Anne coulter...again..."Jews need to be perfected"
 

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=555880339&play=1

I don't even know where to begin...

actually, i know that spouting s**t will get you noticed and make you money....but ..i don't even think freaking stern goes this far. Insulting an entire religion and then proceeding to speak on behalf of all christians....

wow
just wow.

btw, this can be put in tilted nonsense bc it's another coulter thread, I just thought it'd fit in here.

i'm not even jewish and that hurt me.

Oh lord, Ann Coulter is so batshit crazy it's not even funny. I automatically tune out every time I hear her voice. She is just not worth getting upset over.

she is so done...she has to resort to further and further depths of farcical buffoonery to get anyone to pay attention to her.

I'm convinced that she should do her next book tour in the nude.

dear ann coulter:

please do not do your next book tour in the nude.

your pal

roachboy.

the remarkable thing is not that her credibility is now shot to hell, but more that she ever had credibility to shoot to hell.

She's the Britney Spears of the political pundits crowd.

Actually, i think Britney has more credibility ...

I really don't get the big deal here. She basically said this: "Christianity is right, Judaism is wrong".

Well... in some loose sense of the word, she's a Christian, isn't she? Why wouldn't she believe that? Why stick with Christianity if it's not the One True Religion?

It's not like there's a shortage of absurd Coulter quotes out there. Coulter's an attention-whoring joke at best.

But I can't get too riled up over this one.

But remember: She is still popular.

A world in which she's popular isn't worth saving.

So is Hitler.

She has a new book to shill and she creates a new outrage to drum up sales. It's always worked in the past and it will again for those that agree with her and buy her books. Sadly, there are enough of those to make each book a best seller.

What FoolThemAll said.

You are well within your rights to think that the thinks Coulter says are batshit crazy because they reflect her fundamentalist, backwards, extremist views.

I think the same thing about Dawkins and his views, expressed in his books.

To each their own.

Here's a good response to Anne Coulter's insanity by Henry Rollins:


...

In the words of Thomas Rogers:

"I'm going to pee in her butt.

Show her who's boss, boooiii!"

Pfft! You can't find either of them on a lunch box, though.

I like what one commentator said: That the next logical step in Coulter's thinking implies that Christians need to be perfected by Muslims, since Mohammed is the last of the prophets.

I hope Coulter's ready for that.

Oh, what a find. I shall be spreading this far and wide. :D

Oh, don't forget this gem:

(cartoon)

Elementary! Logic-stack-tastic!

one would think she'd get tired of being a parody of herself.

Ooops, Anne just jumped the Shark.

You can say pretty much anything you want against whoever you want, but not against God's chosen people.

She's finished.

Angry people who don't like Coulter:

Your arguments against Coulter are many, but can we sum them up in one statement for the sake of argument, that the reason many people don't like her is because she is intolerant of people who aren't like her. Right? Is that fair?

So your way of showing how much you don't like her is by being intolerant of her and people like her, namely conservatives, even further evangelical Christians and the like?

So you're fighting intolerance with intolerance. Is that an incorrect assumption?

"Intolerance will not be tolerated."

Anywhoo, I don't know exactly what to make of her comment. Let's see, was it stupid and was it offensive? To answer my own questions, probably, and to some people yes. Should one get riled up because of it? (again I think I'll answer my own question) No, this is status quo, and what I've come to expect from her. Therefore, whenever she's brought up I’ve resigned myself only to comment this much: She’s hot and I wish she'd shut up.

Yes, it's an incorrect assumption.

For the record, I'm not angry, nor do I dislike Coulter. I have a problem with her ideas.

If by intolerance you mean not supporting the belief in dangerous ideas, then you could call me intolerant of what she said.

Well, willravel and others, all your arguments are essentially the same...

"I hate her, she should die. She's an idiot, she's blind. She's wrong."

What you all really are hating is what you perceive as her intolerance toward anyone who's not like her, which includes most of you. You don't like being the victim of intolerance, or ignorance, or whatever you want to call it. That's fair. I don't like it either when I am the butt of intolerant peoples rants.

