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Isaiah538 · 11-01-2006, 12:11 AM

I looked for a thread that was about what I wanted to say but, couldn't find one. Hope you don't mind me jumping right in. This is my first tilted post. Should I use all tilted italics?

In March of 2005 Charles Duelfer added an Addendum to his final report on Iraqs WMD. Please notice the use of the word 'evidence' by Duelfer...

After saying Syria had already been "involved in transactions and shipments of military and other material to Iraq incontravention of the UN sanctions.", Duelfer says, "There was evidence of possible WMD collaboration initiated by a Syrian security officer, and ISG recieved information about movement of material out of Iraq, including the possibility that WMD was involved. In the judgement of the working group these reports were sufficently credible to merit further investigation."

After pointing out that no one has admitted to this in interviews, he says...

"Nevertheless given the insular and compartmented nature of the Regime, ISG believed there was enough evidence to merit further investigation." To date unfortunately, they could not complete it due to violence. ( Duelfer's Addendum to the Comprehensive Report, March, 2005. See CIA website)

Did you also notice how he said "and ISG recieved information..."? So there were TWO SOURCES of WMD movement.

Certainly this at the very least gives reasonable doubt to the assertion that there were no WMD. Why is that so hard to give up? Shouldn't we set aside partisanship on such an important matter of national security and reputation?

And does this not vindicate the Clinton administration who said WMD were there in 1998?

(We left the "stockpiles" alone in Operation Desert Fox so as not to cause mass collateral casualties, though we did hit eleven "WMD industry and production" targets, and killed 1600 Iraqis as well, in December of 1998. See Wikipedia on Operation Desert Fox.)

host · 11-01-2006, 02:20 AM

Welcome to the forum, but....uhhhh....Clinton is not going to "get off the hook", this easy....

Quote:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_...04/addenda.pdf
Comprehensive Report
Addendums to the
of the Special Advisor to the DCI on
Iraq’s WMD

March 2005
Prewar Movement of WMD
Material Out of Iraq (page 4)

ISG was unable to complete its investigation and
is unable to rule out the possibility that WMD was
evacuated to Syria before the war. It should be
noted that no information from debriefi ng of Iraqis
in custody supports this possibility. ISG found no
senior policy, program, or intelligence officials who
admitted any direct knowledge of such movement of
WMD. Indeed, they uniformly denied any knowledge
of residual WMD that could have been secreted to
Syria.....

.......It is worth noting that even if ISG had been able to
fully examine all the leads it possessed, it is unlikely
that conclusive information would have been found.

Quote:

http://www.cbc.ca/insite/WORLD_REPOR...2005/4/26.html
April 26, 2005

In international news.....

The CIA agent in charge of searching for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq has concluded his work. Charles Duelfer says the search has been exhausted without finding any weapons. Nor did he find any evidence that weapons were shipped from Iraq to Syria to be hidden before the U.S.-led invasion.

Quote:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188665,00.html
FOXNEWS.COM HOME > U.S. & WORLD
Transcripts Show Saddam Frustrated Over WMD Claims
Wednesday, March 22, 2006

....Scores of Iraqi documents, seized after the 2003 invasion, are being released at the request of the U.S. House Intelligence Committee chairman, Rep. Peter Hoekstra, who has <b>suggested that evidence might turn up that the Iraqis hid their weapons or sent them to neighboring Syria. No such evidence has emerged...</b>

Isaiah538 · 11-03-2006, 03:46 AM

There's more to Iraq's concealment of WMD. Especially notice the IIS labs that were discovered. What does that do to the mobile labs arguement if we did find other ones anyway?

This is from the Duelfer's Final Comprehensive Report. It's under the Biological Warfare section, unresolved issues...

ISG = Iraqi Survey Group
UNSCRs = United Nations Security Council Resolutions
OIF = Operation Iraqi Freedom
BW = Biological Warfare
IIS = Iraqi Intelligence Service

"ISG judges that Iraq failed to comply with UNSCRs up to OIF by failing to disclose accurate production totals for B. anthracis and probably other BW agents and for not providing the true details of its alleged 1991 disposal of stocks of bulk BW agent.

Officials within the BW program knowingly continued this deception right up to OIF and beyond, only revealing some details well after the conflict."

"ISG cannot determine the fate of Iraq’s stocks of bulk BW agents remaining after Desert Storm and subsequent unilateral destruction. There is a very limited chance that continuing investigation may provide evidence to resolve this issue.

