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Old 03-17-2007, 01:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Democrats favor PORK, just like republicans.

Congress loads up $20 billion in pork
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Congress has loaded up President Bush's request for "emergency" spending on the Iraq war with more than $20 billion in "pork" for members' districts.

Money for peanut storage in Georgia, spinach growers in California, menhaden in the Atlantic Ocean and even more office space for the lawmakers themselves is included in what has ballooned into a $124 billion war bill.

"This emergency supplemental bill has more ornaments hanging over our many branches of government than the White House Christmas tree," Rep. Jerry Lewis, R-Calif., said.

Originally, Bush asked for $105 billion in emergency funding. Democratic leaders say they want to grant the request to continue funding the war despite their desire to end it.

"We have provided all of the money the president requested- and more," boasted House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer.

That includes $74 million for peanut storage, $25 million for spinach growers and $100 million for citrus growers.

It also includes $16 million to convert the old Food and Drug Administration building in southwest D.C. into more office space for the Capitol. That "emergency" expenditure comes at a time when taxpayers already shell out $600 million "more than double the original estimate" for a mammoth expansion of the Capitol, which includes 160,000 feet of new office space.
thus the destruction of America from both major parties.
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Old 03-17-2007, 03:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I wouldn't go so far as to start invoking America's destruction. But there's quite a lot of waste, yes, and at a time where we really cannot afford it (then again, when is waste really affordable?)
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When it comes to pork, Robert Byrd makes even Ted Stevens look like a noob. Fiscal responsibility will continue to not be a priority until the electorate says otherwise. I'm not holding my breath.
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Old 03-17-2007, 10:52 PM   #5 (permalink)
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...or evaluated another way.....with other reporting, "the Examiner" article in the OP is a BS "hit piece" by partisan "hack", Charles Hurt....<a href="http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?p=2180067&highlight=chARLES+HURT#post2180067">last noted</a> as he performed as a partisan "hack", for washingtontimes . com .....
Can we all make a "pact" here....not to post articles by media outlets with owners who are Brett Bozell, Rev. Moon, or.....CNP - Council for National Policy Members? Unfortunately, this makes the following ineligible:

washingtontimes.com - Rev. Moon
newsmax.com - Brett Bozell
mrc.org - Brett Bozell
cnsnews - Brett Bozell
townhall.com - CNP via Salem Communications <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=cnp+Edward+G.+Atsinger&btnG=Search">CEO Edward G Atsinger III</a> and <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=cnp+Stuart+W.+Epperson&btnG=Google+Search">chairman Stuart W. Epperson</a>
SNR (Salem News Radio) - http://www.salem.cc/peopleKeyEmployees.htm
<b>examiner.com</b> - see bottom of this post for details.....

Does the list above, give you any inkling that, even in the age of "the internet", the flow of information that reaches you (not specifically directed at you, dksuddeth....) is originating from a remarkably narrow range of sources?
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Veteran Hill reporter joins The Examiner
16 days ago Veteran Hill reporter joins The Examiner

Feb 24, 2007 7:21 AM (16 days ago)
by News Desk

WASHINGTON - Charles Hurt, Capitol Hill bureau chief of The Washington Times and former Washington correspondent for the Charlotte Observer, is joining The Washington Examiner as chief congressional correspondent.

“Charlie is a first-class journalist who consistently breaks big stories and comes up with angles that other papers miss,” said Stephen G. Smith, Examiner executive editor. “He knows the Hill inside and out, and covers it with extraordinary energy and enterprise.”

Hurt joins recent additions Bill Sammon, senior White House correspondent; Rowan Scarborough, national security correspondent; and Micah Morrison, national investigative reporter......
Charles Hurt quotes Rep. Jerry Lewis with "the christmas ornaments" reference, and to me....Lewis seems as "traitorous", in "a time of war", as his "buddy", Duke Cunningham was:
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...051101881.html
House Appropriations Chairman Is Facing Federal Investigation

By Charles R. Babcock
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 12, 2006; Page A03

The Justice Department has begun investigating the activities of Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, focusing in part on his dealings with a lobbying firm that hired some of his former staff members, sources familiar with the inquiry said......

.......The Lewis inquiry is at least tangentially connected to an ongoing congressional bribery case centered in San Diego and Washington, one source said. In that case, former representative Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-Calif.) admitted he had accepted $2.4 million in bribes. Brent Wilkes, a San Diego defense contractor, is under investigation for allegedly bribing Cunningham.

Cunningham, a longtime colleague of Lewis's and, like him, a member of the Appropriations Committee, pleaded guilty and resigned in November. He was sentenced to more than eight years in prison. Wilkes has been identified as a co-conspirator in that case but has not been charged. Another contractor, Mitchell J. Wade, of Washington, pleaded guilty early this year for his role in bribing Cunningham........
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Stepdaughter Of Lawmaker Got Money From PAC

By Charles R. Babcock and Alice Crites
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, June 8, 2006; Page A04

A stepdaughter of Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, has been paid more than $40,000 since early last year by a political action committee funded substantially by donations from a lobbyist close to the congressman and from her firm's clients.

Lewis's stepdaughter, Julia Willis-Leon of Las Vegas, is listed as director of the Small Biz Tech PAC. She received $44,474 of the approximately $115,000 the committee has collected since it was set up in February 2005, federal election records show.

Rep. Jerry Lewis's stepdaughter received $44,474 from a PAC.

The lobbyist, Letitia White -- a former longtime Lewis aide -- is the largest donor to Small Biz Tech. She is also part owner of the $1 million Capitol Hill house that initially served as PAC headquarters.

Her firm -- Copeland Lowery Jacquez Denton & White -- has come under scrutiny for its relationship with Lewis, according to sources close to the investigation. The U.S. attorney's office in Los Angeles has been sending subpoenas to some of the firm's clients......
Some "examples" of Charles Hurt "prose":
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....That approval has fallen considerably in the year and a half since he first took the helm of <b>the Democrat Party</b> in the Senate. When he last faced re-election, in 2004, Mr. Reid trounced his opponent with 61 percent of the vote in a state also won by Mr. Bush. ....
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Democrat in 'Gang of 14' raises doubts about Alito - Nation ...
By Charles Hurt THE WASHINGTON TIMES November 18, 2005 ... war over the nomination escalates and warnings from <b>Democrat leaders</b> that Judge Alito still faces ...
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Alito confirmation may be tight - Nation/Politics - The Washington ...
By Charles Hurt THE WASHINGTON TIMES January 23, 2006 ... Still, <b>Democrat leaders</b> insist, that option remains a possibility. ...
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Only rabidly partisan republicans....like...uhhh George W. Bush, obsessively drop the "ic" from the opposition party name, "democratic".....and...white house PR "shills"....like....uhhh Brit Hume and the rest of the "gang" at foxnews.....