I just wonder about the way that people are responding to Coulter. It just seems that many are being intolerant of her views, and justifying it by saying she was intolerant first. I just don't like that kind of arguing. It seems weak.

I think you may be putting opinions into other peoples minds (vs. words in mouth), My perception is not that people actually care one way or another if she is intolerant towards them per se....more that she spews such intolerance at all while she is in a position to influence so many.

But I could be wrong....thats just how I see it.

I think you’ve mixed up tolerance and acceptance. I think everyone here tolerates Ann Coulter in so far as no one wants her to go to jail, or be killed because of the things she said or believes. That’s tolerance, and it doesn’t mean they have to accept what she says neutrally. That is to say you don’t have to try to understand her side of the story or even have one iota of belief that in some way she could possibly be correct to be tolerant. To this end people are free to disagree strongly or even hate her because of what she says. I don’t see that as being intolerant; I see it as having an opinion.

I equate Coulter with yellow journalism.

There is obviously a market of millions for such writers, but I am not among them.

If that is intolerance, so be it.

Being a tolerant individual doesn't mean tolerating intolerance. That's bootstrap problem if I ever heard one.

I prefer not being caught in a rhetorical trap which requires me to listen to Ann Coulter's nearly incoherent hate.

I don't think Jews need to be perfected by Christians. I would say that to her face, and I would be prepared to tell her why I think that. You call that weak?

She thinks everyone should be Christians. Are you saying we should accept that or appear weak or intolerant and hateful? I think the Dalai Lama would agree with me. Does that make him intolerant and hateful too?

Don't make me post my strawman pictures again.

She's an idiot alright, but I don't like the people that listen to her because they were the same type of people who thought Man, that Hitler guy has some good ideas. I don't have hatred for people.

:thumbsup:

I love this argument. 'In the name of tolerance I denounce your intolerance!' Or, 'tolerance = intolerance of intolerance'. I think we're all intolerant. Tolerance is an absolute to which many may aspire to but none may reach. As soon as you identify an intolerant person you yourself become intolerant.

I can accept that I'm intolerant. I'm intolerant of people who do things or say things that are contrary to, or violate, my moral/ethical code. Very few people don't violate my moral/ethical code at some point in their lives. And I don't like it. I don't want to tolerate it. If I did tolerate it, on some level I'd be accepting it.

I'm intolerant of people who think they're tolerant, but really they're the grossest examples of intolerance.

(does the vernacular Safety Dance)

Daoust, you're presuming that one's attitude towards tolerance must necessarily be either black or white. Not all intolerance is created equal. There also isn't necessarily anything inconsistent about promoting tolerance in some situations and not in others. I can be tolerant of some things and intolerant of others and the fact that i'm intolerant of some things does not make me intolerant of all things.

That being said, fuck ann coulter. She's anathematic to anything even remotely resembling civilized political discourse. You can wring your hands about the ironic way in which that statement was made all you want- it doesn't make for interesting or compelling criticism to me.

I am surprised that anyone would fight for Anne.

Peter cetera would- he wrote a song about it, but it got co-opted by the elitist hollywood liberals who made the karate kid part 2. It's partly how miyagi got his speaking gig at the 2000 democratic national convention.

Isn't she saying that her religon is the right one? Isn't that the point of religon? When she starts killing or calling for the death of the infidels, I will be concerned. I was always taught that Jews are to be pitied cause they failed to recognise the messiah. Isn't that the same thing she just said?

Omigod... religion is such a bad idea!

So have you ever voiced any kind of displeasure with anyone? An annoying celebrity? An overrated pop star? An obnoxious relative? Is that intolerance?

The grossest examples of intolerance? You can't be serious.

Well, if she's being a bigot because her god told her to, then i guess that's okay.

Show of hands:

How many people would still have sex with her simply because she's mentally disgusting?

*Sheepishly raises his hand*

Pffftt...there's no accounting for taste.

I don't think she's attractive at all. But then again I don't have terminator vision.

