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My turn to bring up Clinton
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As it would seem those supporting Bush, generally revert to comparing the misdeeds of Bill Clinton as a defense, I ask them to make this comparison in good faith. Personally, I fully agreed with the court ruling, and felt he had no right to block the investigation (whitewater) though I kinda giggled over the Lewinsky scandal. Clinton was denied executive privilege, just as Nixon was before him when the investigation became serious. Please explain why it is that you can support one mans privilege.....and not the others. Hmmm....33 views and not a single comment. Could it be that those continuously bringing up Clinton to defend Bush are speechless? Somehow....I doubt it very much. Last edited by tecoyah; 07-13-2007 at 10:08 AM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost |
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In a test of wills, he who has the strongest convictions will win. I don't want to hear members of Congress acting like children-saying the President isn't playing fair. They need to find their "balls" and do what they think needs to be done, or shut up. The Congressional investigations of Clinton were partisan politics at its worst (at least in my lifetime). Democrats have not reached that level with Bush, perhaps they need more time.
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Location: People's Republic of KKKalifornia
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But these are the times he did use it and the scandals that he protected with it.
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I'm in 100% agreement, tec. The double standard is obvious and sickening.
I will admit that it's lowered my opinion of Clinton a bit, though. I know he wasn't the perfect president, but considering our current leadership he can often look almost perfect by comparison. I guess a little perspective can help from time to time. Bush does not have the legal authority to use executive privilege to block any inquisitions into his connection with the bypassing of the FISA court. |
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Location: People's Republic of KKKalifornia
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What do you call a political party that thinks postage for a Presidential cat's fan club requires a full-on Congressional investigation, but a President who admits on national television to breaking Federal law, repeatedly, only merits limited committee "oversight"? Republicans.
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"The perfect is the enemy of the good." ~ Voltaire Last edited by dc_dux; 07-13-2007 at 07:11 PM.. |
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All important elusive independent swing voter...
Location: People's Republic of KKKalifornia
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What was Sockgate, did it have something to do with Whitewater? I wasn't in the country during much of Clinton's Administration, when I came back Stateside, we were fully entrenched in the Lewinsky Affair.
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Socksgate:
1995: Rep. Dan Burton (R-IN), then chair of the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee, investigated whether taxpayers were footing the cost of stationery and postage for the fan club dedicated to President Clinton’s cat, Socks. (They were not - and it turns out Barbara Bush’s dog Millie had a fan club too.) elph: socks looks less ominous in person unless he is provoked. I met him at the annual WH easter egg hunt one year. The easter bunny (Tipper Gore) was holding him right before two crazy mothers knocked the easter bunny down and starting fighting to get an easter egg.....Socks was not happy.
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"The perfect is the enemy of the good." ~ Voltaire Last edited by dc_dux; 07-13-2007 at 07:20 PM.. |
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All important elusive independent swing voter...
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The following was written in March....the thugs in the executive branch are bolder (cornered ?) now: Quote:
Eight years of white water investigations, constant congressional hearings, and an impeachment trial, marked Bill Clinton's two term presidency. Those events boost the stature and reputation of Bill and Hillary, the exact opposite of what the political opposition in the 90's and today, hoped to achieve. Unlike the Clinton's the relentless investigations that they were subjected to, if they were applied, in kind, to Bush, would yield substantive evidence to break his presidency and his reputation, not enhance it...... Last edited by host; 07-13-2007 at 10:56 PM.. |
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Do you actually believe that? Or is that the only possible response to the observation of your inconsistency that doesn't require you to admit unthinking partisan bias? |
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"Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch." "It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions on vegetarianism while the wolf is of a different opinion." "If you live among wolves you have to act like one." "A lady screams at the mouse but smiles at the wolf. A gentleman is a wolf who sends flowers." |
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I do actually know where the constitutional lines are drawn. It's not a big mystery; most of us were taught how checks and balances works in 7th grade Civics--although Bushco wants us to think we don't know because our ignorance is their most useful tool. That ongoing struggle you refer to has only been happening since Bush was elected, and only REALLY happening since he used his post-9/11 popularity to start bullying congress around. If I were the president, I'd follow the law. I'd honor the word I gave to uphold the Constitution. I wouldn't concern myself with expanding my power over the other branches. Maybe it's because I'm a uniter, not a divider, but I'd be interested in government working together to promote programs and policies that serve the American people. That would be first in my mind. Expanding my power and privilege would be WAY down my list. |
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Coincidence? I am so glad I dont know the slick one thats for friggen sure. Edit: opps somehow these Clinton bodyguards are all dead also. Quote:
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Mike....shame on you for trying to pass off one of the oldest Clinton urban legends circulating around the net for the last 10 years:
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Haha! I love seeing "CLINTON WAS A MASS MURDERER," even after all these years. Christ, the right just hated the fuck out of him, didn't they? Is that where American political discourse took a nosedive right into the shitter, when they spent 8 years smearing a guy because they disagreed with his political agenda? I don't remember the left coming after Bush I with anything like that.