....and, when the RNC needed to discredit Harry Reid in the senate, what "reporting" did they choose to "feature" on their website?:
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....Senate Democrat Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) On Senate Floor Referred To Judicial Nominee's FBI File:

"Minority Leader Harry Reid Strayed From His Prepared Remarks On The Senate Floor Yesterday And Promised To Continue Opposing One Of President Bush's Judicial Nominees Based On 'A Problem' He Said Is In The Nominee's 'Confidential Report From The FBI.'" (Charles Hurt, "Reid Cites FBI File On Judicial Pick," The Washington Times, 5/13/05)

* "Those Highly Confidential Reports Are Filed On All Judicial Nominees, And Severe Sanctions Apply To Anyone Who Discloses Their Contents. Less Clear Is Whether A Senator Could Face Sanctions For Characterizing The Content Of Such Files." (Charles Hurt, "Reid Cites FBI File On Judicial Pick," The Washington Times, 5/13/05)

Reid: "Henry Saad Would Have Been Filibustered Anyway ... All You Need To Do Is Have A Member Go Upstairs And Look At His Confidential Report From The FBI, And I Think We Would All Agree That There Is A Problem There." (Charles Hurt, "Reid Cites FBI File On Judicial Pick," The Washington Times, 5/13/05)...
Doesn't it look kinda pathetic, that the best the RNC.org could do to reinforce it's "message", were quotes from Charles Hurt at Rev. Moon's Washington Times?

The following were first published in the "Congressional Daily" described here as:
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http://www.library.uiuc.edu/doc/newpages/elections.htm
<a href="http://www.library.uiuc.edu/proxy/go.asp?url=http://nationaljournal.com/pubs/congressdaily/">Congressional Daily</a>

This nonpartisan Congressional news service is published twice-daily.
First reported in http://nationaljournal.com/about/congressdaily/
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http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0307/031307cdam1.htm
March 13, 2007

RELATED STORIES

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<a href="http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0307/031307cdam1.htm">* Bill to boost war spending has something for everyone (03/09/07)</a>

By Peter Cohn, CongressDaily
There is a lot of good news for "red" districts in the supplemental war spending bill Democrats unveiled Thursday, not to mention billions in added funding for politically sacrosanct veterans' health programs, military readiness and housing for troops returning from overseas.

Democrats nearly doubled Bush's request for Gulf Coast reconstruction aid to $6.3 billion, including extra money to build tougher levees in and around New Orleans, and added $400 million for low-income heating assistance that could make it tough for Republicans like Rep. Charles Boustany of Louisiana to oppose.

States like Georgia, Iowa, Nebraska and Missouri that otherwise would have to cut off health insurance for low-income children would benefit from a $735 million cash infusion.

Midwest Republicans like Rep. Jerry Moran of Kansas, who lobbied hard for agriculture disaster aid, applauded the inclusion of $4.3 billion to help farmers and ranchers cope with drought, frost and floods. Blue Dog Democrats such as Rep. Earl Pomeroy of North Dakota also worked to secure the funding.

Democrats extended a program for one year that provides payments to rural counties, largely in Oregon, that have suffered declining timber sales as a result of changes in federal forest policy during the 1990s.

About $400 million is included in the bill to help rural counties pay for road repairs, education and police after the program expired last year. "This truly is an emergency," said Rep. Greg Walden, R-Ore., who worked closely with Oregon Democrats to obtain the funding.

Other additions like $2.5 billion for homeland security, including money to screen cargo at the nation's 361 seaports and being transported on airplanes, have broad appeal across the aisle as well. All told, Democrats added around $21 billion to Bush's $103 billion request, considerably fattening what was already the largest supplemental in history.

"The same people who came here promising fiscal responsibility and a balanced budget now want to spend money as badly as drunken sailors, with apologies to drunken sailors," said Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas, chairman of the conservative Republican Study Committee. "Once again from the Democrat leadership, it will be all-you-can-eat at the all-pork buffet in their supplemental."

Republicans repeatedly said they would support only a "clean" supplemental, one without domestic add-ons and without the restrictions on troop deployments in Iraq that Democrats have included. Aides to Bush Thursday said he would veto the bill over the troop guidelines alone.

"What's going to happen is the president will veto this bill and we'll have to come back with a clean supplemental that funds the troops," said Rep. Ray LaHood, R-Ill.

That the bill funds the troops is not in question. The measure includes $95.5 billion for military operations, including $2.3 billion to cover the cost of fielding an additional 36,000 Army troops and 9,000 Marines. Democrats included the president's request for $2.4 billion to combat improvised explosive devices, and another $1.4 billion is included for new mine-resistant vehicles.

Defense and veterans' health is a major theme of the bill, with $3.5 billion above the request, and Democrats are taking steps toward rebuilding military readiness they say is at its lowest since Vietnam, with an added $2.5 billion to train and equip units not yet deployed overseas.

<h3>Hensarling acknowledged Democrats constructed the bill in a fashion that makes it difficult for Republicans to oppose.</h3>

"I didn't say they were foolish; I just said they were spendthrifts," he said. "What people try to do is hide their pork in the reinforcements and the equipment that our brave men and women need to fight for our freedom. It's not the first time that pork has been wrapped in Old Glory."
Dems remove Iran language from bill to boost war funding

By Christian Bourge and Peter Cohn, CongressDaily
House Democratic

........... Republicans have pledged to oppose the supplemental over war proposals they say would tie Bush's hands and over the additional spending.

"This bill micromanages military operations and telegraphs a timeline for withdrawal to an enemy that hides and waits," said a spokesman for Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio. "It isn't a funding bill; it's an ambush."

The 172-page bill contains plenty to entice wavering lawmakers to support the bill, however. At $21.1 billion above the White House request overall, numerous domestic programs would benefit, as well as more generous military and homeland security spending. Add-ons range from aid to salmon fishermen and spinach handlers to $1 billion extra to purchase explosives detection equipment at airports.

The Gulf Coast is a major beneficiary of the Democrats' largesse, including $1.3 billion extra to strengthen levees in and around New Orleans and another $910 million to cover the cost of waiving state and local matching requirements for the Federal Emergency Management Agency's disaster aid program.

Livestock owners, citrus growers and other crop owners affected by the 2005 hurricanes benefit from $140 million, while another $120 million is provided for the shrimp and menhaden fishing industries. Another $60 million is included for education, while $80 million would go toward eliminating housing voucher shortfalls in hurricane-impacted areas.