Neither do I. She kind of looks like a marionette to me. But, man, oh, man, that hatespeak is hawt! :devious:

And I thought I was kinky. :p

You have no idea.... :suave:

Well, MM... after you're done draining I_L of all his money... you have Baraka, The Goo-Ru... and his weakness for hatespeak.

Good point. Anne Coulter is just stupid but I wondered if the commentator was offended by her saying Jews need to be perfected as in 1; they aren't perfect yet and need more work to be perfect or 2; they are perfect and how dare you say Jews aren't perfect!!

Guess we will have to guess

we were talking about it and decided ann coulter can only save her career by starting a jew-to-christian makeover reality show. in the beginning she’s confronted with a deeply flawed jew, complete with yarmaluke and menorah and all that stuff, and at the end the person has been transformed into a wonderful, perfect christian, complete with big huge cross around his or her neck and an unwillingness to have sex outside the missionary position (unless he or she is in a public restroom in minnesota). we were trying to figure out what to call it, someone suggested “cold bitch for the jew guy” but i’m leaning toward “ann coulter’s New Jew Revue.” the theme song would totally write itself, yanno?

That video shows true closed mindedness on Coulter's part. The host gave her every opportunity to explain herself and she kept getting deeper.

She's a spokesperson for the GOP? For the Religious Right? Wow. What's truly sad is the fact that the Christians who support her believe all this bunk.

The host had a point, she's as bad as and every bit as vile as the leader of Iran saying Israel and jews need to be eradicated.

Since she pretty much gave the Nazi platform it's not Godwinning to say she may as well have a Swastika tatooed on her forehead and carry pictures of Hitler to worship.

Pathetic and sad are the people who defend her and take her seriously.

I wish people would just ignore Anne Coulter. Haven't you guys figured out yet that she says these things just to get attention, and that she turns up the volume in time with the release of her latest book? I don't think she even believes half the stuff she says. She is just a shrewd business woman, exploiting her opportunities. Ignore her and she'll go away.

Oh, but surely, loquitor, you would approve of the nude book tour. :p

There has been questions regarding the genitalia. :surprised:

Hey, it's not like she doesn't show skin in the photos she has taken, so why not a nude book tour? A bit scrawny, maybe, but that's still a great way to get attention. Maybe she'll get some converts that way.
Questions? You mean, about whether it's serrated or barbed?<br><br>

....I would just assume....slam my dick in a door.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm with loquitor. I gave up being offended after I realized she's not worth my time...

I usually slam the nuts, myself.

She cant even admit she is wrong

This is exactly right.

I am so glad that the only exposure I get to this horsey woman is on TFP.

Now you people think she's gone too far? This is exactly the problem with us here. She's been running her mouth saying the same shit about Muslims since 9/11. Were you so pissed at her back them?

We can't possibly talk shit about the Jews but fuck those ragheads. Bunch o' turrists.

No, I think she went too far the day she first opened her mouth. I mean, basically she's had the same thing to say about EVERYONE that is not a customer of hers, including lib'rls, such as myself.

I think it's a little unfair to suppose that we don't care what she says about Muslims.

Actually, MM, it's ok not to care about what people whom you don't respect say about any topic.

I'm a big fan of civility, and of the proposition that people of good will can disagree without making judgments about the moral worth of the other. This might be a moral flaw of mine, but I doubt it.

1. It's already been said, in this very thread, but there is a very LARGE difference between a desire to eradicate and a desire to convert. They aren't even remotely close.

2. Nah, it is Godwinning to pull out the Nazi label here. It's a textbook case of why Godwin's Law exists: to highlight ridiculous comparisons to genocidal fascists.

3. I don't take her seriously, never have. I do defend her in this case because it doesn't strike me as offensive or even unordinary that a Christian would consider Christianity the One True Religion. MOST religions are like that, Judaism included. She thinks Jews are in the wrong religion, so friggin' what?

Maybe the only way to win against Ann is to say nothing. We need to quit acknowledging that she even exists any more. I'm ready to do it now.

