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qwerty11 · 11-18-2007, 08:57 AM

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=IsDlO2Lr_cg

YouTube - Ron Paul: Tea Party 07

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dc_dux · 11-18-2007, 09:30 AM

Will that be the day that Ron Paul breaks the 5% barrier in the national polls?

host · 11-18-2007, 09:53 AM

I am young, healthy,and I'm gonna be rich from participating in "the free market economy". These are my politics, and this is my leader:

Quote:

http://nationaljournal.com/onair/tra...6_paul_ron.htm
Q&A: RON PAUL
Transcript: Ron Paul On Iraq, Social Security And More
Friday, Nov. 16, 2007

...Q: You would -- talking about domestic policies now -- eliminate the income tax. How would you then pay for services that are provided by the government?

Paul: Well, most of the services and most of the expenditures of the government aren't strictly designated by the Constitution. So you want to wean the government, wean the people off from this dependency, because it has led to overdependency, not self-reliance, and a bankruptcy. And that's why our dollar is on the ropes, because we can't afford it. So we just print the money, and we overtax, and we overborrow, and then overprint, and this has led to a very serious situation. And we can't turn that off immediately, and I realize that. And if you just got rid of the income tax tomorrow, it would just make the deficit that much worse, and then they'd print more money. So you'd have to get a consensus of people saying you have to cut the spending.

But my approach is to reverse the trend. If you get to reverse the trend, it would restore some confidence to the markets and I would start with foreign policy. I wouldn't start with any domestic program, where people become dependent. The elderly who have been promised to be taken care of -- although that was maybe not the best way to do it -- you don't start with them. You take care of them. And the only way you can try to fulfill those promises is to stop spending overseas to the tune of not a couple billion -- hundreds of billions of dollars you could save. You could help those who are dependent. You don't have to throw anybody out on the streets. <H3>At the same time, you can get young people out of the system and work toward the day where you absolutely don't need an income tax.</H3> Most of our history we didn't have an income tax.

Q: You mean out of the Social Security system?

Paul: Well that, yeah. Get out of Social Security and, of course, getting out of the tax system. If we ever got our government reduced to constitutional size... We've only had it since 1913. We haven't even had it 100 years, and people aren't very happy with it....

...Q: How would the safety net work for the poor? How would they access government services? How would you qualify?

Paul: Depends on where we are in the state. I mean ideally, the poor would be taken care of by a market economy that would make it so much healthier. I mean, we didn't have any of these things before the Depression. They blamed the Depression on capitalism, and that was a serious mistake. So they said everybody has to have a safety net, which has actually created more poor people. They've resorted to inflation, which destroys the middle class and undermines the poor. So to help the poor, you have to have a sound economic system. <H3>But if you have somebody that doesn't make it: families, friends, neighbors, churches charities. But there would be so few....</H3>

The poor, elderly, and infirm, demanded too much, so fuck them, and to hell with their dignity....

roachboy · 11-18-2007, 09:57 AM

Plan9 · 11-18-2007, 10:05 AM

samcol · 11-18-2007, 10:38 AM

What's funny is depite all the hate on these forums towards him, he's probably going to break 4,5,6,10 million on dec. 16th. Who knows

Then you look at people like Barrack Obama who tried to organizea a money bomb through their campaign and didn't even get $5,000. Guess that shows where his money is coming from...

Face it, Ron Paul is very popular among people who have actually heard of him. The debate polls, straw polls, and money bombs prove that.

All I can do is laugh at the positions on saving social security. You want me to continue to participate in a systems that was flawed the day it was implemented and has not been fixed in over 70 years. Who's the selfish one? The current and soon to be receivers of this program, or the young people who realize they will never see a dime of this money and just want out.

I think it's the baby boomer+ generations that are being selfish about social secuirity. A 70 year long financial raping of citizens and you want me to continue that. ROFL

Oh, trolling is cool too. At least host posts reasonable debate points.