Non-Gulf agriculture is also a winner in the bill, with $3.7 billion to compensate farmers, ranchers and growers for losses suffered during the last three crop years. The committee makes clear that it "does not intend for this to be an ongoing program" and requires all payments to cease no later than Sept. 30, 2008.

Livestock assistance would be available to compensate for losses due to wildfires in Texas and other states, and blizzards in Colorado, Kansas, Nebraska, New Mexico and Oklahoma. Democrats also included $25 million for payments to spinach growers and handlers impacted by last year's health advisory that resulted in a recall of some supermarket spinach.

Dairy subsidies for small farmers benefit from an extension of the Milk Income Loss Contract program, at a $283 million cost, a program important to House Appropriations Chairman David Obey's home state of Wisconsin. Another $74 million is included to extend a peanut-storage program important to growers in the home state of House Agriculture Appropriations ranking member Jack Kingston, R-Ga.

Another $60.4 million in aid would go to communities, Indian tribes, fishermen and others affected by declining salmon runs in the Pacific Northwest.

Members of the Oregon and California delegations lobbied hard for the aid, and Oregon in particular benefits from $400 million included to renew a county payments program for rural communities that have suffered from declining timber sales since the mid-1990s.

The Capitol itself would benefit from some add-ons. Appropriators included $50 million to continue asbestos abatement efforts at the Capitol Power Plant, while $16 million is included for security improvements at House office buildings.

There also is the customary payment to the spouse of a deceased lawmaker, in this case the wife of the late Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-Ga.

And as so often happens with major spending bills, House leaders also included authorizing measures that fail to move through the process on their own.

In addition to the House-passed minimum wage and small business tax-break bills, Democrats included a major government-contracting oversight measure by Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif. They also revised language of chemical security legislation included in last year's Homeland Security appropriations bill, which Democrats criticized at the time as too weak and industry-friendly.
The reports above are backed by these references to republican rep. Jack Kingston of GA, attemptiing an "add-on" to the supplemental defense appropriations bill that would rescue his state's "Peach Care" health insurance coverage for children, suspended to new enrollment this month, due to cuts in federal funding that his state was economically hard pressed to make up for.
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Out of Iraq Caucus starts to split
The Hill, DC - Mar 14, 2007
<b>Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) said he will offer an amendment</b> to strike the “mandatory rate” provision in the State Children’s Healthcare Insurance Program (SCHIP), ...
Peanut farmers need storage and handling fees paid for the 2007 crop
BladePlus, GA - Mar 2, 2007
... the storage and handling issue to their congressmen in Washington, DC The group met with US Congressmen Sanford Bishop, D-Ga., <b>Jack Kingston, R-Ga., ...</b>
Jack Kingston was also lobbied by his state's peanut farmers, along with GA democrat, Sanford Bishop.

I'm not saying that spending "add-ons" in supplemental appropriations "for the war" are a "good thing". I'm saying that the thread OP was rendered irrelevant because it was premised on "reporting" of a discredited partisan hack, Charles Hurt, to the point that the article is unreliable, making the point of the thread nearly meaningless.

There have been numerous published protests against the Bush admin. "supplementals", "for the war", because the "war" was 3-1/2 years old at the beginning of the 2007 fiscal year, last Oct. 1. There was no need, at least two budgets ago, not to anticipate most war related expenditures and include them in the budget. That would not serve to "hide" the extent of the budget deficit. By placing the war expenditures and the add-ons that were "left out" in order to make the deficit look better, republicans were able to run on a "record" of measurably lower deficits. If all of these expenses were budgeted, the deficit would be near what the total treasury deficit ended up being last year....$574 billion. The figure was just $18 billion in fiscal year 2000.

<b>I put the time and effort into replying to threads like this....threads "premised" with "news" articles that are not "news". I'm going to continue to point out that some of us get our "news" from "traditional" outlets....NY Times, Washington Post, LA Times, Chicago Tribune, BBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR, PBS.....and none of them feature reporters who reliably use the "democrat party" or "democrat leader", "give away"....that their reporter is a partisan hack....and none of them are financed by Rev. Moon, or by a CNP member, as in the case of the owner of "the Examiner", new employer of Charles Hurt....and, you would think.....that since this is not the first time, or the second, that I have "pulled the pants down" of an "alternative news" source....of an OP....that this "shit" would stop.....but it doesn't. </b>

The owner of "the Examiner", and examiner.com <a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200502030002?offset=20&show=1">Philip F. Anschutz</a>:
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Old 03-17-2007, 11:27 PM   #6 (permalink)
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You lost me somewhere host. Are you objecting to the "facts" presented or just who is presenting it? The peanut storage provision is well documented.

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Old 03-18-2007, 12:05 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Hey Astrocloud.....

In addition to my points about the subversion of the free press by religiously driven, partisan billionaires....and by William F. Buckely Jr.'s nephew, Brett Bozell, I thought that I provided a non-partisan explanation of what actually is taking place with regard to the supplemental war funding bill. The Congressional Daily reporting, titled, "* Bill to boost war spending has something for everyone (03/09/07)"
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0307/031307cdam1.htm

.....seems to explain the reasons for most of the non-military "add ons", and I provided other support for my point that this is about the way congress does business, not "democrats in congress", as Charles Hurt painted it. Republicans also seem to acknowledge that many cuts or omissions in their pre-midterm election budget proposals were legitimate expenditures, but delayed for political reasons....they had to appear to voters to be "reigning in" spending.

If you disagree with any of the spending "add-ons", as explained in the piece that I just linked to, let's discuss the specifics. If we can afford to waste hundreds of billions in Iraq, why wait until next october to fund these add-ons, when the government can borrow more money now, to do them?

We have added $3 trillion to the total federal treasury debt, since Jan. 2001. It was $5.7 trillion then, this year, it will reach $9 trillion. IMO, it's already hopeless....it won't be reversed, and that was the intent....just ask <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/12/AR2006101200889.html">Grover Norquist</a>....to bankrupt the federal treasury. If republican Jack King, for example, can't get the "add-on" for children's health insurance in GA, this will happen:
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.........This week's maneuvering over PeachCare's $131 million shortfall opened a window on the tensions between Georgia's congressional delegation and the statehouse — both dominated by Republicans — that have grown over the last couple of months.

The state's congressional delegation scratched its collective head recently when Perdue sent the General Assembly home for two weeks, saying they could do nothing more for PeachCare until Congress acted. Congress had no plans to do anything about the program during those two weeks.

"It's a judgment call on their part," Rep. Nathan Deal, a Hall County Republican involved in the search for federal funds, said of Perdue's maneuver. "I can understand from their perspective that they want to know what Congress is going to do."