She's hot!!

I'm wondering if you all are jews here for hating her?

well, at least coulter's political functions are now obvious, in addition to her idiocy...she operated as a transmission belt, part of the ideological system that enabled evangelical protestants and other forms of contemporary conservatism to imagine that they had things in common. she was a translation machine, cross-voicing political elements important to the evangelicals as aspects of a wider conservative worldview.

if this holds, then maybe a way to look at this otherwise tiresome exercise in rightwing bottomfeeder politics is to see coulter today as a symptom: once the political coalition that enabled her to appear functional (common sense to some, i fear) came unravelled, she wanders, clueless and flatfooted, back to the political motherland and straight into one of the oldest internal fights in the judeo-christian tradition, this tedious scrap over who gets to understand themselves as "chosen"...

that she is a bigot is clear. that this bigotry is not particular to ann coulter, but reflective of a bigger political problem in the states, a condition of possiblity for the bush regime, for the "war on terror" and so forth is a far bigger problem.
that she has nothing to say about islam that is worth anything at all is no surprise--if i understand her function correctly, she is neither of or speaking to a group that knows shit about islam, and it seems to me that were she to know something about it, it'd just gum up communication between her and such demographic as she still might have.

she also reproduces pretty accurate identity politics american conservative-style---her "descriptions" of the world are totally unhinged from actually existing material reality, but they do make sense if the goal is not to describe the world but rather to reinforce a sense of detached spectatorship with respect to the world, one which processes political action in more or less messianic terms, one which disapproves of everything that is not exactly like oneself. so she speaks to conservative narcissism, the kind of belief that would lead you to believe that the Real Problem Out There is that not everyone thinks as you do, not everyone understands that it is gods will to be totally passive in areas directly related to economics, passive with reference to infrastructure questions, unable to think in structural or even in coherently historical terms...what matters is that you are one of Us.


(you're one of us. kinda like the film "freaks" that way, aint it?)


and that identity is most active when it has a clear Enemy or Other against which to articulate itself.
and that a proper evangelical protestant identity understands itself as engaged in spiritual warfare with the forces of Evil--which includes everyone and everything not identical to evangelical protestants themselves, everyone and everything that is not slotted into their incoherent views of a properly functioning theocratic world.

the wonder is not that she isnt taken seriously now---the wonder is that she ever was taken seriously by anyone, anywhere, ever.
but i guess a cultural reputation can be purchased, if you serve interests directly or indirectly with deep enough pockets to front the requisite monies that are required to get your face and tedious message out there.

major cultural markets are all pay-to-play affairs.
repetition legitimates anything or anyone, even ann fucking coulter.
for a while at least.

Anyone who can tie the liberal panties in a bunch like Anne does is my heroine. Shes using everyone here, from the people who buy her books, to the liberal talk shows who give her free publicity.

I'd also do her, but mostly because I have a thing for skinny blonde chicks with long hair. Then I'd perfect her to atheism, and make uber conservative atheist babies.

Hey, at least she is not strapping bombs on her to kill people. All she does is think that another religion is wrong. So what?

Heh.

Did anyone else just feel the earth shudder on it's axis? :paranoid:

Well that gives a whole new meaning to the proverbial stick in the butt.

I still think she is actually yanking everyone's chain and that this is all a very lucrative act. It's way too calculated in both timing and content not to be. Plus, there is nothing in her background indicating that she is off the deep end.

Would I do her? Probably. She's formidable enough to be really interesting. Even though she's too scrawny.

I would do every vile thing to her that i ever dreamed of, quite honestly. I'm talking that type of raunchy sex where you can't scrub the shit out of your head. yea, that. and then i'd do it again.

Anyway, i showed this to my current lady....and her response: " Yep. I would love to see her and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad sit down and hash it out. Can you see it? She'd be all flirty, flipping her hair, both in agreement that jews are bad, there are no gays in Iran, there was no holocaust. Then, suddenly, ol' Mahmoud says, yeah, that's all great and such, too bad we can't be friends you dirty sub-human woman infidel, go home and make me some dinner, and cover ya damn head. I think he may be the only man alive who could put her in her place."

and then it dawned on me..there is no godwin for ahmadinejad.


