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Old 11-16-2006, 04:43 PM   #41 (permalink)
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What will the Democrats define as "rich" now that they have power? They desire to raise taxes on the rich, but how will they define it? 150,000 for married coups? 80,000 for single?

Based on net worth, the top 1% would have to be millionaires. There are 3 million people worth over 1 million in this country. They usually have families and such, so there are a few more people who might be in that 1% by association.

The democratic congressman in my district (who lost) had a plan to tax people based on their net worth. It would make it harder to accumulate tons of wealth, but easier to get to a high level of wealth.
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Old 11-16-2006, 06:58 PM   #42 (permalink)
 
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like I said, spend less. keep the tax rates about here, but spend less.
Sweet, I'd be the first to see us spend a hell of a lot less on 1) defense, and 2) Israel. Any takers? **

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Old 11-16-2006, 07:16 PM   #43 (permalink)
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What will the Democrats define as "rich" now that they have power? They desire to raise taxes on the rich, but how will they define it? 150,000 for married coups? 80,000 for single?
Nobody knows for sure. I guess we'll wait and find out.

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The costs of maintaining a stable society should, thus, be charged based not off income, but rather off wealth. The wealth whose ownership the society is enforcing.
Wealth as defined by what? Total networth?


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Sweet, I'd be the first to see us spend a hell of a lot less on 1) defense, and 2) Israel. Any takers? **

**Yes, I am being deliberately snarky, couldn't help it...
Wonderful post

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Old 11-16-2006, 07:51 PM   #44 (permalink)
 
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Wonderful post
Yeah, I recognized and admitted that in my post. Having a shitty night in general, chalk it up to that.
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Old 11-16-2006, 09:22 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Wealth as defined by what? Total networth?
I personally would avoid "net". Just use "total worth" -- it might be far too easy to hide assets with fake debt.

Then again, if you tax the person who owns that debt, I suppose the hiding won't be very successful.

"Your net taxable wealth is the sum of your assets (determined by market price), minus the sum of your net taxable debt. Taxable debt is any debt that the person holding it counts as taxable wealth."

Or something like that.

Ideally you would want to charge for each asset "once", and you would want to charge for both assets owned by citizens, and assets owned by non-citizens residing here.

You could place the wealth taxation within corperations, and make equity in the corperations tax-free (because their assets have already been accounted for). Possibly an corperate minimium tax (based off a corperation's market value) to detect fancy-pants hiding of assets (people think the corp. is worth 1 billion dollars, but it only has 100 million in taxable assets...).

Tricky stuff.

Note that this doesn't have to be a change in tax rates -- it can be a movement of taxation instead (from income to wealth).
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Old 11-17-2006, 06:22 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Can anyone find some decent stats on the distribution of wealth?

I tried, but most of the links I'm searching for are coming up stale.

Data like:
How much wealth is owned by Americans?
How is that wealth distributed? (Top 0.1%, 1%, 5%, 10%, 25%, 50%, bottom 20%).

Ideally both Net value and Gross value (ie, ignoring debt).
same place you got the income data:
US Census.

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/wealt...00_tables.html
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Old 11-17-2006, 07:21 AM   #47 (permalink)
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The rich keep getting richer, the poor keep getting poorer, and the middle class is disappearing. Now I understand this problem, because it's pretty well spelled out on the evening news relatively frequently. I'm not an economist, I tend to get a headache when I reconcile my checkbook at the end of the month, but I do have a question.

Doesn't it seem likely that the trend of rich people getting even richer and poor people getting even more poor could have something to do with the increased number of companies that are outscourcing their work? I mean doesn't it seem likely that the fact that I have difficulty calling customer service for ANY company and speaking to someone whose native language happens to be English might have something to do with this? Isn't that situation designed right from the beginning to save the rich people a LOT of money in salaries and benifits, while also insuring that there are fewer jobs for American people? and woulnd't that have a pretty big impact on all those numbers and graphs in the previous posts.

Again I don't know what I'm talking about. Please don't be offended if my question shows a total lack of understanding and education on the subject matter, I'm curious, but totally ignorant.
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