Perdue this week finally committed state funds to temporarily keep PeachCare afloat, but only while saying Congress had finally heeded his call by adding $735 million needed by Georgia and the other states facing shortfalls to the Iraq war bill.

The House Appropriations Committee arranged that amendment this week, though its chairman and other House leaders announced weeks ago they intended to use the Iraq bill as a vehicle for funding SCHIP.....
I use the above reporting as support for my point that Charles Hurt's "article" in the OP, totally ignored that this "add-on" example, and I'm sure, at least half the others, have strong support from republicans. Only republicans are mentioned in the demand to fully fund SCHIP, something that republican governer Perdue has said that Bush promised to do, but then didn't......

All spending should be budgeted in the federal budget, and the "lame duck" congress, after the november election, didn't bother to draft or pass a "real" 2007 to 2008 budget, so things are reduced to this....

Charles Hurt was throwing the same "Support the Troops" rant at us,....give them the money....so they can "fight the GWOT"....it is "un" patriotic to add non-military items to the spending bill....blah....blah....blah....

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Personally, I feel that the elimination of all forms of the word "you" would make the Politics forum in general a much better place. However, I don't see how we can catagorically deny the validity of one of the most widely read newspapers in the country - the Washington Post.
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Old 03-18-2007, 08:24 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Okay guys, there is something that I don't think people are getting. Pork Barrel spending is usually tacked onto a larger spending bill in order to get it passed through congress. It's the ultimate in political manipulation because it's saying "If you want me to vote for your (unpopular) bill then do this for me and my constituents."

The case with Pork Spending in the most recent Republican majority congress was a little different. There it was a bribe fest and a free for all. I can back this up with plenty of examples, so if you must go down that road we will.

So in my view both parties (Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum) are responsible for runaway spending. Sure, some tacked on legislation like a Peanut Storage provision (or a Health Care initiative) might benefit somebody... but the point is that the war budget is getting passed.

This should make some people happy (and some others rather sad).
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War has always been a way for government to send pork monies out, this is nothing new.

Our economy is still built off defense and war (although that is shrinking to almost nothing). WW2, WW1, Korea, Vietnam.... there was a reason the economies boomed during those wars = Government sent big ass money everywhere.

To be quite honest, while I never like the idea of piggy backing money, but we need may need those farm subsidy emergency money.... I know the Citrus crops are taking serious hits. And look at it this way..... they ship our tax money there or we pay more for food. I'd rather see the tax money go there someone who needs the food mnay not be able to buy it if we didn't buoy the price.

Then again, looking at it from the money aspect..... this war sucks because it really isn't helping the economy........ what a fucked up world when you can't even count on a war helping your economy....... oh wait, that's what happens when all the jobs and manufacturing goes overseas, nations that may be hostile and not like you make the money.

And if we had those factories and had people working at them making decent wages........ we would have more tax revenue, a truly booming economy and no one would say anything about any of this.
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Old 03-18-2007, 12:43 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Host, is the Baltimore Sun similarly unreliable, or can we finally accept the reality that the Democrat Congress is continuing the Republican legacy of fiscal irresponsibility? Is it so hard to believe that the Democrat Party is capable of making bad decisions?
RE: The authors of the article that you posted (It was clearly marked at the top as an "op-ed" piece):
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<i>"Brian M. Riedl is the Grover M. Hermann fellow in federal budgetary affairs in the Roe Institute for Economic Policy Studies at the Heritage Foundation. His e-mail is brian.riedl@heritage.org. Baker Spring is Heritage's F. M. Kirby fellow in national security policy. His e-mail is baker.spring@heritage.org."</i>
One thing is clear....if conservatives are in significant numbers, "duped" into believing that most of their information stream is from independent "reporting" and from independent "think tanks", but actually comes from a very concentrated and biased little "community" of Mellon Scaife and CNP members' directed donations, and <b>"investments"</b> how can we have a level "playing field" here, or in the 3D world?

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<h3>Dr. Edwin J. Feulner, Jr.- CNP Board of Governors 1982, 1996, 1998, CNP Executive Committee1988, 1994, 1998, 1999; President, The Heritage Foundation, </h3>Trustee since 1973; Publisher of Heritage's Policy Review 18. The Journal of American Citizenship; received Presidential Citizens Medal for being "a leader of the conservative movement" from President Reagan in 1989.....

......The Heritage Foundation received $2.2 million from the Federation of Korean Industries in the early 1980s. Initially it was believed this donation came from the Korean Central Intelligence Agency (KCIA) (which would make the Heritage Foundation a foreign agent of Korea), but the Federation later stated that the donation came at the encouragement of the KCIA.. 28

Feulner was recruited in 1977 by Richard Scaife, heir of the Mellon fortune, to become Heritage president, a position he holds today. In 1975, Feulner was introduced to KCIA station chief Kim Yung Hwan by Neil Salonen and Dan Feffernan of the Freedom Leadership foundation.' Salonen was head of Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church in the United States. The Freedom Leadership Foundation (FLF), a political arm of Moon's Unification network was linked to the World Anti-Communist League (WACL). The FLF was described as 'an organization to be used to achieve KCIA objectives,' by the Congressional report, which was based on a KCIA document that discussed FLF." (8)' 29

Richard Allen (CNP) and Ed Fuelner together founded Heritage's Asian Studies Center in 1983 and Mr. Allen has served as its chairman ever since. Asian Studies Center, 30. which The Nation magazine of 1/23/89 states "has quartered apologists for [South Korean Prime Minister] Chun's regime." The Wall Street Journal of August 1995 does not mention Sun Myung Moon, but references the Korea Foundation, one of Heritage's largest donors and an affiliate of the South Korean government. The WSJ article states that Heritage Foundation promotes and actually writes pro-Korean legislation.

Heritage Foundation has had a close connection with the Rev. Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church through its former Director of Administration, Michael Warder. Warder was a director of the Unification Church in the United States in 1977. Warder was also secretary of the International Cultural Foundation, an umbrella organization coordinating a variety of Moon's projects.(61) 31 The Heritage offices in Washington, D.C. housed and employed a number of Unification Church operatives such as Michael Warder. "Christian Voice" is also one Moon-connected group that has operated out of the Heritage building. A 'former' Moon operative, Gary Jarmin [CNP], attacked critics of Moon and gave an interview to a Moon-controlled newspaper after he joined the Christian Voice (CV) staff. CV's chair, Robert Grant [CNP], has been a leader of Moon's Unification network front groups such as the American Freedom Coalition, which fundraised for Oliver North.