And yes, i spouted the hatred of her ideas back during 9/11 when she was after 'towelheads" and muslims and everything else. Yes, she has the right to her thoughts, but she does not open it up to discourse. She basically spouts shit as if it were sprayed on a bridge overpass...it's there, people see it, and there is no way to respond meaningfully to the author. I'm 99% sure she just plays a part, but i'm also 100% sure there are people who agree with her and she can rally a base of people like few others. I do, however, think this hurt her image, even among the most conservatives, ustwo excepted.

I mean, why not just say, "blacks should be bleached white...just perfect them."..it's the same argument, stupid, hateful, and intolerant.

Anyway.

I think there is an echo in here, might want to re-edit that one paq :)

And really no its not the same as saying blacks should be bleached white, that shows a sort of ignorance of your own.

Really what shes showing is what ANY true believer must feel about their religion, unless its one of those amalgamated silly ones.

A Christian by default must think the Jews are wrong, and in fact hope they find salvation with Jesus Christ before their deaths lest they not enter the kingdom of heaven. Likewise a Muslim must think a Christian is wrong. A Jew must think they both are wrong, otherwise they would not remain a Jew.

Its the very nature of these religions, they all can't be right. Either Jesus was the son of God or not, there isn't a grey area there.

I think what people find abhorrent in something like this is you are not suppose to TALK about such things. We are suppose to pretend we all can be right, when in fact some of us would have to be completely, and tragically wrong.

There is nothing stupid, or hateful really in that line of thinking unless you are not a believer yourself. Its the end result of the situation.

In fact think about this.

If you were a Christian, believed in Jesus Christ and all that jazz, and you had a good friend who was a Jew, wouldn't it be your DUTY to try to convert him, to save his soul from the fire that awaits? You would be stupid and hateful if you didn't try! Hell you might even be sinning for not trying to save his soul, I'm not sure how all that works.

One thing interesting is I think I heard something recently where some major Christian group, and I don't recall which one,( I don't really pay attention to this stuff though my gut tells me it was Catholic, though that seems odd) said that you can enter heaven, even as a non-Christian as long as your life was led with Christian ideals even if you didn't 'know' Jesus. Thats obviously a huge change and its not been Christian thought ever, but it shows just how big an issue this is.

I think Kierkegaard had some similar thought on the subject. Something like "a virtuous native from a land untouched by the Bible can be more of a Christian than a 'Sunday School' Christian who grew up on the Bible". Perhaps someone with more than a passing knowledge of Kierkegaard can correct or confirm this.

One tidbit I remember from an intro-level sociology class: the more steadfast, "choose us or you're on the wrong path, follow our dogma or you're going to hell" religions have a better rate of survival than the more open "we're all God's children" religions. Because if my homosexual abortionist wiccan vegan harry potter tom cruise dark tower style of worship is just as good as yours, then my stay-at-home-and-watch-the-game style of worship is also just as good as yours. Some people only go to boring services with monotone sermons and jesus-every-other-line lyrics when hell is on the line.

You have very aptly exposed much rampant hypocrisy. "I'm for free speech, as long as I agree with it."

The hatred of Ann Coulter is stirred up by the way she deflates her opponents' arguments, along with their massive egos.

Albeit with a great deal of hyperbole.

When you can't perceive nuance, everything is hypocritical.

For instance, right here you are being critical of people for being critical. In a world where everything is in black and white, you are a hypocrite. Even more so for hypocritically calling out others for their hypocrisy.

Clearly you are missing the point.

Nobody here has said she cannot say what she is saying. Nobody here has even suggested removing her right to free speech.

What people are saying is that she is a loon. That her opinion is disgusting, etc.

Big difference.

By all means. Feel free to espouse any idiotic position you wish. Stand at the top of the highest mountain and profess your most ignorant/brilliant thoughts.

