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Old 02-20-2007, 12:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
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When posting articles in reference

I have created a new tag called HIDE. I created it to help this forum grow... by "shrinking." It's not a myth that readers are turned off at the sight of a ghastly long post with endless paragraphs and even multiple quoted articles. The HIDE tag will complement the QUOTE tag, and in some cases replace it, to help us make our posts more casual reader friendly.

Here is how to use it:

Quote:
Test reference article title   click to show 


We knew it all along.

As you can see, the bulk of the article is hidden until called upon with a click, with the juicy bits visible in the quotes.

I hope this helps.
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Old 02-20-2007, 12:11 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Edit: Hal's post below now shows you the way to do it.
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Old 02-20-2007, 12:15 AM   #3 (permalink)
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A just compromise. Thank you Halx.
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Old 02-20-2007, 12:18 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Anyway we could add to the tag a title or a summary?

That way it would say the title or summary followed by a click to show hidden text. Or else perhaps have it show the first couple sentences followed by a click here to show the remainder of the article. It would be nice to have an idea what the hidden text is without actually having to unhide it all.

Anyway, great feature thanks!
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Old 02-20-2007, 12:24 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Rekna, good suggestion.. I added the option for that.

The syntax is as follows:

[ hide=Title of article ]article[/hide]

But.. ya know.. without the spaces at the brackets
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Old 02-20-2007, 12:32 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Here is one way this might work.
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Police cars have been crashing and it's the cops and their irresponsible driving that is the cause of the vast majority of the accidents.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/183200
Toronto Star-Why police crash cruisers   click to show 

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Many of the accidents caused by police may have been due to inattention. How else to explain a police officer who backs his vehicle into another car in the parking lot of Bagel Plus; or the officer who backed his car into a parked police scout car at a police sally port; or the one who backed into a construction hole?
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This would allow you to post the whole article and then also pull the one paragraph you really want to highlight.
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Old 02-20-2007, 12:55 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Nice feature, I like it.

Thanks.
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Old 02-20-2007, 07:20 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Hal, you're 90% of the way to a good Host impression. Add another thirty or so articles and I think you'll have it.
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Old 02-20-2007, 09:27 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Don't threadjack politicophile. Instead you should make a thread about "hataing on host" so you and anyone else can give host shit elsewhere.
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Old 02-20-2007, 09:30 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Awesome this is great work!
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Old 02-20-2007, 09:43 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Don't threadjack politicophile. Instead you should make a thread about "hataing on host" so you and anyone else can give host shit elsewhere.
You're absolutely right, Ch'i. Hal did not create this new hide article feature specifically because he was sick of repeatedly warning Host not to create scroll-button-breaking posts with literally dozens of (unhidden) articles. Correllation does not equal causation, as they say...
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Old 02-20-2007, 09:51 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I don't believe host was given warnings for posting too many articles. His diligence in posting so much supporting evidence should not be considered a problem. Host does a lot more work than the average person when creating his posts. The most i've ever seen is a request for host to move to summaries with links to the entire text instead of the whole article (something that other users are asked not to do). There is no reason to bash host here he has done nothing wrong.
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Old 02-20-2007, 10:40 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Here

And this

Hal explains the existence of this thread as a response to Host over here.
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Old 02-20-2007, 10:47 AM   #14 (permalink)
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All I have to say Politicophile is Hal warned Host.... it is not your job to attack him or to act the way you are.... it truly shows pettiness and imaturity on your side.
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Old 02-20-2007, 10:58 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Awesome feature guys, TY.
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Old 02-20-2007, 11:06 AM   #16 (permalink)
 
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wait--not this again.

first, let me say that i have no problem with the new feature. it's good even.

BUT:

what is the fucking problem with the fact that host researches his posts?

i really do not understand why he is not understood as an asset rather than as a problem. i really dont.

some of his research is remarkable--unlike anything else i have seen on the web--and it is closer to realtime in some cases than you often find--and if you think moving at that speed is easy, then you haven't tried it.

his posts are not perfect: but then again nothing is--but regardless of whatever trivial difficulties that some of the sources might raise (which are easily addressed with minimal work from you, reader) the fact is that what host does is really a considerable task and that this place is lucky to have him as part of the community.

what i see is a series of objections to host's politics that are being fobbed off as objections to the length of the posts.
i find that disengenuous.
if you really object to what host is doing, then assemble counter-posts: do the fucking research, invest some effort: dont whine about having to scroll. jesus christ.

sometimes i think that a real problem is that folk here really undervalue what this place DOES have. the recurrent attacks on host are a good example of this. and what is worse, there is NOTHING TO THEM.
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Old 02-20-2007, 11:13 AM   #17 (permalink)
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All I have to say Politicophile is Hal warned Host.... it is not your job to attack him or to act the way you are.... it truly shows pettiness and imaturity on your side.
Quoted for truth. Grow up.
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Old 02-20-2007, 11:33 AM   #18 (permalink)
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roachboy, I think you're slightly missing the point and benefit of this feature. First, the feature is not only useful for host. I have already gone back and edited a recent post of mine to utilize this feature, and I plan to do so with some others as well. It simply makes the site more readable while maintaining the content as well. This is especially true with host's posts though. His research is valued. That's why we've tried to find some way, time and time again, to reach a balance between his research and creating a friendly site for users who do not wish to be forced to scroll so much in every thread he posts in. Unfortunately, many previous ideas were countered by host with the fact that a lot of the things he quotes are not freely available elsewhere on the web, hence, he can't simply link to them. This new feature, on the other hand, allows host to provide his research while also not forcing people to scroll so much. Furthermore, it allows him to provide the whole article in hidden form while highlighting only the most important points for those who may not wish to read the whole article. Personally, I think that this is not only a good solution - it's the perfect solution. One thing is it not, on the other hand, is an attack on host or his research. If anything, it is a recognition of the value his research can bring.
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Old 02-20-2007, 11:56 AM   #19 (permalink)
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All I have to say Politicophile is Hal warned Host.... it is not your job to attack him or to act the way you are.... it truly shows pettiness and imaturity on your side.
"Attack him?" You mean this?:

Quote:
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Hal, you're 90% of the way to a good Host impression. Add another thirty or so articles and I think you'll have it.
Host and I have always been mutually respectful of each other and the above was in no way an attack on him. Rather, in response to Hal's obvious jab at Host in the OP, I noted that an actual "Host post" would be considerably longer than Hal's (rather amusing) quip that the POTUS finally admitted to being a terrorist.

In relation to the actual thread, I'll say that the hide feature is a good way for us all to make source posts more readable. In theory, this should increase participation in the politics forum because folks will see it as more accessible. While I certainly agree that Host should be permitted to post his lengthy collections of facts about the corruption of the bush administration, Hal makes a good point about how using a tool like the hide feature will make Host's contributions more readable.
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Old 02-20-2007, 12:27 PM   #20 (permalink)
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what is the fucking problem with the fact that host researches his posts?
Depends on whether you want to debate or to filibuster.
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Old 02-20-2007, 12:33 PM   #21 (permalink)
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If I may make a quick modification to Charlatan's example, in the interest of maximizing the usefulness of this feature...

Example Code (again, without spaces after the brackets):

[ url="http://news.bbc.co.uk"]Link to source[/url][ quote][ hide=title of article]full content of article[/hide]
Most important sentence/paragraph of article[/quote]

This displays:

Link to source
Quote:
title of article   click to show 

Most important sentence/paragraph of article
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Old 02-20-2007, 02:02 PM   #22 (permalink)
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roachboy, I love that host researches. I love it when people spend time putting together their posts. This feature does not change it. What this feature does is make it so the casual readers of the forum will actually read and the guys who want to dig a trench have the option of getting into details.
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Old 02-20-2007, 02:21 PM   #23 (permalink)
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This is a very helpful feature. There have been articles that I wanted to bring here for discussion, but were far too long to post.
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Old 02-20-2007, 02:22 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Edit: I figured out how to use it. No spaces at all in the tag, not even before and after the equals sign.
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Old 02-20-2007, 02:52 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Thanks for compromising, Halx. This will be quite useful.
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Old 02-20-2007, 03:42 PM   #26 (permalink)
 
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ugh.....this is what happens when you get annoyed about something...your writing gets all hazy...

i tried to preface my last post by saying that i think the feature a good thing. and i didnt equate the feature itself with the sniping at host (not just in this thread, btw)---but reading back through it again, i can see that the source of the confusion was my own snippy post. mea culpa, comrades.

to say this another way: i wanted to make two different points.

one about the hide feature, which is fine with me (what basis could i really have to object to it? it will be useful....)

as for the attitude toward host: i stand by what i wrote, but as a separate point. something more about the forum--in the context of which the sniping at host is hardly a new feature.

all this just goes to show--if you get snippy, it's better to take a walk or something than to write then....
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Old 02-20-2007, 06:54 PM   #27 (permalink)
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the thread is what it is, I quote the following for host's benefit because I agree completely:

Quote:
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some of [host's] research is remarkable--unlike anything else i have seen on the web--and it is closer to realtime in some cases than you often find--and if you think moving at that speed is easy, then you haven't tried it.

[...]what host does is really a considerable task and that this place is lucky to have him as part of the community.
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Old 02-20-2007, 07:13 PM   #28 (permalink)
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all this just goes to show--if you get snippy, it's better to take a walk or something than to write then....
Good advice that I wish I did a better job at following.
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Old 02-21-2007, 12:04 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Shall we take a walk Elphaba? I know a great location.


I have been astounded by host's abilities since I first joined this forum. It never ceases to amaze, and provide a plethora of useful information. We are truly lucky to have him as a part of our "family."
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Old 02-21-2007, 04:33 AM   #30 (permalink)
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I usually enjoy Host's stuff .....unfortunately, in the last 15 years, informing the public of government/political info seems to be all about manipulative spinning, bullshitty layering, and even outright lying. It really pisses me off because it is so harmful to our country,and weaselly.
It's helpful (for me ) to have someone making the effort of translating some of this bullshit ....though after skimming through it all, I sometimes end up wondering what the exact point of posting all the articles was. That's probably just me being a regular Joe, sorry.... but I hope that regular Joe's are welcome in this forum.

I do appreciate the bolding of the important info .....but I much prefer to read what a poster is thinking themselves and wanting to communicate, in his/her own words, straight up and to the point. Real Life is always swirling all around me when I'm on the computer, and I don't have often the luxury of lengthy contemplative reading, translating, and inferring. The new feature sounds good.
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Old 02-21-2007, 07:05 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I think we all seem to be in agreement that Host is a valuable asset to the board. I know I would miss him if he ever left.

I am hoping this feature will work for everyone.

The one person we haven't heard from is host.
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Old 02-21-2007, 11:07 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Did anyone notice/mention that if you expand it and then collapse it again the title disappears?
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Old 02-21-2007, 03:06 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Kadath, I'm going to be making the feature a little bit more intuitive and dynamic soon. Right now you're looking at a very quick mashup.
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Old 03-09-2007, 10:01 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Halx, I think it would also be good to make the text when something is hidden appear different then normal quote boxes. Maybe make the table border and/or fonts a different color or something.
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