Feulner claims that the Heritage foundation has received funding from 87 top corporations. Included among them are Richard Mellon Scaife (Gulf Oil), the Coors family, Justin Dart (Dart Industries) the Bechtel Corp, Dow Chemical, the Readers Digest Association, Chase Manhattan Bank, Mobil Oil, Smith Kline Corporation, and G.D. Searle. Two intimate friends of Ronald Reagan--William Casey and Henry Salvatori--also made significant contributions.(2,44) Between 1973 and 1985, Richard Mellon Scaife , through the Sarah Scaife Foundation, donated over $4 million to the foundation and over a million dollars in both 1985 and 1986.(9,38) Other major corporate funders in 1985 and 1986 included the Olin Foundation ($400,000 per year); the Samuel Roberts Nobel Foundation ($350,000 in 1985 and $500,000 in 1986); the Adolph Coors Foundation, the M.J. Murdock Charitable Trust, the J.M. Foundation, the Starr Foundation, and the Winston-Salem Foundation ($100,000 in 1985), with all but Coors repeating in 1986. Smaller contributions are received regularly from several oil companies, General Motors, Ford Motors, Proctor and Gambel, and other enterprises.(38,39) 32.

.....Peter T. Flaherty - CNP 1988, 1996, 1998; President, National Legal and Policy Center 40 ; chairman, Conservative Campaign Fund, a political action committee; head, Center for Reform; commentaries have appeared in the Washington Post, USA Today, Los Angeles Times, and Human Events 41 ; former chairman, Citizens for Reagan, a 100,000 member lobby; past recipient, "American Hero Award," presented by the National Defense Council; Advisory Board, The Patrick Henry Center, CNP's Gary Aldrich founder and President; chairman is CNP's Edwin Meese who holds the Reagan Chair in Public Policy at The Heritage Foundation.....
....and Politicophile....excuse the unorthodox url where the preceding information is located. Your welcome to challenge any of it, and we can examine, defend, challenge, impeach, or expand on any of the information and "ties" between CNP, Heritage Foundation, Korean Secret Agencies, and Rev. Moon....to our hearts' content.

All documentation that I have posted in the past on this forum about CNP, Council for National Policy, is accompanied by references to the "secrecy" of the CNP and it's members.....

I'm just trying to provide examples of the "narrow casting" that passes, and is overwhelmingly accepted....as "conservative news". I think that it explains why "each side" appears to live in "it's own world", and how the "liberal media" is just an endlessly repeated mantra, to cover the the growing body of evidence that the "real" news media, just seems "liberal" compared to the BS that is passed of as "news" by Rev. Moon and by the financial influence of less than 3 dozen mega rich "christianized" conservative zealots, cloaked alarmingly, in a veil of secrecy. The other "arm" of this "noise machine" is run by Brett Bozell, and he is also sponsored and financed by the same "money". This "money" also finances what is passed off as conservative "thought", and "research" at "think tanks", such as "Heritage", Hoover, and <a href="http://www.aei.org/">AEI</a>....all financed by the same, wealthy, narrow interests, and dressed up to look like they are some kind of "grass roots" based, conservative academia.

Who the "eff" even knows what this "stuff" implies:
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Mystery firm linked to US lobbyist scandal

ZachColeman

Saturday, January 21, 2006


US government investigators probing Washington's explosive Congressional bribery scandal centered on disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff recently visited Hong Kong, according to a witness interviewed by the authorities.

The investigators reportedly are chasing convoluted money trails leading to Abramoff and government officials he sought to influence.

Among the likely subjects of interest here is a previously unknown company called Rose Garden Holdings. In May 2002, Abramoff notified the US Senate that Rose Garden had hired him and Greenberg Traurig, his firm at the time, to represent Rose Garden's "interests before federal agencies and [the] US Congress."

Abramoff recorded Rose Garden's address as a luxury flat in Tai Hang, above Causeway Bay, and its business as international trade. Over the next year and a half, the records show, Rose Garden paid Greenberg Traurig US$1.4 million (HK$10.92 million) for putting its case to the Senate, House of Representatives and US Department of Labor.

Hong Kong's Companies Registry has no record of Rose Garden Holdings; nor does the telephone directory. The apartment listed by Abramoff as Rose Garden's premises has been owned since 1992 by Luen Thai Shipping and Trading, according to the Land Registry.

Luen Thai Holdings and its controlling shareholders, the Tan family, were leading beneficiaries of Abramoff's Washington lobbying.....
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http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_d...sear_year=2006
Houses of scandal

Saturday, January 28, 2006


The wave of corruption allegations sweeping through Washington's highest echelons has washed into Hong Kong business. Zach Coleman and Chaim Estulin investigate

T he sign on the door of Suite 401 of the Baskerville House office building in Central has changed. The same folks are believed to be in the office, but a political drama on the other side of the world is disrupting their work.

Washington loves a scandal and almost daily revelations about lobbyist Jack Abramoff's influence machine have gripped political mavens worldwide.

The troubles of Abramoff, now under indictment, and his close friend, United States Congressman Tom DeLay, who has also been indicted on an unrelated matter and has stepped down as Majority Leader of the US House of Representatives, threaten to swamp the Republican machine in corruption investigations.

Less well known is that a substantial tributary of Abramoff's river of influence ran through Hong Kong. Joining the casualty list from the scandal next week will be lobbying firm Alexander Strategy Group, whose only office outside Washington was in Hong Kong. Following Abramoff's guilty plea on charges of conspiracy, mail fraud and tax evasion, Alexander Strategy's activities are now a focus of scrutiny by US government investigators, according to the New York Times.

With business as usual impossible, the firm will officially close its doors at the end of the month.

Alexander Strategy lies at the center of the web between Abramoff and
DeLay.

It was founded by former DeLay chief of staff Ed Buckham and employed DeLay's wife and other former aides. The firm worked closely and shared clients with Abramoff.

A significant avenue of cooperation ran through Hong Kong, where Abramoff's original firm, Preston Gates & Ellis, established its first overseas presence soon after he joined.

At the center of the Hong Kong operation was Belle Haven Consultants, which shared space with Alexander in Central. The ties allowed Alexander to reach beyond Capitol Hill to enmesh Asian clients. In the same office was the Heritage Foundation, the US conservative think-tank best known here for naming Hong Kong the freest economy in the world in its annual Index of Economic Freedom.

Through the efforts of Alexander Strategy, Abramoff and Heritage, millions of dollars flowed from Asia to Washington. Clients in turn gained access to official Washington, including President George W Bush.

Since The Standard first wrote about the subject two years ago, other investigations into the Asian ventures of Alexander Strategy and Heritage Foundation have raised more questions about whether Heritage overstepped the bounds of its nonprofit status in the US and how congressional junkets to the region were accounted for and financed.

