12-08-2007, 07:28 PM | #81 (permalink) |
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There has been another spontaneous grassroots success story for the Ron Paul campaign. Individuals have managed to raise over $200,000 for a huge phallic symbol of freedom: The Ron Paul blimp. Another $200,000 and it will fly through the New Hampshire primaries.
With the blimp and the money bomb, this will be a huge week for the Ron Paul campaign.
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But it is no more simplistic than the claim that his poll numbers are in single digits because of media bias, his name not being included in polls, misrepresentation of his positions, etc. His low poll numbers just might be attributable to the fact that many Americans just dont share his vision. I'm not aware of any other age-related data, but the FEC (and OpenSecrets.org)has gender data on contributors. Ron Paul has the lowest percentage contribution from women (18.8%). In fact, all of the Republican candidates have lower percentage contributions from women then most of the Democratic candidates. From OpenSecrets.org (only includes contributors over $200 and not counting the 4th quarter) Quote:
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12-12-2007, 01:48 PM | #83 (permalink) | |
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Or is this just another case of the Paulbot spammers?
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12-12-2007, 01:58 PM | #84 (permalink) |
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Pauls numbers would have been higher, but my spambot crashed.
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Are these caucuses an interesting exercise in grass roots democracy involving the most committed of likely voters in a handful of communities.....sure. Are they statistically representative of all likely primary voters.....nope, not by any stretch of the imagination. I dont doubt that Ron Paul supporters are probably more committed than most and were probably more aware of these caucuses (through their active online community) than others, thus their greater level of participation in such events. Phone polling by reputable and professional pollsters have proven statistical credibility. The staw polls at these so-called caucus events are more like SLOP surveys, so no, they are not more important: A good poll story begins with a good poll. At the heart of a good poll is a randomly selected representative sample of the target population. Unfortunately, bad polls and bad samples are everywhere, and stories based on those flawed polls find their way on air or into print with dismaying frequency. One reason is that it’s hard and sometimes prohibitively expensive to collect a random or representative sample. Instead, some researchers use convenience samples.Thankfully, the only polls that count begin in 3 weeks and by mid-Feb, we'll know the two major party candidates.
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12-14-2007, 08:57 PM | #87 (permalink) |
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What a great video... glowing endorsement for Ron Paul here.
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12-16-2007, 06:54 AM | #89 (permalink) | |
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12-16-2007, 02:55 PM | #90 (permalink) |
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"STAY THE COURSE", <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW8lDlgtuqI">Sen. Joe Lieberman</a> endorses:<br><p>
<img src="http://bloggernista.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/bush-mccain-hug.jpg"></center><br><p> ....<a href="http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/1-0&fp=47654cd9af2c3d1c&ei=SqplR-XVI4ayyQSYsvCuAQ&url=http%3A//blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/12/16/lieberman_to_cross_aisle_for_m.html&cid=0">for president in 2008</a> <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/09/20060918-15.html">MRS. BUSH: Well, I say exactly what the President says, that we need to stay the course;</a> |
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All republican party candidates and some democrats are "on the fringe", IMO. Paul is actually the most reasonable of the bunch, IMO. My previous post is a "look at the rest of them", message. The republican party and the vast majority of it's members are "on the fringe", and exhibit unparalleled and unsurpassed hypocrisy and insincerity. The candidates and elected from the party, say and do things that support my accusations. Is that clearer now? Last edited by host; 12-16-2007 at 04:29 PM.. |
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12-16-2007, 05:11 PM | #93 (permalink) | |
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12-16-2007, 07:56 PM | #94 (permalink) | |
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Most republican voters support "stay the course" on the war....Ron Paul doesnt Among the general electorate who may vote in Republican primaries (ie Independents), many may agree with him on the war, but - the majority are pro-choice, Paul is notThe 5-7% poll numbers for Paul dont surprise me at all. Perhaps its Paul and his supporters who are out of touch with the majority of American voters.
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12-16-2007, 08:39 PM | #95 (permalink) |
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Pretty sure the campaign just broke the all time single day contribution in a primary or general election. Started the day at 11.5 million, and he's now at 17.8 million with a about 20 mintues left.
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12-16-2007, 08:46 PM | #96 (permalink) | |
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12-16-2007, 08:53 PM | #97 (permalink) | |
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The amount of money he raised today is almost insignificant to the tons of free media coverage and buzz that will come about.
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12-16-2007, 09:08 PM | #98 (permalink) | |
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So he got 25,000 donors today and 25,000+ in the first money bomb. Do you really believe 50,000+ votes nationally is significant....assuming all donors can vote in Republican primaries. Why would "mainstream" (Bush types) pro-war, pro-wiretapping/eavesdropping Republicans vote for him? Why would Independents whose beliefs are opposite his on many other issues vote for him? His problem is that he has not demonstrated any capacity to attract either group (Bush republicans or more centrist independents) in significant numbers. The added publicity is likely to make that even more evident.
