Bush & Blair Knew & Both Went on Vacation; Is the Code Red Terror Alert Legitimate? - Page 2 - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Seaver · 08-11-2006, 12:10 PM

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I lived on Manhattan on 9/11. I put aside my furstration over the way Bush came into office after the Florida non-recount. It was uplifting to the spirit and brought hope to all of us who saw Bush speaking from atop the rubble that was, just days before, the WTC towers.

Mr. Bush lost me....I didn't lose him.

Was that before or after Bush planted explosives to destroy the WTC? Please Host don't feed us this stuff.

What it comes down to is the British and our government foiled a bombing campaign, and your hatred refuses to believe anything good can happen under Bush.

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i am done with this thread.
the arguments from the right are of such nitwit quality that there is no motivation to waste my time on them.
way to go folks.

Besides rants about how the danger rating going up is used solely for political purposes I've yet to hear anything from you. You dont know what the intelligence agencies know, or don't know. However that mistakingly assumes the entire country lets out an "Oh Noes!" and prostrates themself before Bush pictures in their living room. It's ubsurd.

Ustwo · 08-11-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by host

lived on Manhattan on 9/11. I put aside my furstration over the way Bush came into office after the Florida non-recount. It was uplifting to the spirit and brought hope to all of us who saw Bush speaking from atop the rubble that was, just days before, the WTC towers.

Mr. Bush lost me....I didn't lose him. Where is the progress after his promises? Empty, partisan , rhetoric is all that I see coming from this man....I can't believe anything that he or his appointees tell us. The Invasion of Iraq and the Katrina response are all any of us should need to make up our minds as to whether we trust Mr. Bush to lead us on substance, or on feelings.
There is no substance....there hasn't been any since he stayed in that classroom on 9/11. The only man in the country authorized to order the "shoot down" of an airliner that had become a potential weapon, sat glued to his seat with a "deer in the headlights" look on his face, and then did not leave an elementary school full of children, for a full half hour after the second plane had hit the WTC.

The "fringe" position here folks, is the belief that one can trust and support this U.S. leadership and still be in the "mainstream". The country has moved on from that POV. Welcome to the "fringe"!

I call shinanagins. host I don’t' know who you are, but this is not 'you' it sounds like the kind of pap a party would send out as a letter to the editor of a paper prior to an election, hoping they run it as a individuals contribution. Bush never had your support nor did he lose it. It would be inconsistent to think so based on your history of 'work' here.

Unless you are some bazaar man sitting in his basement doing nothing but constant searches, you are getting your information from 'somewhere' and I'm guessing it’s a centralized source. I think much like the left wing 'talking points' mailing list which was recently revealed to the general public, you are just an activist working with a pre-planned agenda. I've seen too many posts like yours on various message boards, hell even the mlb messages board has its share, to think its just spontaneous angst against this administration. It gets to a point where it defies logic. You said that 'agents' were posting in this forum, and I think you might be right, but it ain't me or anyone on the right. You might not be anyone important, but you are not just some ordinary guy who is upset with the government and who wants to talk about it, you have an agenda in your posting.

You never visit the other forums here, and my guess is you post this on several message boards in some odd propaganda program. I thought you were just some guy with ‘issues’ who needed a break but I’m starting to think you are very sane, just not what you are hoping we think you are.

Elphaba · 08-11-2006, 05:18 PM

I can't help but wonder about the apparent lack of interest by the mods in this topic. Perhaps it is a test in our ability to self-moderate?

Ustwo, you have made several personal attacks which is your signature troll tactic to cause an overresponse by a member. Host remains polite and on topic. Your above post is almost laughable, if it weren't for the obvious attempt to flame a member.

How sad it must be for you to resort to something like this. I would think a man of "science and reason" would be above petty personal attacks such as this. Your posse of one or two doesn't speak well for them, either.

Willravel · 08-11-2006, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Seaver

Was that before or after Bush planted explosives to destroy the WTC? Please Host don't feed us this stuff.

This is a great example of why people want to leave Tilted Politics. You honed in on like two sentences and answered them out of context. Everything Host said in his post is supported by massive amounts of sources that have never been found to be anything but dependable, and since you can't really argue with it, you try to strawman, making it seem as if he is only talking aobut Bush being directly responsible for a conspiracy surrounding 9/11.

Besides, you know who has a giant bullseye painted on his chest about the 9/11 conspiracy? Your's truely.

