Let the Riots Begin...uh....not
 

Interesting that this is barely even news....though I suppose its a good thing Jews do not like to have a tissy over cartoons.


"Last Updated: Tuesday, 15 August 2006, 17:50 GMT 18:50 UK

Iran displays Holocaust cartoons
The cartoon shows the letter L in Israel formed by a boot stepping on the world
The drawings were chosen from entries in a competition
More than 200 Holocaust cartoons from around the world are on display at a museum in the Iranian capital, Tehran.

Organisers of the exhibition say they are testing the West's commitment to freedom of speech. "

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/4795709.stm

Why is freedom of speech being tested by people who want to see it eliminated?

Sometimes I wonder where all the adults in the world went. When I was a boy, I remember looking up to my parents as superhero-esque figures that were the very model of adulthood. As I matured, I realized that they were just like me, trying to make their way in the world. Big kids. Now I'm starting to wonder if ANYONE is really an adult. What kind of infantile person does it take to hold a competition to find racist cartoons about the holocaust as a response to racist cartoons about Islamic suicide bombers?! How old are these people, 6? 7, maybe?

It's all seems a bit too silly to be real, doesn't it?

Seems fair to me, what they are doing with these cartoons. Childish, and without taste, but fair.

I did a Google Image search earlier today and found about a dozen images, all as lame as the Danish cartoons.

What was interesting was the SEO effort to keep those cartoons from being found first...

I guess this beats burning flags, firing guns, and the like. Why "cartoons" are taken this seriously is something I can't fathom.

From what I remember, those Danish cartoons didn't cause much fuss for a long time either. They were only pilloried months later by those eager to fan the flames of conflict.

I'm constantly amazed at the effort people put into blinding themselves to any point of view but their own, and the goofy shit they pull to maintain their world-view. I mean, for instance, not to see Hezbullah's side of the recent conflict takes actual concerted effort. I'm not condoning random civilian-targetted rocket fire, but to just say, "Well, they're the bad guys"... I mean, that can only be deliberate ignorance.

Nope, I'm afraid only adults have the myopic obssessive tendencies necessary to spend the last 6 months or so putting together a stupid cartoon contest and exhibition solely intended to poo-poo in the face of a country that had nothing to do with the stupid cartoons that started all this hysteria in the first place. Kids would have forgotten about it and gone on to build a fort or something months ago....

Maybe displaying their racism via cartoons puts them in a child-like state of reponse.

Couldn't agree more. One of the bold characteristics that separates adults from children is their ability to hold grudges for an absurd amount of time.
Most of the time the end product of things like these cartoons end up being much worse than the original problem.

Not many people wake up thinking, 'gee what evil can I do today'.

I know people who still give the old 'Hitler did good things too' line. One is a very nice guy who had a Grandfather in the Waffen SS and another relative who was on trial for warcrimes after WWII. Every conflict has two sides, and there is almost always something good you can find in your enemy, but that doesn't mean that you should support them or remain neutral.

Its a mental check list.

They build schools -good
The school teach the children to hate the jews - bad
They build hospitals - good
They put arms and military bunkers inside to either prevent attack or exploit the civilian casualties if they are attacked - bad
They want to destroy isreal - ok well bad

To me Hezzbolah isn't 'the bad guys' because someone told me they were. Hezzbolah are the bad guys because they do a lot of bad things, like teaching a generation to hate and murder based on religion.

Oh and yea there is that whole 'random civilian rocket fire' thing too, you seem to weakly dismiss.

Sometimes in life its important to grow a backbone and pick a side, not waffle around trying to find the evil in good and the good in evil.

It is dangerous to walk a mile or two in the other fellow's mocassins. It is easier to "pick a side", and simply demonize the opposition. Black and white.

If you do allow yourself to ponder "the problem", all of the arguments that justify Israel's rights to "biblical (ancestral) lands", also justify the rights of native Americans to pursue the similar goals, and to the Palestinians, as well.
Isn't the US Government of our great great grandfathers, and the states of Georgia and Illinois, and Thomas Jefferon, in !802, the "evil", from the perspective of what was right and just?

How do we explain away the injustice that we do, merely by replying that we "picked a side", and called it "white"?

I don't know how to explain the injustice other than the fact that the world is just not fair. Most of the countries in the world took land that was inhabited by someone else and those people probably took it from someone else and so on.. In most cases which side you pick depends on whether you benefit or not. In the case of Israel verses Islamic extremists I choose to not support the Islamic extremists.

IMO, you made a reasonable statement, and then you "picked a side".
Why did you omit "extremists", after, "In the case of Israel"? Isn't anyone who kills others to take their land, or to attempt to take it back, by definition, an "extremist"?

