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geep · 06-23-2003, 07:28 AM

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Originally posted by Prophecy
Forget black, the GOP won't let a woman win the republican primary period.

This statement you made kind of sounded to me like a generalization of the way all GOP members think. The logic is if one thinks that way, they must all think that way. Nothing could be further from the truth and the logic is flawed. If I am a member of the GOP and I do not think this way, then endowing me with the characteristics you believe all GOP members have means you have a prejudice (which Merriam Webster defines as a "preconceived judgment or opinion") in your thoughts about the way I am. People who steadfastly adhere to their prejudices are bigots. I did not infer that you were a bigot, if that is what you thought, you have my sincerest apologies. What I did mean to say is that bigotry, in a sense is colorblind. You are certainly a bigot if you are prejudice against people because of the color of their skin, but thats not the only criteria for bigotry. All you need to be a bigot is to be "obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices" (again according to Webster). Hence, "broad and sweeping generalizations" (preconceived judgement) "are the foundations of bigotry" (obstinate prejudice). This, by the way, is the way liberals like to paint the GOP. Political statements made to these ends only confirm the bigotry of the author, not the subject.

The_Dude · 06-23-2003, 07:37 AM

ok, would it be correct to say "Most GOP members wont let a woman......" ?

thought this was real cool

Prophecy · 06-23-2003, 08:18 AM

Okay, I understand where you coming from, but by no means did I mean all GOP members are against the idea of a female as President. However, I do think as a party the GOP doesn't want a female as President. As a matter of fact several Repubs here at the state capital have expressed that point of view on more than one occasion in conversation with them. That's why I say the GOP will not allow a woman to win the Primary. Yes my statement was a generalization, but remember it was just that, a generalization. I was speaking in general terms. I was not saying every single member of the GOP it’s avidly against a female president.

rth9821 · 06-24-2003, 12:44 AM

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What Republican in their right mind isn't anti-affirmative action these days? As for abortion, there is room for flexibility on this issue I think. "Partial birth" abortions are vastly different than abortions in the first trimester, and there are many repubs who are able to make such a distinction.

seretogis,

You’re right on the abortion issue. “Partial birth” and the stem cell research ban has become the proxy for the pro-life cause. Pro-life is just not a winning issue; however, it’s still important for a Republican candidate be pro-life in principle while not having an explicit desire to make abortion illegal.

You and I are both wrong on affirmative action. Many Republicans aren’t necessarily for affirmative action but remain “soft” on the issue. Here’s Bush’s response to the Supreme Court decision:

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I applaud the Supreme Court for recognizing the value of diversity on our Nation's campuses. Diversity is one of America's greatest strengths. Today's decisions seek a careful balance between the goal of campus diversity and the fundamental principle of equal treatment under the law.

My Administration will continue to promote policies that expand educational opportunities for Americans from all racial, ethnic, and economic backgrounds. There are innovative and proven ways for colleges and universities to reflect our diversity without using racial quotas. The Court has made clear that colleges and universities must engage in a serious, good faith consideration of workable race-neutral alternatives. I agree that we must look first to these race-neutral approaches to make campuses more welcoming for all students.

Race is a reality in American life. Yet like the Court, I look forward to the day when America will truly be a color-blind society. My Administration will continue to work toward this important goal.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea.../20030623.html

I think it’s a sign that affirmative action, like abortion, isn’t a cause that the Rep. strategists want to fight head on.

Maybe Condi would be a promising candidate. Would she be able to appeal to the Religious Right? I have a hard time seeing her make the Bob Jones University type campaign stop.

seretogis · 06-24-2003, 10:52 AM

When it comes to Hillary running in '08, Republicans would rather that a black female lesbian single mother professional wrestler cough-syrup addict missing one leg, who is Republican, be in the White House than Hillary Clinton.

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Originally posted by rth9821
You and I are both wrong on affirmative action. Many Republicans aren’t necessarily for affirmative action but remain “soft” on the issue. Here’s Bush’s response to the Supreme Court decision:

Affirmative action meant to solve a legitimate problem through illegitimate means. "Reverse racism" will not solve the problem of ethnic diversity, and I don't think that the Republican party or Bushy stepped down in that regard. You do have to compromise on some issues, and pick your battles though, which is a good thing for a party to do. Those who cannot (*cough*dems*cough*) will only see themselves losing more and more seats, and more and more chances at the presidency.

06-23-2003, 07:37 AM	#42 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	ok, would it be correct to say "Most GOP members wont let a woman......" ? thought this was real cool __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal Last edited by The_Dude; 06-23-2003 at 07:47 AM..

06-23-2003, 08:18 AM	#43 (permalink)
Prophecy Oracle & Apollyon Location: Limbus Patrum	Okay, I understand where you coming from, but by no means did I mean all GOP members are against the idea of a female as President. However, I do think as a party the GOP doesn't want a female as President. As a matter of fact several Repubs here at the state capital have expressed that point of view on more than one occasion in conversation with them. That's why I say the GOP will not allow a woman to win the Primary. Yes my statement was a generalization, but remember it was just that, a generalization. I was speaking in general terms. I was not saying every single member of the GOP it’s avidly against a female president. __________________ La Disciplina È La Mia Spada, La Fede È Il Mio Schermo, Non salti Ciecamente In Incertezza, E Potete Raccogliere Le Ricompense. Last edited by Prophecy; 06-23-2003 at 08:23 AM..