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Bittertalker · 09-18-2006, 12:32 PM

I found another article about this movie, this time from the good folks at Time magazine in partnership with CNN.

Who Killed George Bush? A controversial fake documentary gets its world premiere in Toronto

Elphaba · 09-18-2006, 02:12 PM

Nice find, Bittertalker. There is the spoiler of "who dunnit" at the end of the article in case anyone doesn't want to know.

docbungle · 09-18-2006, 07:07 PM

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I have to wonder if film makers will have the balls to make a movie showing the face of modern Islam...

These fine young men are protesting the pope quoting a long dead emperor. I wonder if they know they are proving the dead mans point with their reactions?

More interestingly its ok for film makers to say, assinate a current US president and turn it political, but lets not be insensative to the culture causing all the drama lately. You would swear they would cut your head off or something for calling them into question.

The enemies of western civilization are on the march again, and yet it is best to fight amoungst ourselves, and feel guilty over what we have achieved.

A film maker can make a film about absolutely anything at all. Those are the rules. Content is irrelevant. It is either a film you enjoy or a film you do not enjoy.

Wasn't this exact same arguement just floated around regarding the ABC miniseries (the one Clinton was supposed to have deemed unfair) before it had even aired? And what side of the discussion were you on regarding that?

Elphaba · 09-18-2006, 07:29 PM

U2, perhaps you should view the spoiler. The most likely assassin in terms of history proved to be the Killer in this movie.

The Pope's statement was reprehensible to anyone, not just Islam.

matthew330 · 09-18-2006, 09:49 PM

.....and what do you think about the Islamic reaction to the popes statement Elphaba?

Elphaba · 09-19-2006, 11:20 AM

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.....and what do you think about the Islamic reaction to the popes statement Elphaba?

It was criminal as measured by my Western judgement and highly predictable given the reaction to the Danish cartoons. That is why I criticize the pope's judgement.

I apologize for perpetuating this threadjack.

Ustwo · 09-19-2006, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by docbungle

A film maker can make a film about absolutely anything at all. Those are the rules. Content is irrelevant. It is either a film you enjoy or a film you do not enjoy.

Wasn't this exact same arguement just floated around regarding the ABC miniseries (the one Clinton was supposed to have deemed unfair) before it had even aired? And what side of the discussion were you on regarding that?

I think I wasn't clear on my point.

The issue is that while we argue about whatever, left vrs right, socialism vrs capitalism, etc, we have a storm that has been coming since 500 AD just over the horizon.

So we have a film that takes a leftist stance, shows the assassination of a SITTING US president, makes up its own twisted false historical visions, yet they would be terrified to make a film showing whats going on for real with Islamic extremists lest they offend them.

Honestly I don't understand how the left is so blind to it all, but then again they don't understand basic human nature to start with as is evident by embracing socialism, so I can see where they would fail here too.

We need this dealt with now, not after China catches up and Europe gets even older and weaker militarily. After the bloodiest century on record, I would hope that the left would come to understand that wars haven't gone away because they are inconvenient and nasty.

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Originally Posted by Elphaba

It was criminal as measured by my Western judgement and highly predictable given the reaction to the Danish cartoons. That is why I criticize the pope's judgement.

I apologize for perpetuating this threadjack.

Do you blame the victim in rape too?

Willravel · 09-19-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

The issue is that while we argue about whatever, left vrs right, socialism vrs capitalism, etc, we have a storm that has been coming since 500 AD just over the horizon.

What?

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

So we have a film that takes a leftist stance, shows the assassination of a SITTING US president, makes up its own twisted false historical visions, yet they would be terrified to make a film showing whats going on for real with Islamic extremists lest they offend them.

Futurism isn't false until the future has already passed. Watch Paradise Now if you want to see a gripping, brillient movie about Islamic suicide bombers. It is tremendously realistic. BTW, Paradise Now had a wider opening than Death of a President.

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

Honestly I don't understand how the left is so blind to it all, but then again they don't understand basic human nature to start with as is evident by embracing socialism, so I can see where they would fail here too.

Anarchy is human nature, but I don't see you embracing that. Does that mean that you also don't understand simple human nature?

Ustwo, enlighten me, what am I blind to?

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

We need this dealt with now, not after China catches up and Europe gets even older and weaker militarily. After the bloodiest century on record, I would hope that the left would come to understand that wars haven't gone away because they are inconvenient and nasty.

We need to deal with dramatic poltical movies before China becomes too powerful? I'm afraid you've lost both me and the rest of the thread.

Ustwo · 09-19-2006, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel

What?

You don't think the muslims gave up after being beaten in Spain and stalled in Hungry do you?

You should ask them, the world is going to be a Islamic world.

Willravel · 09-19-2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

You don't think the muslims gave up after being beaten in Spain and stalled in Hungry do you?

You should ask them, the world is going to be a Islamic world.

Actually I remember reading that athism is growing pretty rapidly. Man, that would make for some boring jihads.

Elphaba · 09-19-2006, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Elphaba
It was criminal as measured by my Western judgement and highly predictable given the reaction to the Danish cartoons. That is why I criticize the pope's judgement.

I apologize for perpetuating this threadjack.

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Do you blame the victim in rape too?

What on earth are you talking about? I say that I find the violence to be criminal and this is your response?

Try reading for comprehension before going into attack mode.