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It would seem, to me at least, that some focus energy of Clinton as a means to disengage with current issues for the most part. I have noted a trend of refusing to address what is happening right now by instead bringing up actions of the past....and it seems to work well for those who are supportive of the current administration. By well, I mean for them.
I must admit to losing respect for these people as they continuously revert to Clintons' actions when confronted with disagreeable aspects of someone they support, it seems a cowards approach to debate. If this were a minor part of technique it would be one thing, but as the cycle of deceit becomes more and more clear....they have little else to work with. There comes a time when support must be withdrawn from obvious corruption of Ideals regardless of dislike for the "other side", I only wonder when it will become too much to defend. |
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Bush is not the first and I bet he won't be the last President to claim executive privilege, so why the double standard or have you been consistent? If you are consistent why are you singling out Bush? Quote:
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![]() LIL' GEORGE The ringleader of the lil' cronies, what Lil' George lacks in book smarts, street smarts, and any other smarts, he makes up for in confidence. His crazy brain often takes him on weird tangents, but there's one thing he's clear on: he wants to be The Decider. Until then, he'll charm his way out of trouble and rock out with the Lil' cronies.
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"The perfect is the enemy of the good." ~ Voltaire Last edited by dc_dux; 07-17-2007 at 07:52 AM.. |
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Yes, it pretty much explains why Gore had the election stolen from him. Perhaps Gore needed to let his inner animal do its thing.
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ace...(and reconmike....) I have posted the following in chronological order to make it easier for you to understand my presentation. Both of your recent posts reinforce my wondering whether it is time to divide the U.S. into two separate countries. My idea of a discussion, if one were actually to take place on this thread, and on this forum, and in this country, would be for ace, or reconmike, to post rebuttal opinions from attorneys or judges who support the white house, and Meier's decision to ignore subpoenas from congressional committees and to refuse to provide privilege logs, or...any specific support for claims of executive privilege. Citations of court decisions, even if not to the extent that democrats have provided, countering what democrats have provided, and that I have posted here, would be a refreshing turn away from the direction this thread has taken. I extend to you the COURTESY....again and again....of sharing with you, the information (WITH LINKS !!!) that shaped my opinions and conclusions, and prompted me to post about them.... <b>Are you responding, in kind?</b> Quote:
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ace, or reconmike....are you even keeping up a pretense, with the posting of a "Clinton's victim list (no links were provided), and with ace's Gore reference (above)....of participating in a political discussion, here? Isn't what you are doing, by posting the Gore reference, ace...in the context of this recent question, posted by Quote:
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ace...(and reconmike....) I have posted the following in chronological order to make it easier for you to understand my presentation. Both of your recent posts reinforce my wondering whether it is time to divide the U.S. into two separate countries.[/QUOTE] What a novel idea, the lefties can take the left side of the Mississippi, including Hollyweird concidering it is comprised mostly of lefties anyway. Only problem is where will all the money come from to run your new nation? Because we know that the richest 50% of the nation are mostly republicans, hell I am sure we on the right side of the ole Miss can take the US debt and let you guys start fresh, seeing that we will be able to cut alot of programs to the noncontributing 40% who do not pay ANY federal tax at all. We should have a balanced budget in no time. Quote:
Come on DC, you can't admit that even a few of these names, high rankiing officals, dead with bullets in their heads doesnt seem a wee bit suspicious? And then add that after Foster offs himself Clinton claims executive privilege on Foster's files.
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Location: Ventura County
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When I do research it is usually for my benefit. My opinions are formed from my research, when my opinion is legitimately challenged I often back it up with my research. I usually do that up to the point of when one of my citations is ignored, it is usually the first one. {added} DC's link to the Lil Bush cartoon was about Gore, so I was not the first to bring him up. Funny, but I have this habit of actually clicking on the links people post. I actually have an open mind, and love to have my views challenged.
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"Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch." "It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions on vegetarianism while the wolf is of a different opinion." "If you live among wolves you have to act like one." "A lady screams at the mouse but smiles at the wolf. A gentleman is a wolf who sends flowers." Last edited by aceventura3; 07-17-2007 at 04:49 PM.. |
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