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titsmurf · 06-24-2003, 08:06 AM

Yeah, but we'll lure him in with our chocolates and beer. The belgian army is quite good at hiding itself (due to it being really, really small), so he won't suspect our trap.

The_Dude · 07-13-2003, 04:51 AM

ok, they just abolished that law.

Quote:

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Belgium said Saturday it has decided to scrap a controversial war crimes law which has seen cases launched against President Bush (news - web sites) and Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites).

Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt said his new government, sworn in Saturday, has decided as one of its first acts to scrap the law which has angered the United States.

He told a news conference the move was aimed at preventing abuses of the law, which has also seen a case launched against British Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites).

"I think we have definitely solved this question," Verhofstadt said, hours after his government had been sworn in by King Albert II.

The 1993 law gave Belgian courts the power to try war crimes cases no matter where they were committed.

In future, the right to launch cases would be restricted to Belgians or people resident in the country. All cases apart from those involving Belgians would be dropped, he said.

The norms of international immunity would also be respected. Any cases that were launched would take into account Belgium's agreements with NATO (news - web sites) allies and other European Union (news - web sites) members.

The law got Belgium into all kinds of trouble.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has said Washington would be reluctant to send U.S. officials to Brussels for meetings at NATO headquarters and that it was opposed to any further spending on a new alliance headquarters.

Belgian Foreign Minister Louis Michel, who angered Washington with his staunch opposition to the war in Iraq (news - web sites), was also caught by the law as he was accused by an opposition party of illegally authorizing arms shipments to strife-torn Nepal.

Michel, who has stayed in the new government, denied that it was U.S. pressure which had provoked the government's move.

"This was abused by some people who wanted to damage other people, leaders and partners. Those who forced us to change the law are those who abused the law," he told VRT television.

Belgium had already taken steps to soften the law, such as allowing cases be forwarded to a defendant's country if the country was democratic and could handle the suit properly.

Such was the fate of the cases launched against Bush and Blair over the war in Iraq. But U.S. officials had said it was better if such suits never came up in the first place.

The case against Sharon, filed by survivors of a 1982 massacre of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon by Lebanese Christian militias, was suspended as the court decided he had immunity as a leader who was still in office.

Verhofstadt's move is aimed at definitively narrowing the scope for war crimes cases with its strict rules on the need for a Belgian or someone resident in the country to file a case.

He mentioned three suits that would proceed, all involving Belgians. These were in Guatemala, Chad and Rwanda.

It was Belgium's prosecution of two Rwandan nuns on genocide charges in 2001 as the first application of the law which prompted a flood of other suits.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...lgium_law_dc_3

Dragonlich · 07-13-2003, 05:54 AM

It's about time too.

Oh, and the reactions on some of the message boards over here are downright negative: evil Americans, bad Bush, "now he'll never be punished for his illegal war", etc.

Perhaps the local boards I visit are just too damn anti-American...

hobo · 07-17-2003, 11:52 PM

The reason there is no Internation Court is because of the US. The US doesn't want an international court that could nail them if they commit crimes. The already present War Crimes Tribunal which is the international War Crimes Court cannot hold an American because the US didn't sign on to it and they would "save" the guy if they had to.

sportsrule101 · 07-18-2003, 06:47 AM

we are responsible to proctect ourselves. thats all there is to it. Others can't try us or sentance us unjustly. Its one of the benifits of living in the US. If you don't like it move to a 3rd world country.

The_Dude · 07-18-2003, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sportsrule101
we are responsible to proctect ourselves. thats all there is to it. Others can't try us or sentance us unjustly. Its one of the benifits of living in the US. If you don't like it move to a 3rd world country.

so, every time you disagree w/ a majority opinion, you have to move to 3rd world nation?

Charlatan · 07-18-2003, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Liquor Dealer
"It's a bit crazy to think we could be the conscience of the world," he added.

No leave that to Bush and his administration... Uncle Cheney and Father Bush know what's best...

Dragonlich · 07-18-2003, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Charlatan
No leave that to Bush and his administration... Uncle Cheney and Father Bush know what's best...

Well, to be totally blunt... at least Bush and friends are *capable* of being the conscience of the world. They have the military, political and economic might to force the world's bad guys to comply. Belgium is just a tiny nation, incapable of doing anything to enforce this law.

Charlatan · 07-18-2003, 09:50 AM

I think the key point to the quote is that it is "CRAZY to be the conscience of the world" (my emphasis).

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

07-18-2003, 06:47 AM	#45 (permalink)
sportsrule101 Insane	we are responsible to proctect ourselves. thats all there is to it. Others can't try us or sentance us unjustly. Its one of the benifits of living in the US. If you don't like it move to a 3rd world country. __________________ winning isn't everything but losing isn't anything

07-18-2003, 09:50 AM	#49 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	I think the key point to the quote is that it is "CRAZY to be the conscience of the world" (my emphasis). Just because you can doesn't mean you should. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

06-24-2003, 08:06 AM	#41 (permalink)
titsmurf Crazy Location: Belgium	Yeah, but we'll lure him in with our chocolates and beer. The belgian army is quite good at hiding itself (due to it being really, really small), so he won't suspect our trap.

07-13-2003, 05:54 AM	#43 (permalink)
Dragonlich 42, baby! Location: The Netherlands	It's about time too. Oh, and the reactions on some of the message boards over here are downright negative: evil Americans, bad Bush, "now he'll never be punished for his illegal war", etc. Perhaps the local boards I visit are just too damn anti-American...

07-17-2003, 11:52 PM	#44 (permalink)
hobo Archangel of Change	The reason there is no Internation Court is because of the US. The US doesn't want an international court that could nail them if they commit crimes. The already present War Crimes Tribunal which is the international War Crimes Court cannot hold an American because the US didn't sign on to it and they would "save" the guy if they had to.