The fate of the missing bulk agent storage tanks.

The fate of a portion of Iraq’s BW agent seed-stocks.

The nature, purpose and who was involved in the secret biological work in the small IIS laboratories discovered by ISG.

Through an investigation of the history of Iraq’s bulk BW agent stocks, it has become evident to ISG that officials were involved in concealment and deception activities."

Of course there's more than this BW section on Iraq's concealment of WMD. I suggest reading the entire report.

Here's the link to the section of Duelfer's Final report on Iraq's Biological Weapons, at the CIA website.

6: Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the DCI on Iraq´s WMD
chap6.html, Search in: Entire Site
File size: 250K, Create Date: Nov-30-2004 12:01
https://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq...004/chap6.html

11-01-2006, 12:11 AM	#1 (permalink)
Isaiah538 Upright	WMD Movement "Evidence" from Duelfer I looked for a thread that was about what I wanted to say but, couldn't find one. Hope you don't mind me jumping right in. This is my first tilted post. Should I use all tilted italics? In March of 2005 Charles Duelfer added an Addendum to his final report on Iraqs WMD. Please notice the use of the word 'evidence' by Duelfer... After saying Syria had already been "involved in transactions and shipments of military and other material to Iraq incontravention of the UN sanctions.", Duelfer says, "There was evidence of possible WMD collaboration initiated by a Syrian security officer, and ISG recieved information about movement of material out of Iraq, including the possibility that WMD was involved. In the judgement of the working group these reports were sufficently credible to merit further investigation." After pointing out that no one has admitted to this in interviews, he says... "Nevertheless given the insular and compartmented nature of the Regime, ISG believed there was enough evidence to merit further investigation." To date unfortunately, they could not complete it due to violence. ( Duelfer's Addendum to the Comprehensive Report, March, 2005. See CIA website) Did you also notice how he said "and ISG recieved information..."? So there were TWO SOURCES of WMD movement. Certainly this at the very least gives reasonable doubt to the assertion that there were no WMD. Why is that so hard to give up? Shouldn't we set aside partisanship on such an important matter of national security and reputation? And does this not vindicate the Clinton administration who said WMD were there in 1998? (We left the "stockpiles" alone in Operation Desert Fox so as not to cause mass collateral casualties, though we did hit eleven "WMD industry and production" targets, and killed 1600 Iraqis as well, in December of 1998. See Wikipedia on Operation Desert Fox.)

11-03-2006, 03:46 AM	#3 (permalink)
Isaiah538 Upright	There's more to Iraq's concealment of WMD. Especially notice the IIS labs that were discovered. What does that do to the mobile labs arguement if we did find other ones anyway? This is from the Duelfer's Final Comprehensive Report. It's under the Biological Warfare section, unresolved issues... ISG = Iraqi Survey Group UNSCRs = United Nations Security Council Resolutions OIF = Operation Iraqi Freedom BW = Biological Warfare IIS = Iraqi Intelligence Service "ISG judges that Iraq failed to comply with UNSCRs up to OIF by failing to disclose accurate production totals for B. anthracis and probably other BW agents and for not providing the true details of its alleged 1991 disposal of stocks of bulk BW agent. Officials within the BW program knowingly continued this deception right up to OIF and beyond, only revealing some details well after the conflict." "ISG cannot determine the fate of Iraq’s stocks of bulk BW agents remaining after Desert Storm and subsequent unilateral destruction. There is a very limited chance that continuing investigation may provide evidence to resolve this issue. The fate of the missing bulk agent storage tanks. The fate of a portion of Iraq’s BW agent seed-stocks. The nature, purpose and who was involved in the secret biological work in the small IIS laboratories discovered by ISG. Through an investigation of the history of Iraq’s bulk BW agent stocks, it has become evident to ISG that officials were involved in concealment and deception activities." Of course there's more than this BW section on Iraq's concealment of WMD. I suggest reading the entire report. Here's the link to the section of Duelfer's Final report on Iraq's Biological Weapons, at the CIA website. 6: Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the DCI on Iraq´s WMD chap6.html, Search in: Entire Site File size: 250K, Create Date: Nov-30-2004 12:01 https://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq...004/chap6.html Last edited by Isaiah538; 11-03-2006 at 03:51 AM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost