01-11-2007, 04:22 PM | #1 (permalink) | |
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State Solutions to Healthcare
I wanted to share the following article regarding the new healthcare plan in California, as well as similar efforts in Massachusetts and elsewhere.
http://www.economist.com/PrinterFrie...ory_id=8522104 Quote:
a) the level of assistance provided by the state to the lowest-income families significantly increases the quality of their access to healthcare b) the program succeeds in bringing insurance costs down as a whole The second is kind of a fundamental issue, while the first could be achieved just by jiggering with the numbers a bit, so long as it's fiscally feasible. What are your thoughts on the plan? How does it stack up against healthcare schemes in other countries? And would you like to see a similar program either in your own state, or at the federal level? I'm hoping those of you with a stronger background in economics and public policy than mine will have some insights into this. |
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01-13-2007, 03:55 PM | #2 (permalink) |
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Location: Moscow on the Ohio
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I can see where states like Massachushetts will have an easier time with this due to the lower number of uninsured. Also I wonder if illegal immigrants will be required to get insurance and/or have it subsidized by the state?
Many people complain about the rates and practces of health insurance companies and yet most of these plans make them the focal point of the coverage. It seems like there would be some savings in getting them out of the loop. I don't think healthcare costs will become reasonably priced until there is more competition in the industry and that seems to be highly unlikely as long as there are groups lobbying (and paying) both parties to keep things as they are. If a way is not found to make healthcare more competitive then the government should probably just step in and provide it like national defense. |
01-14-2007, 03:40 AM | #4 (permalink) |
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Location: The Netherlands
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In the Netherlands we have (near-)universal healthcare, with compulsory insurance. The government sets the minimum coverage, the market decides the fee. The current monthly fee is around 90 Euros a month for the basic package. People can get additional coverage (non-essentials such as dental care, glasses, physical therapy, etc), for an extra X euros a month.
This system has led to a mild increase in competition between the insurance companies. The basic price is pretty similar for all companies, so it's not perfect. But that was to be expected, given the basic package. There's more competition with the extra coverage plans, and additional service. Because of my work in various hospitals, I know that there are some problems with illegal immigrants. They must get treatment, but can't get insurance. Some hospitals introduced a cash payment system for these people (apart from the ER, of course). FYI, people generally aren't too happy with the new system. Before it was introduced two years ago, "poor" people would pay much less, while "rich" people would pay more. OTOH, these days, the poor get compensation, while the rich don't. For me, the price has gone up quite a bit (40 to 100 euros). I don't get compensation, because I make quite a lot more money than I did two years ago. I can't complain. Oh, and ASU2003: no, the fee doesn't cover medical insurance. Doctors and hospitals make more than enough money to pay for that. Also, we don't have too many malpractice lawsuits and payments. IMO, that's mainly an American problem. Last edited by Dragonlich; 01-14-2007 at 03:45 AM.. |
01-15-2007, 06:56 AM | #5 (permalink) | |
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I think that the car insurance analogy is very appropriate, but I think that I should also point out that there are a lot of people who either let their car insurance lapse or never buy it in the first place. I wonder how the system is going to deal with similar circumstances.
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01-15-2007, 12:47 PM | #6 (permalink) | |
42, baby!
Location: The Netherlands
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Actually, over here, car insurance is mandatory too if you own a car... Last edited by Dragonlich; 01-15-2007 at 12:49 PM.. |
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01-15-2007, 02:06 PM | #7 (permalink) | |
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Location: Ventura County
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Everyone has access to healthcare in California but the current system is broken and is costing the State billions of dollars per year, employers are spending billions, individuals are spending billions and the federal government is spending billions. There are also hidden costs of people avoiding medical care because of the costs or lack of insurance. The first thought I have is how can you best reduce the costs and improve access to healthcare and improve quality. Forcing everyone to have health insurance helps spread the costs over more people, but by itself does not reduce the costs. If everyone has health insurance perhaps the demand for emergency room services with drop. Assuming emergency room visits are the most costly form of healthcare, we should see a reduction in costs. And assuming people use healthcare plans for preventative treatment we should also see a cost reduction because of that as well. However, if there is not an increase in the supply of healthcare services with the expected increase in healthcare demand with everyone having coverage, you will see increased costs or access will decrease, or the quality of care will decrease. The problem with the California plan is that it does not address the supply of health care part of the equation. If the people wanting to regularly see a treating doctor increases by a factor of lets say 5, the system can't handle it. The AMA has worked very hard over the years to control the supply of doctors. California ( or the Federal Gov), has to address this issue. Perhaps nurses and others be allowed to do more. Perhaps we do more to increase the number of doctors. Increasing taxes on doctors and hospitals is not going to ecourage more to set up shop. If I were a doctor and could make $250K per year in California or make $250K in Arizona all other things being equal the 2% tax might make me setup shop in Arizona. the same logic applies to hopitals and employers. My hat is off to The Govenator for trying, hopefully they have an answer to the concern I point out.
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