Sun Tzu · 11-18-2007, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by host

I am young, healthy,and I'm gonna be rich from participating in "the free market economy". These are my politics, and this is my leader:

The poor, elderly, and infirm, demanded too much, so fuck them, and to hell with their dignity....

But is that what he is really saying? Having a system where people are accountable for their own actions would not be an overnight process, who knows how long it would take. There are also programs that could never completely go away like state level developmental disability programs and similiar.

I was medically discharged from the military from an injury I sustained. That qualified me for unemployment at the Hawaii rate which is the highest in the nation or was at the time. So when I relocated to San Diego I was still receiving Hawaii rated unemployment which was nice- and very lazy of me. The reality is if I would have responsibly saved I could have survived with a combination of that and my sev pay. Would the rich have an advantage- yes they would. Someone born into wealth is going to have an easier time not doubt about it.

With hard work, determination, and 100% intention any citizen could create their own wealth. If someone is unhappy with wealth dispersment then develop a better roduct or service. The dark side of this comes when the federal government shows bias or corruptley bends loopholes to allow companies like Walmart to flourish.

roachboy · 11-18-2007, 10:45 AM

i find it a bit shocking that this guy has a constituency at all.

Sun Tzu · 11-18-2007, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roachboy

I use videos sometimes effectly sometimes not, to put a point I have across. So I can relate when others do it, however I could make out the words this guy is singing clearly enough to retain what point you are making. Could you explain? Thanks.

ring · 11-18-2007, 11:14 AM

Sun Tzu,I believe that is a song called 'Kill the the Poor' By the Dead Kennedys,
written by Jello Biafra,
The lyrics should be googable.

Cynthetiq · 11-18-2007, 11:14 AM

verified spammer not to mention this isn't a discussion.

politicos are you so starved for a discussion that 3 youtube links constitutes one?

11-18-2007, 09:30 AM	#2 (permalink)
dc_dux Location: Washington DC	Will that be the day that Ron Paul breaks the 5% barrier in the national polls? __________________ "The perfect is the enemy of the good." ~ Voltaire

11-18-2007, 09:57 AM	#4 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	__________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

11-18-2007, 10:05 AM	#5 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/hR7e3StbXoU&rel=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/hR7e3StbXoU&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object> croons the title several times[/B] __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

11-18-2007, 10:38 AM	#6 (permalink)
samcol Junkie Location: Indiana	What's funny is depite all the hate on these forums towards him, he's probably going to break 4,5,6,10 million on dec. 16th. Who knows Then you look at people like Barrack Obama who tried to organizea a money bomb through their campaign and didn't even get $5,000. Guess that shows where his money is coming from... Face it, Ron Paul is very popular among people who have actually heard of him. The debate polls, straw polls, and money bombs prove that. All I can do is laugh at the positions on saving social security. You want me to continue to participate in a systems that was flawed the day it was implemented and has not been fixed in over 70 years. Who's the selfish one? The current and soon to be receivers of this program, or the young people who realize they will never see a dime of this money and just want out. I think it's the baby boomer+ generations that are being selfish about social secuirity. A 70 year long financial raping of citizens and you want me to continue that. ROFL Oh, trolling is cool too. At least host posts reasonable debate points. __________________ It's time for the president to hand over his nobel peace prize. Last edited by samcol; 11-18-2007 at 10:39 AM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

11-18-2007, 10:45 AM	#8 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	i find it a bit shocking that this guy has a constituency at all. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

11-18-2007, 11:14 AM	#10 (permalink)
ring ░ Location: ❤	Sun Tzu,I believe that is a song called 'Kill the the Poor' By the Dead Kennedys, written by Jello Biafra, The lyrics should be googable.

11-18-2007, 11:14 AM	#11 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	verified spammer not to mention this isn't a discussion. politicos are you so starved for a discussion that 3 youtube links constitutes one? __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!