Just don't expect people to agree or like what you have to say.

In other words... I see no hypocrisy.

Gonad, I guess it's totally lost on you that Ann Coulter makes a career out of disagreeing with people. Thereby, according to your logic, suppressing our right to free speech. And furthermore, deflating Ms. Coulter's smelly, bloated arguments...not to mention her massive ego.

Gee willikers, where will this madness end!

QFT. Exactly what I was thinking. I was going to add my two cents, but you know I don't think I want to see this turn into a Gonad bashing.

Yes, wouldn't want to bash any gonads. No need to get out of hand. ;)

Gonads? who said gonads? :lol:

I love that one, I was going to post it myself you just beat me to it.

Oh lord. Best laugh I had all day.

I stand corrected. THAT was the best laugh I had all day.

Exactly. This is no different than Christians who say atheists need to find Jesus, or Muslims who claim that Islam is the true faith, or Jews who claim to be God's chosen people.

Except in the 20th century, the Christians didn't face the prospect of genocide. Saying it's no different oversimplifies things. It is different. It would be like accepting from the Chinese the idea that Buddhism needs to be eradicated from Tibet. There is a difference between that and the Jehovah's Witness showing up on an atheist's doorstep, telling him why he should accept Jesus into his or her life.

There is a difference between disagreeing with someone and wanting to assimilate them.

The sad thing isnt that she exists... every society has a certain "element"... the sad fact is that some people follow her.

But on the whole, she does a lot more damage to the causes she claims to support than she can help.

As for the actual point, Jesus was born, lived, and died as a confirmed and religious Jew. Always makes me laugh to see the fundamentalists denouncing homosexuality on the basis of the bible, but having no apparent problem eating cheeseburgers! Even better, I know a lot of Christians who actually, really, eat ham at easter! haha! I mean, what to think... if Jesus comes back, and comes to their place, he's gonna feel like tucking into that??? They celebrate the key figure of their religion by eating a food that was forbidden and abhorent to him!

And there's a big difference between genocide and hoping someone joins your church. The fact that Jews faced genocide in the 20th century is irrelevent to this issue, in my opinion.

Anne doesnt want people to join her though, she wants them to be outsiders.

That, too, is very different from wanting to kill them or even discriminate against them in the eyes of the law.

I doubt she wants to kill anyone, she just wants attention.

It seems she had found a way of getting it too... by simply saying silly things and somehow having got access to the media. There are people all over on street corners ranting who talk as much nonesense as her, but luckily we dont have to listen to them.

She is easy to hate I suppose, but I prefer to hold her in complete contempt.

I dont think she is calling for, or working towards, a "final solution" to the "jewish question"... I think she is just a malnourished idiot saying whatever she can think of to appeal to a very small minority and try and create offense in the moral majoirty.

I recall a "we should kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity" comment from her about Islam as well. She is simply an unpleasant and unintelligent person who has found some niche in pop culture for talking balls.

What is Jewish?

Does she mean the religion or the race?

Judaism is a religion.

The concept of a Jewish "Race" is very silly, whether it used by Jews or anti-semites.

I am ethnically Jewish, but no one would ever know it if I didnt say so.

Based on the video linked in the first post, I'm guessing she means religion.

actually, Jewish is an ethnicity/culture, of which the religion is a part. It's not a race. It's a religion but not ONLY a religion.

Mmph, we all know Ann Coulter's MO is Hate.

Take that sage advice: Don't feed the troll.

True enough. Converts can be religiously Jewish without being ethnically Jewish.

I keep hoping to find her on a milk carton, though. I don't even hate her any more. She might as well be wearing clown makeup, but I still think she should die in a fire.

As for the, She's Christian (really? Love thy neighbor, biatch) so of course she thinks it's the one true faith argument: There are ways to argue that may convince people, and ways that we grow out of by third grade. And then there's flinging poo. And then there's what Anne Coulter does. Seriously, throwing feces would be a step up the moral and intellectual ladder for her.

/ And I might even be sinking to pitching the brown myself here, but that's still one step up.