Today, the Alexander Strategy and Heritage Foundation names are gone from the door of Suite 401. Belle Haven Consultant's name remains in the building and floor lobbies.

This little-known firm <h3>was formed as a for-profit entity by Edwin Feulner, Heritage's co-founder and president, in 1997 together with Kenneth Sheffer, his chief personal adviser on Asia policy, according to The Washington Post.

Feulner's wife, Linda, later took his place as a partner then withdrew in 2001 to serve as a paid senior adviser, the Post reported. She also served as a paid adviser to Alexander Strategy.</h3>

Alexander Strategy partner Edward Stewart told the Standard in 2004 that Linda Feulner introduced his firm to Belle Haven, which subsequently acted as a subcontractor to Alexander Strategy. Belle Haven, now co-owned by Sheffer and long-time associate Beth Allison Cave, has also been a client of Alexander Strategy's lobbying business.
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more "background" info, from a chrisitian group opposed to Weyrich:
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THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION

Power Elites: The Merger of Right and Left

.........Paul Weyrich

Paul Weyrich is considered by conservative Powers That Be as the most powerful man in American politics today. Weyrich allegedly founded the immensely influential conservative think tank, Heritage Foundation, in 1973 with funding from Joseph Coors of the Coors beer empire and Richard Mellon-Scaife, heir of the Carnegie-Mellon fortune. (2)

Over the past 25 years, Heritage has also been funded by private foundations such as Pew Charitable Trust which also funded many GOALS 2000 initiatives. William Greider's bestseller, Who Will Tell the People: The Betrayal of American Democracy reveals other benefactors: "Not withstanding its role as 'populist' spokesman, Weyrich's organization, for instance, has received grants from Amoco, General Motors, Chase Manhattan Bank [David Rockefeller] and right-wing foundations like Olin and Bradley." (3)

Paul Weyrich served as President of Heritage Foundation until 1974 when he founded the Committee for the Survival of a Free Congress (which he heads today as the Free Congress Foundation). Heritage Foundation guided the Reagan administration during its period of transition and Joe Coors served in the President's "Kitchen Cabinet." During its first year, the Reagan administration adopted fully two-thirds of the recommendations of Heritage's Mandate for Leadership: Policy Management in a Conservative Administration.

John Saloma's Ominous Politics, refers to Heritage as a "shadow government" noting that "[Heritage President] (Edwin) Feulner also served on the Reagan transition executive committee (fourteen other Heritage staff and board members also had transition appointments), but declined to join the administration." (4)

A 1995 Wall Street Journal observed the formidable influence of the Heritage Foundation on government policies since the Reagan era: .......

.....Facist Connections

Paul Weyrich - considered the architect and mainstay of the conservative revolution - calls for "reclaiming the culture" and a "second American Revolution." A look at the inflammatory, extremist rhetoric with racial and Inquisitorial overtones on <b>the Free Congress Foundation</b> web site should alarm Christians as to Weyrich's real intent: ......
The following is an archived page....the current link leads to a .pdf file,
and I was too impatient to wait for it to load: http://www.freecongress.org/aboutfcf.aspx
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Paul Weyrich:
PERSONAL

* Age: 57. Born in Racine, Wisconsin, married to Joyce Smigun Weyrich, July 6, 1963. Children:
* Dawn (Mrs. Edward Ceol), 36, Mother of Jillian, granddaughter, and twin grandsons, Alexander and Benjamin.
* Peter, 35, Account Executive, Effinity Services.
* Diana (Mrs. Craig Pascoe), 34, President, The Capital Network and Development Group, Mother of Stephen James.
* Sephen, 29, Senior Producer, Frontiers of Medicine, Father of Matthew, grandson, Sarah, granddaughter, and Michael, grandson.
* Andrew, 24, CEO, ImLikeU.com, candidate for Masters degree, George Mason University.

BACKGROUND AND POSITIONS

Public Policy

* President, Free Congress Research and Education Foundation, 1977 - present.
* President, The Krieble Institute of Free Congress Foundation (responsible for training democracy movements in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Empire) 1989 - 1996.
* Member, Board of Directors, The Freedom and Democracy Institute of Russia, 1997 - present.
<b>* Treasurer, Council for National Policy, 1981 - 1992. (currently on the Executive Committee of the CNP)</b>
* National Chairman, Coalitions for America, 1978 - present.
* Founder, American Legislative Exchange Council, 1973; Director, 1975 - 1978.
<b> * Founding President, The Heritage Foundation, 1973 - 1974. </b>

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Host not to play into your threadjack but what "Conservative News" would you consider legitimate? The National Review? The American Conservative?
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Host not to play into your threadjack but what "Conservative News" would you consider legitimate? The National Review? The American Conservative?
Astrocloud, I have no way of knowing where the neoconservative movement begins and the CIA funding and influence end....Buckley, founder of National Review, and uncle of Brett Bozzell, is...as are both George Bushes, a Yale "bonesman", and was...as were Irving Kristol and George Bush '41...on the CIA "payroll"....

To this day...the National Review magazine contains scant corporate advertising, has never turned a profit, and depends on "donations" for it's coninued publication. The post WWII conservative "moement" in the US, seems to have been funded by the CIA:

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William F. Buckley Jr. | page 1, 2

WFB was born in 1925 in New York City. He was the sixth of 10 children of a conservative Catholic oil man. His early years were spent on the family estate in Sharon, Conn., where he was raised by Mexican household help. His first language was Spanish; he mastered English while attending day school in London. He entered the military shortly before the end of World War II, and then found his way to Yale, from which he graduated in 1950. Then he worked briefly for the CIA.

"For 50 years," he recently told me, "I never talked about what I did in the CIA because I had pledged not to. But I just picked up a book in England [Frances Stonor Saunders' 'Who Paid the Piper,' not yet available in the United States] that describes what I did do." With the story on the public record, he no longer saw any reason to keep it a secret.

Stationed in Mexico, WFB edited "The Road to Yenan," a detailed account of Communist designs for world hegemony by Eudocio Ravines, an influential Communist in pre-war Peru.

Shortly thereafter, he entered the public spotlight and never left. At 25, he penned "God and Man at Yale," a broadside against creeping secularism at his alma mater. He ran a symbolic campaign for mayor of New York in 1965, and served as public delegate in the mind-numbing bureaucracy of the United Nations in 1973. But as a writer and architect of the modern conservative movement he truly made his mark. He founded National Review in 1955 at age 30, when the world considered conservative intellectuals a genetic impossibility. Just nine years later, NR would prove instrumental in Barry Goldwater's rise to the GOP nomination for president. In 1980, Goldwater protégé Ronald Reagan won the White House, and made National Review mandatory reading for his entire staff.

