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Let's talk about Mike Gravel
Wow. This guy blew me off my feet. For a first impression, I gotta say I'm sold. I've got some videos for those who don't know him and I've got some notes if you're interested.
Here is someone's commentary about this guy's standpoints. If I had to rewrite this, I would do away with the comparison and categorization (Libertarian, Democrat... whatever. I dont make my decisions based on what party endorses it.) but I am too lazy. Quote:
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As far as I'm concerned the only reason he was invited on was to try to make the candidates with a chance look moderate in the Democratic war movement.
He said it himself in the video, he was nominated to attend. He did not write himself in. And how does he claim to filibuster the draft? The draft has ONLY been proposed by Democrats to stir up anti-war sentiment. |
Seaver.. those talking points you mentioned took place 30 years ago.
Here's some more: CNN removes Gravel from their next debate on the grounds that he isn't popular enough. Quote:
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And.... that's that. Does he have any shot if he won't be in the next debate?
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Following Gravel's five whole minutes on NBC's "Debate" ("Sound Bites" would be more accurate), there has been immense interest in him and his policies. He has been showing up on numerous talk shows, both radio and tv, and I suspect we'll see more of him. I loved how he shamed the current pack of Dems, but I don't see him pulling off the nomination.
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He's got a great passion that, when held up against Hillary and Obama, makes them look so fake and plastic. He's very animated and captivating. I'd like to think that he has a chance.
As Elphaba said, he's been given a lot more publicity lately so CNN (as stated) might extend the invitation to him after all. |
Don't confuse yelling with passion. I strongly suspect he's not dissimilar from every other practiced politician you've ever seen.
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Except that his policies make sense?
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You've spent time in the Bronx. With the current, but hobbled by Bush tax cuts, progressive tax and inheritance tax structure, the wealthiest ten percent still own more than 70 percent of total US assets. Do you think that the "fair tax" would distribute to the bottom 50 percent of the US population, more of the 2-1/2 percent of the total US wealth that they manage to own? Do you think that "direct democracy" would strengthen minority representation in our government? Why do you think so many white. affluent, conservatives back "fair tax" and "direct democracy"? They are confident that they will have more money and more political power, as a result. I'm not saying that Gravel is fronting for WASP males. I think that he is sincere and is direct and has integrity. I think that his policies are misguided, though. The poor and under represented do not need more policies that would make them poorer and less represented....IMO. |
Video 1:
1) The war is wrong. He clearly stands alone on this issue. 2) Bush will veto stuff and we have to figure out how to get around him. I'm sure Pelosi hasn't thought of that. 3) The people I'm running against scare me. Maybe he needs a nap? 4) "There will be no preemptive wars with nuclear devices." Wow! What a decisive and difficult decision! He's sure out on a limb there! 5) Joe is arrogant. At least Joe isn't screaming at people... 6) We should get out of Iraq. Again, a fascinating new strategy that no one has thought of. 7) I'm old and they're young. Indeed... 8) We spend too much on defense. Something that most of the candidates would agree on. 9) "We are 'mischaracterizing' terrorism." More new insight into what's left of the liberal news media has been reporting on since 2001. 10) The sanctions were wrong. Again, is this something anyone is going to disagree with? I just don't see how Gravel stands out except for his decibel level. |
He stands out because while his ideas are nothing new, he's the only candidate actually stating a clear standpoint on them and a very specific means of achieving his goals.
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Hal, he is one of the last Big 'D' Democrats, and they are an endangered species. There is nothing that he wants to do than can be done without compromise with both dems and reps. That wasn't the case when he last held office and he doesn't acknowledge that what he proposes now is not as easily done as it once was.
I like his grit, but I prefer bipartisan cooperation to one-party rule under either party. |
Maybe it's just the idealist in me that enjoys HIS idealism. I'm not above giving my support to a dream that things could be better.
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I like Gravel, but one person's idealist is another persons ideologue.
There's a place for folks like Gravel in the Senate, but I dont want him in the White House. IMO, the country is too diverse politically for an idealist/ideologue. Things will only be better if the president is a consensus builder, something seriously lacking in our current leader and a leadership quality I dont see in Gravel either. |
I am a left leaning independent and he came off as a crazy man in the debates. He will never get the nomination.
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I'm a libertarian so I really like the first few points you posted, but disagree with his social programs. I really do appreciate his candidness though. I think my favorites right now in order would be Ron Paul then probably Mike Gravel.
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