote in the Big Two is included.

Elphaba 12-31-2007 08:22 PM

Sensei, I can only speak for myself but there is nothing in the poll selections that I can choose. It is missing an important part of the electorate that can change red to blue and blue to red. Independents are not so easily classified as the poll choices.

Ustwo 12-31-2007 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elphaba
Washington State has recently required that we register our party affiliation, due to a Supreme Court decision that was reviewed for another state. I hate it! We are a State that has a large contingent of Independents (at least on the West side) but now we cannot participate in the primaries unless we pick a party ahead of time. What became of our right to privacy of the vote, if we must declare a party? This makes vote tampering all the more easier imo.

Maybe its to keep people from screwing with primaries by voting for the worst candidate on the other side.

For example I'd love every right wing voter to vote to nominate Kusinich, but only because I know he would lose the general election. That sort of tampering isn't the intent of the primary.

Edit: ah uber covered it.

The poll needs to be reworded really.

Its who you VOTE for that matters, not who you align with (aka Libertarian).

Elphaba 12-31-2007 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ustwo
Maybe its to keep people from screwing with primaries by voting for the worst candidate on the other side.

For example I'd love every right wing voter to vote to nominate Kusinich, but only because I know he would lose the general election. That sort of tampering isn't the intent of the primary.

Edit: ah uber covered it.

The poll needs to be reworded really.

Its who you VOTE for that matters, not who you align with (aka Libertarian).

Am I supposed to be in awe of this *new* revelation, U2? Sheesh. That argument is the whole basis of the SCOTUS review of one state's voting record that got automatically extended to my state. There is no evidence that primary voting was ever manipulated in that way in Washington, but what the hey! You must now choose a political "name" for yourself and if you refuse to do so you cannot participate in the primaries. Primary games are not the issue. Forced voter identification of party is the issue.

Ustwo 12-31-2007 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elphaba
Am I supposed to be in awe of this *new* revelation, U2? Sheesh. That argument is the whole basis of the SCOTUS review of one state's voting record that got automatically extended to my state. There is no evidence that primary voting was ever manipulated in that way in Washington, but what the hey! You must now choose a political "name" for yourself and if you refuse to do so you cannot participate in the primaries. Primary games are not the issue. Forced voter identification of party is the issue.

Well I hope you can cope with it then. I don't see it as a big deal to be quite honest.

Elphaba 12-31-2007 09:16 PM

I am quite certain that you wouldn't.

Willravel 12-31-2007 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ustwo
Well I hope you can cope with it then. I don't see it as a big deal to be quite honest.

Weren't you the one who was convinced that anyone would sell their vote? You're starting to paint a consistent picture, but I'm not sure it's the one you intend.

Atreides88 12-31-2007 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ubertuber
P.S. Atreides, it's too bad there's no unaffiliated or independent option that doesn't include "apathetic". You want a poll edit? It's your choice.

Well, I suppose an "Independent" option could be added, I have no idea how to do that. The "unregistered/apathetic" was geared towards those who were not registered to vote and/or were apathetic to the politics. Sorry for any confusion or inconvenience.

Ustwo 12-31-2007 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elphaba
I am quite certain that you wouldn't.

You want to vote in a party primary as an independent...... well no.

If you want to take part in the primary you should at least declare you are a member of that party. I think this is in fact a good thing as its a weakness in the whole primary system some have been talking about exploiting as of late. In 2000 for example McCain won the Michigan Republican primary as the democrats elected to not hold a primary, and based on exit poll data it were democrats who gave him the victory, democrats who had no intention of voting for him in the general election for the most part I'm sure.

There is no obligation for a party to have a primary in the first place. Its a way for their members to have a voice, in the old days this did not happen. Even today it doesn't always happen.

Honestly the primary system as a whole has issues but how a party wants to do it is up to them.

If it were for the general election, then ok I'd be all up in arms, but its not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by willravel
Weren't you the one who was convinced that anyone would sell their vote? You're starting to paint a consistent picture, but I'm not sure it's the one you intend.

And what would that be will? That for enough money anyone would change their vote? True, even an idealistic kid fresh out of school would if the check were big enough. If the election comes down to one vote then he can get all remorseful. As for this issue, will you know that primaries are for the party right?

Willravel 12-31-2007 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ustwo
And what would that be will?

You don't seem to place a high value on a democratic vote.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ustwo
As for this issue, will you know that primaries are for the party right?

Of course. I also know that they're polarization-paloozas and are entirely useless. The idea of anyone voting for reps from parties, especially third parties and indys, seems more reasonable to me. It seems stupid to, for example, be a republican, choose a republican candidate, but still be free to vote for any candidate. Does that make sense to you?

LoganSnake 12-31-2007 11:42 PM

100% apathetic.

Willravel 12-31-2007 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoganSnake
100% apathetic.

I appreciate your honesty and consistency!

LoganSnake 01-01-2008 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willravel
I appreciate your honesty and consistency!

Mama taught me not to lie. :thumbsup:

But seriously, I've tried getting interested in politics at one point, but nothing came out of it.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 12:15 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
© 2002-2012 Tilted Forum Project


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360