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First the internet, and now climate change.
What is he going to discover next I wonder. The guy is a techno-scientific wonder. Seriously now.. while it was probably "a good thing" to produce that film (I've not seen it and will probably never bother) - it's hardly ground breaking to pick up on something that's been known and studied for decades. The smart thing he did was to install himself as a figurehead, at a time when external pressure is mounting on non-Kyoto signatory nations such as US and AU. |
Why would you bother, you have all the answers and are willing to denounce something you've never seen.
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that was poor wording on gore's part...but that pales in comparison to some of bush's poor wording!
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Yeah it was poor wording but you won't hear people like Nimetic admit it. Instead these people prefer one line quips aimed to distract from the real topic.
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Ok... I may be wrong on the the internet bit. I'll do some research
The internet was well and truly available in the late 80s, I recall it from uni. And we had bulletin boards and so on before that. But I'll check up on this (contribution). The IT press savaged Gore on this topic, but maybe that's a one-sided view. |
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I guess endorsements of Gore's contribution to the development of the internet, displayed in post $79, By Gates of Microsoft, and Quote:
We can't have discussions on this forum because some of us don't know how they came to "know what they know".....and we repeat the same pattern, over and over..... Bozell and CNP are very good at what they do. The 1200 station, Salem Comm. radio network, and their townhall.com internet destination, reinforce what you think you know, and everyone else ssems to know what you know....nice and neat....and it helped get us into, abd keep us in an avoidable war, and to think that a political agenda that is good for mega millionaires....is good for the rest of us, too! But it isn't, it's a well financed campaign to keep a lot of us ignorant....it's like a virus....and it's killing the country.....making us a little more ike pre-Chavez Venezuela, every effing day...... You come from a wealthy country where ten percent of your small population lives in poverty, why is that? http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...4-2862,00.html ....with your Mr. Howard at the helm, it seems that you're becoming a mini version of the US conservative led...<h3>"let's make the populists seem like fools while we transfer the remaining wealth that they don't yet own....to our rich benefactors..."</h3> Quote:
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What does any of that have to do with the subject at hand??
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The "Gore" Act (High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991) established the funding for the creation of the National Information Infrastructure (the "information superhighway") and the development of the first web browser Mosaic among other high tech developments.
Thus, I think Gore's contributions to the creation and development of the internet is worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize (to keep it relevant) :) |
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Well, I'm happy that Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize.
For what's it worth. :) The 14th Dalai Lama won the prize in 1989, anyone got anything bad to say about him? |
Al Gore didnt write "For What its Worth"
That was Stephen Stills in his early Buffalo Springfield days. There's something happening hereHow fitting for the current Gore-less state of affairs. |
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I kind of like the way he dresses. I find the crimson and the saffron to be a very pleasing color combination. :p
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Granted, and he never has a bad hair day.
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Over 20,000 people died in 2003 as a direct result of global warming......kinda puts things in the proper perspective huh??? :eek: Quote:
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I mean if a global warming website wants to claim that a heatwave was a direct result of this, and it killed 20000+ people, I mean who am I to say thats just batshit insane to claim? |
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No proof is needed. They all died from heat related injuries. You may recall the record heat wave in France & you also may recall that the planet is warming. The only thing thats really in question, as I've already stated, is the cause of global warming. So these deaths are directly linked to global warming. See, that was easy huh???
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So it's more like two circle jerks. |
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Yup. I read it.
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I have not heard from Al Gore in awhile, I wonder what he is up to? What we do know in that his alarmist view of global warming is being met with some very conflicting data, even though he said the matter was scientifically settled.
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World Climate Report Will the U.N. Chill Out on Climate Change? It also seems like the EU is back-stepping on their CO2 goals and they met with some criticism at the UN Climate Conference last week. Quote:
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Pretty pictures sure are pretty.