Bittertalker · 02-18-2007, 03:41 AM

According to Amazon.com this title will be released on April 3, 2007. I'm looking forward to the release, because I was unable to see it in theatres. I think the release on DVD will bring the controversy back into the spotlight, if only slightly.

fitzneal · 02-18-2007, 05:35 AM

Its been shown here,the UK (twice) in the last year,on terrestrial TV.

Its a very ordinary 'What if' type job,made essentially by some twat studio executive to raise the hackles of those in the anti-bush faction,and those in the pro camp.

A similar TV film;and far better I might add; was made about Tony B-liar which goes along with the premise that the man gets accused of war crimes and is sentenced at the Hague!

Bush can't be tried because the US refuses to recognise the court,so B-liar takes the rap for the whole war thang - Now that was hilarious I can tell you.Coupled with the lead being taken by a rather excellent actor called Robert Linsay it all made for an entertaining hour of telly.

But that was just what is was - a TV entertainment,same as the chan4 offering.If people cannot distinguish between media and reality - then oh dear O dear

Willravel · 02-18-2007, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by fitzneal

A similar TV film;and far better I might add; was made about Tony B-liar which goes along with the premise that the man gets accused of war crimes and is sentenced at the Hague!

What is this called? I'd like to see it.

ASU2003 · 02-18-2007, 10:19 AM

I'm surprised it isn't on youtube. I haven't checked bittorrent yet.

I'll try out the new bbcode with the trailer.

smooth · 02-18-2007, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by lindalove

I don't know what to think of it. On the one hand, I'm all about creativity, storytelling as a way to examine issues, freedom of speech, etc., but on the other hand... My knee jerk reaction is that it's just not right- a story about the death of someone real who's alive. I'm not sure whether that reaction is based in logic though, or if it's just visceral.

ETA: Just out of curiosity, why would Bush attend an anti-war rally? That almost sounds satirical. It would make the film less believable, I guess, detracting from the assumed inappropriateness of assasinating a sitting prez.

I agree. I thought there was a long-standing tradition in our domestic film production to not show sitting presidents in situations like this. I know this isn't a hollywood film, but it seems disrespectful at the least. I don't think we've gone around showing British leaders being assassinated, out of the same respect given to our leaders by our media. I haven't watched 24, does the series regularly assassinate US presidents? That's surprising to me.

Regardless, fictional characters are much less abrasive to my senses than assassinating a real, living, and sitting president.

Astrocloud · 02-18-2007, 05:26 PM

For anyone who is against the rights of this Canadian (note "Canadian not "far left -which is retarded) Company to make a fictional movie about the assassination of "a sitting President" Flashback to 1995:

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For the listeners to Liddy's 250 stations, appeals for the election of Republican candidates were sandwiched between frequent depictions of the Clinton administration as an evil that needed to be resisted with deadly force. That may explain why Liddy was invited to be the guest of honor at the Republican Party's "Salute to Talk Radio."

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1313

Um, seems that when a "right wing" nutjob is in the whitehouse -a fictional suggestion is off limits. However, when a Moderate Centrist is in the whitehouse it's okay to make all sorts of NONFICTIONAL ie serious suggestions to assassinate him.

09-18-2006, 12:32 PM	#41 (permalink)
Bittertalker Upright Location: Massachusetts.	I found another article about this movie, this time from the good folks at Time magazine in partnership with CNN. Who Killed George Bush? A controversial fake documentary gets its world premiere in Toronto

09-18-2006, 02:12 PM	#42 (permalink)
Elphaba Deja Moo Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA	Nice find, Bittertalker. There is the spoiler of "who dunnit" at the end of the article in case anyone doesn't want to know.

09-18-2006, 07:29 PM	#44 (permalink)
Elphaba Deja Moo Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA	U2, perhaps you should view the spoiler. The most likely assassin in terms of history proved to be the Killer in this movie. The Pope's statement was reprehensible to anyone, not just Islam.

09-18-2006, 09:49 PM	#45 (permalink)
matthew330 Banned	.....and what do you think about the Islamic reaction to the popes statement Elphaba?

02-18-2007, 03:41 AM	#52 (permalink)
Bittertalker Upright Location: Massachusetts.	According to Amazon.com this title will be released on April 3, 2007. I'm looking forward to the release, because I was unable to see it in theatres. I think the release on DVD will bring the controversy back into the spotlight, if only slightly.

02-18-2007, 05:35 AM	#53 (permalink)
fitzneal Upright Location: Falmouth	Its been shown here,the UK (twice) in the last year,on terrestrial TV. Its a very ordinary 'What if' type job,made essentially by some twat studio executive to raise the hackles of those in the anti-bush faction,and those in the pro camp. A similar TV film;and far better I might add; was made about Tony B-liar which goes along with the premise that the man gets accused of war crimes and is sentenced at the Hague! Bush can't be tried because the US refuses to recognise the court,so B-liar takes the rap for the whole war thang - Now that was hilarious I can tell you.Coupled with the lead being taken by a rather excellent actor called Robert Linsay it all made for an entertaining hour of telly. But that was just what is was - a TV entertainment,same as the chan4 offering.If people cannot distinguish between media and reality - then oh dear O dear

02-18-2007, 10:19 AM	#55 (permalink)
ASU2003 immoral minority Location: Back in Ohio	I'm surprised it isn't on youtube. I haven't checked bittorrent yet. I'll try out the new bbcode with the trailer.