Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community  

Go Back   Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community > The Academy > Tilted Politics


 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 02-14-2007, 06:39 AM   #1 (permalink)
Apocalypse Nerd
 
Astrocloud's Avatar
 
Don't Insult Our Saudi Masters

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n2240138.shtml
Quote:



Saudi Citizens Funding Iraq Insurgents

Iraqi Officials, U.S. Panel Says Saudis Sending 'Boxes Of Cash' To Sunni Militants

CAIRO, Egypt, Dec. 8, 2006

(AP) Private Saudi citizens are giving millions of dollars to Sunni insurgents in Iraq and much of the money is used to buy weapons, including shoulder fired anti-aircraft missiles, according to key Iraqi officials and others familiar with the flow of cash.

Saudi government officials deny that any money from their country is being sent to Iraqis fighting the government and the U.S.-led coalition.

But the U.S. Iraq Study Group report released Wednesday said Saudis are a source of funding for Sunni Arab insurgents. Several truck drivers interviewed by The Associated Press described carrying boxes of cash from Saudi Arabia into Iraq, money they said was headed for insurgents.

Two high-ranking Iraqi officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the issue's sensitivity, told the AP most of the Saudi money comes from private donations, called zaqat, collected for Islamic causes and charities.

Some Saudis appear to know the money is headed to Iraq's insurgents, but others merely give it to clerics who channel it to anti-coalition forces, the officials said.

In one recent case, an Iraqi official said $25 million (euro18.8 million) in Saudi money went to a top Iraqi Sunni cleric and was used to buy weapons, including Strela, a Russian shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missile. The missiles were purchased from someone in Romania, apparently through the black market, he said.

Overall, the Iraqi officials said, money has been pouring into Iraq from oil-rich Saudi Arabia, a Sunni bastion, since the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq toppled the Sunni-controlled regime of Saddam Hussein in 2003.

Saudi officials vehemently deny their country is a major source of financial support for the insurgents.

"There isn't any organized terror finance, and we will not permit any such unorganized acts," said Brig. Gen. Mansour al-Turki, a spokesman for the Saudi Interior Ministry. About a year ago the Saudi government set up a unit to track any "suspicious financial operations," he said.

But the Iraq Study Group said "funding for the Sunni insurgency comes from private individuals within Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states."

Saudi officials say they cracked down on zakat abuses, under pressure from the United States, after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington.

The Iraqi officials, however, said some funding goes to Iraq's Sunni Arab political leadership, who then disburse it. Other money, they said, is funneled directly to insurgents. The distribution network includes Iraqi truck and bus drivers.

Several drivers interviewed by the AP in Middle East capitals said Saudis have been using religious events, like the hajj pilgrimage to Mecca and a smaller pilgrimage, as cover for illicit money transfers. Some money, they said, is carried into Iraq on buses with returning pilgrims.

"They sent boxes full of dollars and asked me to deliver them to certain addresses in Iraq," said one driver, who gave his name only as Hussein, out of fear of reprisal. "I know it is being sent to the resistance, and if I don't take it with me, they will kill me."

He was told what was in the boxes, he said, to ensure he hid the money from authorities at the border.

The two Iraqi officials would not name specific Iraqi Sunnis who have received money from Saudi Arabia. But Iraq issued an arrest warrant for Harith al-Dhari, a Sunni opponent of the Iraqi government, shortly after he visited Saudi Arabia in October. He was accused of sectarian incitement.

Saudi Arabia is a key U.S. ally in the Middle East. The Iraq Study Group report noted that its government has assisted the U.S. military with intelligence on Iraq.

But Saudi citizens have close tribal ties with Sunni Arabs in Iraq, and sympathize with their brethren in what they see as a fight for political control — and survival — with Iraq's Shiites.

The Saudi government is determined to curb the growing influence of its chief rival in the region, Iran. Tehran is closely linked to Shiite parties that dominate the Iraqi government.