What does temperature anomaly mean? Doesn't matter. What sort of hypothesis does the p-value refer to? Doesn't matter. What does matter is that we've got these pretty pictures placed next to some words because words are more convincing when there are pretty pictures next to them. What is important is that if you limit your period of inquiry to the 90's (the warmest decade on record) it is difficult to find or project a trend with respect to global temperatures. If you limit your period of inquiry to the last week or so you'd also find that is was very difficult to find or predict a trend with respect to the US's unemployment numbers. Clearly there is nothing wrong with either of these metrics, since by limiting our period of inquiry we have successfully limited our ability to say anything that we don't want to say. I'm not saying global climate change is occurring, but I'm not saying it isn't. |
I'm not sure of the ins and outs of the EU's strategies and such, but I do know that it should be based on long-term trending and continued scientific measurement.
Two thousand and eight was still the 10th hottest year on record. Coolest year since 2000 but trend still shows global warming | Environment | guardian.co.uk -----Added 16/12/2008 at 12 : 28 : 32----- Quote:
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I like Obama's selection of Steven Chu, a Nobel prize winner in physics and a vocal advocate for reducing GHG emissions, for his Sec of Energy. We may finally see a sensible and sustainable national energy policy. As Obama's Energy Chief, Steven Chu Likely to Shift Agency's Focus to Renewables - US News and World Report More on Steven Chu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
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I'm sure it has something to do with something. What I do know is that when someone presents scientific information, but omits parts of it, they either don't know what they're talking about or they are blowing smoke. I know both sides of the global climate change struggle do it, and it irks me either way. |
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My point was simply that Al Gore's predictions, with certainty, of an irreversible trend in global warming if we fail to act appears to be running out of steam. On one hand we have anomalies that will impact the trend line that may be due to factors other that human Co2 emissions and we have the EU one of the champions of his cause loosing their commitment to the cause due to economics. That was it, nothing more nothing less. |
you might link to actual articles rather than cherry picking graphs.
just a suggestion. |
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FYI: Complex systems are frequently characterized by short term random fluctuations. It doesn't seem that far out of the question to presume that, climatologically speaking, ten years, the span of time those plots cover, is fairly short term. Quote:
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ace--first off, your link went to a blog. if you want to make a serious argument, find more reliable information--at least to supplement what you find on the blog and to counter the inevitable objection based on anonymity of authorship, lack of sources within the data etc etc etc. that's why i said what i said. i know the links work.
on a more interesting note...there's alot more that could be said about filtherton's post above on complexity and/or complex systems. complexity in that sense really does wreak havoc with simplistic data and simplistic data-interpretation---but there are problems with measurements and interpretation that go beyond simply not having caught up with the idea and which instead cut to the heart of how scientific knowledge operates. complex dynamic systems don't obviate more traditional modes of knowing--but they do displace them and undercut claims based on them by entailing an ontological register-shift--which in this case simply refers to the rules that structure the games of observation, interpretation and the linkages between interpretations and the world (because the logic which shapes interpretation need not be of a piece with that which shapes observation, and one's conception of the world need not be of a piece with the interal procedures which shape interpretations, etc.) or something. |
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I don't generally place a lot of faith in the predictive power of statistical data based on approximations of global-scale dynamic systems. I know some do. I am more interested in the thermodynamic aspects of it, mainly because they follow directly from first principles, they are easy to understand, and the statistical interpretations are less, I don't know, removed. Statistics are funny in that, being the mathematics of guesswork, they always contain the implicit "you just never know" floating in the background. I do think it is odd when people attempt to refute questionable statistical data with questionable statistical data. I'm not sure, at this point, that CO2 is really all that important with respect to climate change. Last year, I read through a back of the envelope workthrough of the predicted global temperature increase as it relates to increased atmospheric CO2 concentrations, and it kind of shot the global climate change thing in the face for me. I'm not sure why methane doesn't get any press, from my understanding it's far worse as far as climate change goes. It is quite possible I'm missing part of the picture here. Even so, I would much rather people rally around more tangible and established environmental problems, because there is no shortage of them. It is unfortunate that people must be threatened with complete annihilation before they are willing to make relatively painless, yet collectively significant changes to the way they live their lives. I guess motherfuckers love their drama. |
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