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Edwards is flawed in that his reputation is maligned because of his background as an "ambulance chasing" "trial lawyer", a vain, out of touch consumer of $400 haircuts, and a hypocrite because of his newly constructed $6 million, 28,000 square feet home and out buildings. The people who are put off by those things weren't planning to vote for him, anyway. In addition to his populist concerns, Edwards is against the war, apologized for voting for the Oct., 2002 authorization that gave Bush the authority to do what he thought was best, militarily, in Iraq, and he described the "War on terror" as a "bumper sticker" slogan. Edwards is not against women's right to choose, he isn't influenced by christian evangelicals, and he grew up in a southern middle middle class home. He's lost a teenage son to sudden accidental death. No other candidate in either party brings all of that and also even has the slightest chance of winning their party's nomination. Huckabee is too tied to evangelical beliefs and politics and has political views that come with those ties. He has the problem of the convict he helped free from jail who subsequently killed again, and he inaccurately dodged responsibility for his role in that controversy. He would, unlike Ron Paul, continue to waste US soldiers and assets on the Bush war on terror, as would Hillary Clinton. If Huckabee's populism could be combined with Ron Paul's military and foreign policy ideas, republicans would have a stronger candidate. If one can only vote for a republican, I guess Huckabee would be the choice because he has a chance to win the nomination, and Ron Paul would be the principled choice, if one can accept his criminalization of abortion and dis mantling of government regulatory oversight and enforcement, and his tax and "free market" capitalism that gives advantage to those already most advantaged. Quote:
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I keep thinking of the old time story... Tortoise and the Hare. PS. Actually, he should have 25,001 new contributers... I missed the money bomb by 10 minutes . First time ever in my life, donating to a political campaign.
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I agree that BUsh drove many out of the republican party, not through his war record, but rather through his spending record. The fact remains that Paul needs Republican voters to win the Republican primaries and the majority of Republicans who have not abandoned the party and/or Bush are pro "stay the course" and pro Patriot Act (national security/terrorism) as their most important issue. These will not be Ron Paul voters. Now that he has money, he needs to attract Independents. You believe he can with his positions, I dont agree, as I stated earlier...while majority of Independents agree with his Iraq war/no Patriot Act positions, they disagree with Paul on other issues that are important to them (abortion rights, social services, government regulatory role, etc) The tortuise better hurry up....time is running out. The primaries start in less then three weeks and will effectively be over by mid-Feb (after Cali, NY, FL). Quote:
I think the Huckabee surge can be directly attributed to the tanking of Fred Thompson. Thompson was presumed to be the social conservative candidate, but his campaign has been lazy and ineffective... Follow the blue and green lines..as Thomspson dropped, Huckabee went up..as the new hope of social conservatives And, I think the Paul "army" is similar to the Deaniacs in another way that spells doom for the campaign...and that is relying on an army of young "outsiders" to spread the gospel of their candidate. Put yourself in the place of a middle age undecided religious conservate couple in Iowa (the steretypical profile). Who is likely to influence your vote more...a neighbor who attends your church, shares your values and is trying to convince you that Huckabee is the best candidate or a young stranger from Chicago (or Kansas City or even Des Moines) who was bused in to promote the Paul candidacy? The same applies in NH. Paul campaign is busing in hundreds of volunteers, but do you think NH voters want to be told how to vote by young guns from NYC or Boston? And whats with the blimp? A nice gimmick, but IMO, not a very effective campaign tool. Campaigns are won and lost on personal connections, either directly between candidate and voter or through surrogates with whom voters can relate...not money bombs, buses of young outsiders or blimps.
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12-17-2007, 06:10 AM | #103 (permalink) | |
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Should we just wait around for the media to give us a fair shake or continue emailing and calling media outlets like crazy? We don't get free reign at the media like other candidates. McCain just got endorsed by Lieberman, is that really a bigger story than raising 6.3 million in one day? You wouldn think so from the headlines and pundits. This campaign has taken a huge internet following and converted it into a real presence in the streets with signs and rallys, not to mention huge amounts of money raised. Oh, and the blimp it's not even a campaign tool. It has nothing to do with the campaign. It was a total grassroots effort raising hundreds of thousands of dollars to get a huge Ron Paul ad in the air.
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12-17-2007, 06:19 AM | #104 (permalink) | |
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The question in the OP was about "serious" or "mainstream" candidates and whether Ron Paul fits that description. I have simply been offering my opinion on the topic and correcting what I believe are misrepresentations about polls v SLOP surveys or misrepresentations of poilitical positions as I see them. I would do the same on a thread about other specific candidates. I hope you continue in your quest because I want to see more people engaged in the political process I also hope you do so with an open mind when Paul does not win. Dont cop out and blame it all on media bias, sabotage by the republican party establishment, etc. IMO and from my understanding of the current attitudes/positions of the American electorate, he is likely to stay in the single digits (percentage) when the votes are cast because he is not "mainstream" and most Americans dont share his views. It seems to me that you guys dont want to discuss the issues I raised in post #94. - the majority are pro-choice, Paul is notWhat makes you think I am mischaracterzing these postions/issues? Public attitudes may change in time, but there is no evidence that it has or will for the 2008 election.