In 1976, Buckley wrote "Saving the Queen," the first of 11 spy novels chronicling the life of Blackford Oakes, a striking and brilliant deep-cover CIA agent. Buckley created Oakes because in the rest of the spy genre the CIA and KGB were often portrayed as moral equivalents, two sides of the same macabre coin. For Buckley, what separated the two agencies, even if they shared some tactics, were their ends, and that made all the difference. America was a force for freedom and democracy, the U.S.S.R. for atheistic oppression and genocide.

The Cold War may be over, but it remains Buckley's foremost political preoccupation, as evidenced by his new book, "The Redhunter." Mainstream critics reviewed it unfavorably, often seeing it as an effort to "resurrect" McCarthy, the great bogeyman of American politics.

Buckley's approach is more complex. His portrayal of Oakes' expeditions into Cuba, Berlin, Vietnam and elsewhere were commentaries on American foreign policy. But "The Redhunter" is Buckley's critique of America's domestic Cold War. He paints a warts-and-all portrait of McCarthy, showing the recklessness, poor judgment, browbeating, grandstanding and alcoholism. But he separates the man from the anti-communist movement he at first embodied and later discredited. "I have thought for a long time," Buckley has observed, "that McCarthy did more damage to his cause than benefit."

Buckley is more than an observer of the Cold War; he is also a veteran, having known almost all the major players on the Western side. He peppers his novels with first-person historical insights and anecdotes. Lengthy quotations from Whittaker Chambers in "The Redhunter," for example, come directly from letters the former communist once wrote to the author. The book features a scene in which Joe McCarthy wakes up fictional protagonist Harry Bontecou in the middle of the night to hear his plan for the liberation of China. The episode is real. Here, as elsewhere, Bontecou is a stand-in for WFB.

Buckley sees little reason to accord democratic privileges to Stalinists who plot to overthrow American democracy. Nor does he believe in extending constitutional protections to those who, if they ever came to power, would immediately rescind them. Certain ideas, he believes -- such as Nazism and communism -- are simply "unassimilable," and have no place in a liberal society. He voices this sentiment through the character of Columbia professor Willmoore Sherrill (a proxy for Willmoore Kendall, WFB's mentor and CIA recruiter at Yale), who argued that there are people who don't fit under the "American tent."

It's the sort of position that critics would categorize as extreme, but it's more moderate than a First Amendment absolutism that would allow those sympathetic to a hostile foreign power to be privy to national-security secrets. WFB is passionately anti-communist, but prudent enough to have recognized McCarthy's excesses, and to have decisively rejected the John Birch Society in its heyday. He is opposed to gun control, but cannot fathom the NRA's opposition to banning so-called assault rifles. He supports drug legalization, but wants distribution managed and regulated by the federal government. Such positions may be, as Eric Alterman says, "far divorced from the mainstream," but they are tempered, and not dogmatic -- which may be why even his most severe critics find him unthreatening.

One almost forgets, when WFB refers to lunch with Henry, a stroll with Ronald or a trip with Milton, that he is speaking of a former secretary of state, a former president or a Nobel Prize-winning economist. But if Bill Buckley walks with kings, he has not lost the common touch. At a recent celebration commemorating Ronald Reagan's 88th birthday, Buckley, the keynote speaker, was seated at the head table with Nancy Reagan, two former cabinet secretaries and the ex-governor of California. The moment the dinner ended, he ditched the dignitaries, dodged hundreds of autograph seekers and sneaked out to the parking lot to meet old friends for a nightcap.....

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My cold war - Irving Kristol, political philosopher, intellectual
National Interest, The, Spring, 1993

THIS PAST FALL, in what used to be East Berlin, I attended a commemorative conference on "The Cold War and After." It was sponsored by the late, lamented Encounter magazine, <b>which had been founded in London in 1953 by Stephen Spencer and myself, and which ceased publication last year. Though I left the magazine at the end of 1958, to return to New York, I have always felt a special sense of solidarity with it.

Encounter was accused of being a "Cold War" magazine, which in a sense was true enough. It was published by the Congress for Cultural Freedom, which was later revealed to be financed by the CIA.</b> As a cultural-political journal, it published many fine literary essays, literary criticism, art criticism, short stories, and poetry, and in sheer bulk they probably preponderated. But there is no doubt its ideological core--its "mission," as it were--was to counteract, insofar as it was possible, the anti-American, pro-Soviet views of a large segment of the intellectual elites in the Western democracies and in the English-speaking Commonwealth.....
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Published on Saturday, March 18, 2000 in the New York Times
How the Central Intelligence Agency Played Dirty Tricks With Our Culture
by Laurence Zuckerman


Many people remember reading George Orwell's "Animal Farm" in high school or college, with its chilling finale in which the farm animals looked back and forth at the tyrannical pigs and the exploitative human farmers but found it "impossible to say which was which."

That ending was altered in the 1955 animated version, which removed the humans, leaving only the nasty pigs. Another example of Hollywood butchering great literature? Yes, but in this case the film's secret producer was the Central Intelligence Agency.

The C.I.A., it seems, was worried that the public might be too influenced by Orwell's pox-on-both-their-houses critique of the capitalist humans and Communist pigs. So after his death in 1950, agents were dispatched (by none other than E. Howard Hunt, later of Watergate fame) to buy the film rights to "Animal Farm" from his widow to make its message more overtly anti-Communist.

Rewriting the end of "Animal Farm" is just one example of the often absurd lengths to which the C.I.A. went, as recounted in a new book, "The Cultural Cold War: The C.I.A. and the World of Arts and Letters" (The New Press) by Frances Stonor Saunders, a British journalist. Published in Britain last summer, the book will appear here next month.

Much of what Ms. Stonor Saunders writes about, including the C.I.A.'s covert sponsorship of the Paris-based Congress for Cultural Freedom and the British opinion magazine Encounter, was exposed in the late 1960's, generating a wave of indignation. But by combing through archives and unpublished manuscripts and interviewing several of the principal actors, Ms. Stonor Saunders has uncovered many new details and gives the most comprehensive account yet of the agency's activities between 1947 and 1967.
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....except for it's anti immigration bent, I don't see that the American Conservative Magazine is propagandist or associated with CNP, Moon, CIA, Bozell, or politically active evangelical christians.
Here is a description of the American Conservative Magazine's most prominent columnist:
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A racist rant too far? Police investigate Taki the playboy pundit
By Sholto Byrnes
Published: 01 February 2003

.....Such casual racism is the stock-in-trade of Taki, who is known mainly by his first name. In 1997 he described Puerto Ricans in New York as "a bunch of semi-savages ... fat, squat, ugly, dusky, dirty." In 2001 he called himself a "soi-disant anti-Semite" and has also referred to Kenya as "bongo-bongo land".