Weren't the states of Georgia and Illinois, and the federal government, in the 1830's, extremists? If you "side" with Israel, wouldn't you also have to "side" with the descendants of the native American Cherokee and the Miami, to be consistent in the rationale of your "sidedness"?

Does the rhetoric of a "side", earn that "side" the "extremist" label, as in "we are committed to driving the zionist devils into the sea, via jihad", but the actual violence that a "side" commits, either against members of the other "side", or in the 1830's in the US, and in Israel, today.....the violence committed, both against the other "side", and against the established law on their own "side", earn an "extremist" label?

Maybe even asking these questions is "frowned upon", in the earlier posted axiom of:
...and maybe followed, appropriately, with:
I think that the:
is a great way to encourage the incuriousity so endemic in the current US president....and in his enablers, his supporters....... incuriousity that has already initiated and or, encouraged a horrifying number of entirely avoidable maimed and killed "bystanders", all over the globe...and that, IMO, is observable "evil".

host my boy, ask yourself two questions:

What is it the Israeli's want?
What is it Hezbollah wants?

That is where you may find why one is labed extremist, and the other is not by rational men.

Okay, but even your assessment is desperately one-sided.

Hezzbolah is demanding the return of roughly 2000 Lebanese detainees and the end of Israel's de-facto occupation of southern Lebanon. We don't hear much about that, of course, but the fact is that Israel has violated Lebanese sovreignty in the name of security for decades. Hezzbolah is fighting to end that. I'm not saying their actions are right, but even "they do a lot of bad things, so they're the bad guys" overlooks the justification for those bad things they do.

American media, of course, hasn't really mentioned these justifications. The American black-and-white mindset is fostered by the sound-bite-oriented news coverage we're given and the inborn biases of our culture and leadership. Israel = good, anybody muslim = bad. Who really cares what Israel has been doing to those no good terrorist towelheads for the last ten years?

As a side note, I think that the Israeli attitude of "protecting our people at any cost" is as dangerous an approach to global politics as anything on the planet.

I don't doubt that the Europeans and then the Colonists did many unjust things to the Native Americans in order to take the land that they lived on. Just as I don't doubt that Native Americans also fought with each other over the same lands.

The reason I used the term extremist in the case of Israel's enemies is not just because they want the land but because they also seem to want to destroy western culture for religious reasons.

That is hardly a unique goal....even it if it is more than rhetoric.
Why, you may even live in a land bathed in the blood of "jihad"!

I think it's important not to lump all Muslim causes, concerns, struggles into one "Al Qaeda" whole. The Palestinian Hamas and Hezbollah organizations have not professed a determination to destroy Western culture. Their causes are regional and largely geo-political. That's not to say that I support their causes, I most certainly do not. But I do not think Israel has managed its enterprises with agility or good judgement, either.

We enjoy the result, in the US, of most people clinging to what they've "been led to believe", or traditional beliefs, or "religious beliefs", sprinkled with a strong dose of AIPAC and JINSA bs, and the former US military commanders, current white house appointees and elected officials who are currently or formerly affiliated with JINSA, and the confluence of the "extremist" eschatology espoused by the US christian right.

It shows itself in the disjointed, illogical arguments and extreme prejudice against any ideas that are "anti Israel". If you question the "set-up" of conventional belief, you "hate Israel, and love the terrorists".

I am not "led to believe" that which I post. I had to fight for what I believe, against a very strong, institutionalized "tide". What do you "know", and what has been fed to you? Don't you wonder why you are not working to "liberate" native Americans on reservations? Aren't they very similar to persecuted zionists, in the M.E.?

Um... Natives on Reservations are fully able to leave whenever they want. There's nothing to "liberate" them from, many tribes make billions on their reservations and never want to leave. I'm not saying horrible things did not occur... but they didn't occur because of us or our father's generations.

They are not living in persecution, they're not being gassed, tortured, or killed specifically because of their religion or race. We are not crying out for all Reservations and their inhabitants to be destroyed.

Apple =! Orange

And just because you fight to believe what you believe does not mean you're correct. I can go against the grain and say I believe that the earth is round... does not mean that it therefore has any validity.

You may be right about Hezbollah, maybe it is just us and not all the west they want to destroy. Nasrallah gave a speech on Al-Manar TV back in 2005 where he said "Our motto, which we are not afraid to repeat year after year is: Death to America"

Also I believe prior to 9/11, Hezbollah was responsible for more American casualties than any other terrorist organization in the world.

Let's see... fight an enemy who has superior force, in the only way you know, to regain rights you think have been taken from you. Employ blatant disregard for civilian life, and have a penchant for using explosives.

Yes, it would be deliberate ignorance not to see Timothy McVeigh's side of things.