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Again, Paul has never advocated stripping people of entitlements and benefits they currently receive. He doesnt want to take medicare from seniors. Thats where his stance always seems to get mischaracterized the most. I admit, its easy to demonize him on these points, because fear of losing entitlements can bring out the vote like nothing else. Its going to be a hard sell, even though he doesnt want to strip entitlements from anyone. He's also always expressed a willingness to work and even compromise with congress. Yes, he is in favor of removing the fed all together, but from what I gather, would settle for more oversight, if congress wasnt willing to go all the way and remove it. Quote:
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He never demonstrated a willngness to compromise in Congress and I have heard no such talk of compromise in any of his appearances I have seen on tv or youtube. I dont think I mischaracterized anything. Its absolutely a FACT that he want to end Medicare and Social Security, not for current recipients, but for future recipients like you and me. Where is the support for that among the general electorate? Its absolutely a FACT that he wants to end federal regulatory role and replace it with states rights or industry self-regulation. Where is the support for that among the general electorate? Its absolutely a FACT that he wants the federal government out of all R&D and left to the free market. Where is the support for that among the general electorate?
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12-17-2007, 06:13 PM | #107 (permalink) | |
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12-18-2007, 05:19 PM | #108 (permalink) |
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Just listened to the Glen Beck interview of Ron Paul and I was pleasently suprised. It was a much fairer interview than I was expecting. This is the kind of media coverage that the Ron Paul movement has earned/deserved and has not gotten.
Beck did ask a few loaded questions like implying Ron Paul is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist and that his followers threaten Beck, but Ron was allowed enough time to respond. (Granted there are probably extremists who have threatend Beck, but I'm sure that comes with the territory and is not uncommon to mainstream political pundits and politicians. Even Paul admitted he has received such threats and insinuations.)
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From the end of clip #5 and beginning of #6, just transcribed by me, a great commentary on his views about pulling out of iraq quickly and completely:
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12-20-2007, 05:19 AM | #112 (permalink) | |
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The latest NBC/Wall Street Journal poll provides some interesting demographic breakdowns - gender, region, age, income....:
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I documented Huckabee's "shortcomings" in a post on the "afraid of the candidates thread". Rudy's exposure as a corrupt "two-timin'" whack job has sent his polling numbers into freefall. Now, Romney comes apart as drunk on his own pandering, rhetoric. Iowa is Jan. 3, and New Hampshire's primary is on Jan. 8. Paul is now clearly the least "fringe" republican offering, but he seems unelectable. Is this a crisis for the home team, in 2008?
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12-23-2007, 10:01 PM | #114 (permalink) |
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Watched his interview on Meet The Press. Was impressed with his views, but he doesn't seem electable. By that I mean he is going to get short-changed by his very blunt take on things. He doesn't dress it up, and people don't appreciate nudity.
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It was a good interview as far as it went...but I would like to have seen Russert ask Paul to explain his position supporting industry as self-regulators as opposed to federal government regulation...or why he is opposed to any federal R&D in the areas of medicine, science and technology
The telling point for me was that he couldnt explain how ANY goverment services would be provided outside of defense and entitlements (social security, medicare for current seniors) once he eliminates the IRS and the income tax, particularly because he doesnt want to replace it with a flat tax or any type consumption or sales tax. IMO, that explains why he is not electable. The video is here:
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The choice is clear....or is it???
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12-30-2007, 12:01 AM | #118 (permalink) | |
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As a doctor, who should be obviously well versed in science, he should understand what a "theory" is... that video makes it look like he doesnt have the faintest clue.
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01-02-2008, 12:56 PM | #119 (permalink) |
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Ron Paul on media consolidation
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I was in the car today and caught some of his interview with Ed Schultz. Ed asked him about Fox keeping Paul out of the debate, and Ron stated that there was a 99% chance that it was because Fox was unwilling to air his views, in particular, those on the war. After essentially painting Fox as a pro-war shill, Ed followed up by questioning his view on media consolidation. Republicans have been rather mum on this one, so I was interested to hear his response, and a bit blown away. Ron Paul stated that he was unhappy with media consolidation and the like. He blamed it however, on the fact that the public owns the airwaves leading to government interference. His solution was to privatize the airwaves themselves, allowing companies to buy up the frequencies themselves! Ed followed up by pointing out that there was no way anyone but the rich could own them, and Ron Paul dismissed this by saying that didn't matter since they could just use the internet instead. Wow. |
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He contains so many good ideas along with some of the lefts and rights wacky ideas. I get the feeling he trying to be a character more than a candidate.
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