Saudi officials say the kingdom has worked with all sides to reconcile Iraq's warring factions. They have, they point out, held talks in Saudi Arabia with Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, whose militia is accused of killing Sunnis.

These officials say zakat donations are now channeled through supervised bank accounts. Cash donation boxes, once prevalent in supermarkets and shopping malls, have been eliminated.

Still, Iraq's foreign minister expressed concern about the influence of neighboring Sunni states at a recent Arab foreign ministers meeting in Cairo.

"We hope that Saudi Arabia will keep the same distance from each and all Iraqi parties," Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari later told the AP.

Last month, the New York Times reported that a classified U.S. government report said Iraq's Sunni Arab insurgency had become self-sufficient financially, raising millions from oil smuggling, kidnapping and Islamic charities. The report did not say whether any money came from Saudi Arabia.

Allegations the insurgents have purchased shoulder-fired Strela missiles raise concerns that they are obtaining increasingly sophisticated weapons.

On Nov. 27, a U.S. Air Force F-16 jet crashed while flying in support of American soldiers fighting Anbar province, a Sunni insurgent hotbed. The U.S. military said it had no information about the cause of the crash. Gen. William Caldwell, a U.S. military spokesman, said he would be surprised if the jet was shot down because F-16's have not encountered weapons capable of taking them down in Iraq.

But last week, a spokesman for Saddam's ousted Baath party claimed that fighters armed with a Strela missile had shot down the jet.

"We have stockpiles of Strelas and we are going to surprise them (the Americans)," Khudair al-Murshidi, the spokesman told the AP in Damascus, Syria. He would not say how the Strelas were obtained.

Saddam's army had Strelas; it is not known how many survived the 2003 war. The Strela is a shoulder-fired, low-altitude system with a passive infrared guidance system.

The issue of Saudi funding for the insurgency could gain new prominence as the Bush administration reviews its Iraq policy, especially if it seeks to engage Iran and Syria in peace efforts.

Bush's national security adviser, Stephen Hadley, wrote in a recent leaked memo that Washington should "step up efforts to get Saudi Arabia to take a leadership role in supporting Iraq, by using its influence to move Sunni populations out of violence into politics."

Last week, a Saudi who headed a security consulting group close to the Saudi government, Nawaf Obaid, wrote in the Washington Post that Saudi Arabia would use money, oil and support for Sunnis to thwart Iranian efforts to dominate Iraq if American troops pulled out. The Saudi government denied the report and fired Obaid.

Because The Saudi's and the Bush's go way back, there will NEVER be any admission from this Whitehouse that the Saudi's are involved in the insurgency. INSTEAD, we will continue to see belicose language against Syria and Iran.

In the meanwhile, our boys there are BIG FAT TARGETS for these suicidal nutjobs. What is the point, if we can't cut off the funding for fear of insulting our Saudi "Superiors". They own us. They bought the presidency and our government works for their government.
Astrocloud is offline  
Old 02-14-2007, 07:58 AM   #2 (permalink)
Banned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Astrocloud
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n2240138.shtml



Because The Saudi's and the Bush's go way back, there will NEVER be any admission from this Whitehouse that the Saudi's are involved in the insurgency. INSTEAD, we will continue to see belicose language against Syria and Iran.

In the meanwhile, our boys there are BIG FAT TARGETS for these suicidal nutjobs. What is the point, if we can't cut off the funding for fear of insulting our Saudi "Superiors". They own us. They bought the presidency and our government works for their government.
Sunni Saudis attempting to fill the power vacuum that was created when the sunni "check" on kurdish, shi'a, and Iranian ambitions was removed with the fall of Saddam, are of far less consequence to "our troops", IMO, than the avoidance of debate and oversight of the Iraq war, by our own representatives in congress. Isn't it long overdue for them to represent us, the voters, and "our troops", by excercising the oversight responsibilities, instead of deliberately shifting deliberations away from where we are in Iraq, and where were likely to be going?

Quote:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/...vative-letter/
.....But a leaked letter obtained today by Majority Leader Steny Hoyer’s (D-MD) office reveals that conservatives have formulated a strategy to avoid talking about the central question of the debate.