Repulsive though such comments are, they are what pass for humour in the Eurotrash plutocratic circles in which Taki mixes. His world skis at Gstaad, goes to the Ascot races – a crowd of "society" figures who are slowly departing for the great gambling tables of the hereafter.

Married to Princess Alexandra Schoenburg, Taki inherited a fortune from his father John and divides his time between a $5m house in New York's Upper East Side and Gstaad, where he recently crashed his car.

His strict treatment at the hands of the local police is what prompted his musings on crime problems in Britain.

His friends and acquaintances are the characters that fill his friend Nigel Dempster's pages. The Daily Mail gossip columnist refers to Taki as the "Greek sportsman", a description he has earned through his past participation in the Davis Cup and captaining of the Greek karate team.

He was close to Gianni Agnelli. His friendship with the Fiat magnate lasted 45 years until his recent death. "K", the Aga Khan, was a friend and he boasts an on-off friendship with Mohamed al-Fayed, English aristocrats, obscure European royalty and any pretty girl who chances across his path.

He is famously libidinous and is happy to call himself a "playboy".

His interest in right-wing politics comes from his father, and he is proud of the fact that not much thought has gone into his views. "Why make up your own mind when someone else can make up your mind for you?" he has asked.

Along with the Duke of Devonshire and the Earl of Portsmouth he was one of the backers of Neil Hamilton's failed libel bid against Mr Fayed, although he was not best pleased when he later found himself being pursued for Mr Fayed's costs.

Taki is happy to admit, as readers of his Spectator column know, to taking a line so right-wing it borders on the fascist. When building a new house he declared that he would name it "Palazzo Pinochet", after the Chilean dictator. General Franco is another of his heroes........
....and I thought that this should increase conservative readership, dontcha think?
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http://www.laweekly.com/general/feat...-a-wrong/3329/
Do Two Rights Make a Wrong?

Not this time: New mag publishers Pat Buchanan and Taki Theodoracopulos take on the neoconservatives
By Brendan Bernhard
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 12:00 am

....If Buchanan the anti-war crusader isn't enough of a surprise, here's another one: His partner in crime at The American Conservative (TAC) is Peter Theodoracopulos (universally known as "Taki"), a columnist and Greek-American playboy who once spent three months in a British jail for possession of cocaine. Taki, normally so right-wing he's off the charts, isn't sounding like much of a fascist these days either, even if he does have a dog named Benito. He calls Bill Kristol, the neoconservative editor of The Weekly Standard, "a little dictator who wants Kristol first, the U.S. second and the world third, in that order."....

<i><b>Taki:</b> 'We’re sending The
American Conservative to every
fucking policy wonk in Washington.
I’ve had 35 years as a journalist,
and now I want a little bit
more gravitas. I’m not going to
be writing about how I got
drunk and fell on the floor
and chased some pussy.'</i>
So....I think that you can tell when a conservative news source is "not on message"....a more unique presentation of opinion, I have not encountered in the conservative "press"!
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Putting aside the pork issue for a sec (which most would agree is bi-partisan in its habitual practice, nearly as old as Congress itself, but hardly responsible for "the destruction of America"), this bill is a long way from passage.

And not because of the pork, but because it includes the Pelosi/Murtha language calling for a "withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq by August 2008 at the latest" (and sets requirements for unit readiness and lengths of deployments that may be waived by Bush under certain circumstances). What strikes me as interesting is how little press attention this provision received as opposed to the pork.

In any case, the bill faces its next hurdle on the House floor, where it is likely to be opposed by the more anti-war Dems who believe the language funding the war for another year+ is not strong enough and the Repubs who call it "a slow bleeding" strategy. Its not clear at all the Pelosi has the votes to pass the bill with her language. (More on the challenge Pelosi faces in the House to get this passed - link)

And, then, comes the Senate, where the Repubs have already threatened a fillibuster if the bill includes any language counter to the Bush "surge" strategy.

Interesting weeks ahead in Congress. We shall see how Bush will ultimately get the funding he wants (along with some pork) ...but with what strings attached on the ongoing fiasco in Iraq?

If it takes a little pork to get a bill through both houses of Congress and on to Bush's desk that puts restrictions on the failing "stay the course and surge" war strategy.....it will have my support!
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I have always thought that adding pork to a major spending bill in order to secure its passage was a bad idea and a lot like bribery.

My wife says "you know we need to add health care insurance to our budget". I reply "sure I'll agree to that but only if we also add an HDTV and a new motorcycle. We can always borrow the money"

I agree with others who think this is one of the things wrong with our government's budget control. The merits of the major bill seems to get lost in the bribes.
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I have always thought that adding pork to a major spending bill in order to secure its passage was a bad idea and a lot like bribery.

My wife says "you know we need to add health care insurance to our budget". I reply "sure I'll agree to that but only if we also add an HDTV and a new motorcycle. We can always borrow the money"

I agree with others who think this is one of the things wrong with our government's budget control. The merits of the major bill seems to get lost in the bribes.
To quote another thread, pork is costing this country "BILLIONS upon BILLIONS" of dollars, not to mention the integrity of our entire system of government. I'll mourn America from my ivory tower in the hidden Randian utopia.
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Old 03-26-2007, 07:04 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Pork barrel politics is a political practice, not an ideological one...except for peripherally perhaps, and moreso depending on the pork being barrelled. And I really don't understand an attempt to bring it up as some kind of enlightening new fact.

Look, your guys do it, too...so see, you have no philosophical basis with which to not vote conservative. Is this the reasoning?

I am on the left because of a profound philosophical difference on humanist issues from most people on the right. Not because I'm under the impression that republicans sponsor pork barrel politics and democrats do not. In fact, the vast array of commonly held, and doubtful, political practices in US politics among BOTH parties are one of the reasons I consider myself to be more of a liberal and a leftist than a "democrat."

So democrats sponsor pork barrel politics...really, yeah well, that's real interesting. Let me just finish up this round of Tetris and I'll get right on giving that the kind of profound consideration it deserves.
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Old 03-26-2007, 08:37 AM   #19 (permalink)
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So democrats sponsor pork barrel politics...really, yeah well, that's real interesting. Let me just finish up this round of Tetris and I'll get right on giving that the kind of profound consideration it deserves.
Democrats and Republicans know this well and bribery will continue as long as we go along with it. There is little down side for our polititians to continue to add bribes to a spending bill which would not pass otherwise.

Sure, I'll vote for your "bridge to nowhere" bill if you'll add my "train to nowhere". In order to get her vote we'll probably have to add the "highway to nowhere" as well. And so it goes.
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