In the letter, leading conservative Reps. John Shadegg (R-AZ) and Peter Hoekstra (R-MI) inform their allies:



http://majorityleader.house.gov/docU...rColleague.pdf
<center>Their Terms or Ours?<br>
February 13, 2007
</center>

....... We are writing to urge you not to debate the Democratic Iraq resolution on their terms, but rather on ours.

Democrats want to force us to focus on defending the surge, making the case that it will work and explaining why the President's new Iraq policy is different from prior efforts and therefore justified.

We urge you to instead broaden the debate to the threat posed to Americans, the world, and all "unbelievers" by radical Islamists. We would further urge you to join us in educating the American people about the views of radical Islamists and the consequences of not defeating radical Islam in Iraq.

The debate should not be about the surge or its details. <b>This debate should not even be about the Iraq war to date, mistakes that have been made, or whether we can, or cannot, win militarily. If we let Democrats force us into a debate on the surge or the current situation in Iraq, we lose........</b>
Quote:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ng-the-debate/

.....In response to the Shadegg-Hoekstra letter, Mr. Emanuel, chairman of the House Democratic caucus issued this statement:

<b>We all lose when we avoid discussing the war in Iraq.</b> For four years, Republicans failed to conduct any oversight of the war, choosing instead to turn a blind eye and hand the President a blank check on Iraq. <b>Now, Republicans want to do anything but debate Iraq or this new policy of escalation.</b> This is not about whether Democrats or Republicans win or lose. This is about the additional 21,500 American troops who will be sent to Iraq to implement a failed strategy and police a civil war........
<b>Observe the "strategy in action", today, on the house floor. Avoid debating the merits of keeeping current and addtional US troops in harm's way....change the subject to the tireless propaganda rant of "fear politics" that was used to get the US into the quagmire in Iraq, in the first place:</b>

Quote:
http://www.mlive.com/news/grpress/in...710.xml&coll=6
More From The Grand Rapids Press
Hoekstra to House: It's not just about Iraq
Wednesday, February 14, 2007

Reps. Peter Hoekstra, of Holland, and John Shadegg, of Arizona, are rallying House Republicans against a resolution opposing President Bush's plan for more U.S. troops in Iraq. <b>"If we let Democrats force us into a debate on the surge or the current situation in Iraq, we lose," </b>they wrote to GOP colleagues.....

.....What is the threat and how should America respond -- that is the debate we should be having on this floor. This resolution is all about staying the course. It says support our troops and don't engage in new tactics, just keep going down the same path. That's not good enough.

There are people who hate us enough to want to kill. They speak of militant Islam's hate for America, a hate that extends to others, including Muslims. These militant Islamists kill, they kill violently and indiscriminately. But this resolution is silent on the threat that we face as a nation, and it is silent in how we should respond.

Who are these radical Islamists? And what should America's response to this threat be? We face this on a global basis. What is America's response to jihadism? How will America win this war against this calculating enemy? How will America lead the world once again in the face of such a ruthless threat?

The resolution that we're debating today simply asks do you support America's fighting men and women and do you support or oppose a tactic in a battle that is only one front in the war with these militant jihadists who are bent on the destruction of the infidel America and others around the world.

Let me say to my colleagues that I don't believe I'm wrong in saying that this debate is really about whether or not America is a great nation that leads in the face of difficulty. Nor do I believe that I'm wrong to question what actually happens when this debate and vote are over. Have we really helped the American people understand the threat? What message do we send to our troops in harm's way? What is it that the American public needs to understand so that it can better understand the challenges we face? My own answer, Mr. Speaker, was that we need to understand the consequences of failure, <b>and we need to fully understand the nature of the threat that is posed now and, moreover in the future if we fail in the larger war against militant Islam. ........</b>
host is offline  
 

Tags
insult, masters, saudi


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:00 AM.

Tilted Forum Project

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
© 2002-2012 Tilted Forum Project

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360