Seaver · 08-11-2006, 05:34 PM

Not it's not strawman, it's calling him on his bluff. At no point in his history of posting has Host posted any sort of support of Bush. At no point did Bush "have" him or "lose" him.

Ustwo · 08-11-2006, 05:41 PM

Sorry guys, its the only theory that makes sense for host.

He isn't part of the tfp community, he is just propaganda. Everyone else here posts beyond this board (Edit

aranoia included). No sane man alone would come up with all those links for tfp, spending HOURS trying to put some of the most nebulous connections together, and then never say 'hi'.

That last post of his was a mistake, it was beyond out of character, it was a talking point.

Willravel · 08-11-2006, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

Sorry guys, its the only theory that makes sense for host.

He isn't part of the tfp community, he is just propaganda.

Ustwo, you are seriously the wrong person to be saying this. How many political allies dows host have on TFP versus, oh say, yourself? How many people jump to your defence when you say something odd?

I'd say that personal attacks like this post are what seperate you from the pack. Maybe you should concentrate on the log in your eye before you point out the splinter in Host's.

xepherys · 08-11-2006, 08:20 PM

Ustwo, I don't really get your problem. Many of your accusations or deductions aren't based in reality. First of all, I do not really believe the terrorist threat the other day was as big an issue as it was made out to be. Sure, I could be wrong, but my instinct tells me that's not correct. Second, I'm a soldier. I DO believe there are bad people in the world that want to do bad things. Thirdly, I don't think Bush DID anything. However, I do believe the blwon out media coverage was at least partly politically motivated.

It's crazy, Ustwo. I'm not a freaky liberal. I'm also not a member of the GOP. I've decided to one up you there and actually think for myself. Many of your comments put you in the same boat as those you criticize, just rowing the other direction. *shrug*

RE: Paranoia... first of all, conspiracy does not describe a state of paranoia, though many people in the political world would like you to believe that. I challenge you to actually look up the definition of conspiracy. Why do you feel that anyone who believes differently than you is "paranoid"? Seems rather short sighted to me...

Elphaba · 08-11-2006, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

Sorry guys, its the only theory that makes sense for host.

He isn't part of the tfp community, he is just propaganda. Everyone else here posts beyond this board (Edit

aranoia included). No sane man alone would come up with all those links for tfp, spending HOURS trying to put some of the most nebulous connections together, and then never say 'hi'.

That last post of his was a mistake, it was beyond out of character, it was a talking point.

And the only theory that makes sense of you? That would be an interesting topic.

hiredgun · 08-11-2006, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

Unless you are some bazaar man sitting in his basement doing nothing but constant searches, you are getting your information from 'somewhere' and I'm guessing it’s a centralized source.

It's called an RSS aggregator. And it's spelled "bizarre".
Please refrain from attacking other members.

On-topic:

I don't doubt that there was a real plot. I don't think the timing had much to do with elections - if anything, it's likely that the plans for violence were long in preparation, but were finally put into execution in response to the perceived US/UK position on what's happening in Lebanon right now. I don't think any of us in the general public yet know enough to comment on a possible Al-Qaeda connection - Britain itself is home to enough disaffected, radicalized native Muslims that we can't take the connection for granted.

As for the overblown coverage, I think it's equally a product of political manipulation and the shape of our current news media, with its constant hunger for new and sensational content. I wouldn't make too much of the 'vacation' thing.

Ustwo · 08-11-2006, 09:58 PM

Sorry all but the pattern here is pretty clear.

Do you really think host is some guy who comes up with dozens upon dozens of links, blaming Bush for everything for TFP but never posts outside of the politics form?

I find it far more likely that host is involved in a prolonged propaganda campaign then some guy in his basement obsessed with evil Bush, spending hours of his life making posts for TFP. Perhaps MY post belongs on parinoia, but no more than this one does.

I decided to delve into the politics board to test the waters again, but saddly its a far cry from its height a few years ago. Evil shadow governments in every corner, mass murder for undefined political gain, a Bush behind every tree.

I think its funny just how many of you think the latest terror plot was a plan to boost a political viewpoints chances in some upcomming election without the slightest proof because of the fact that you don't like that political view point, yet the thought that host might not be all he seems despite a pretty obvious pattern of posting is unthinkable

Well later kids, like so many before I'm stepping away from this board, and I wish you wisdom with age.

pan6467 · 08-11-2006, 10:26 PM

I find the attacks on Host quite offensive and childish. I am surprised mods let it go this far. They were EXTREMELY personal in nature, belittling and cheap with the hit and "I'm going".

The only thing I saw UsTwo get accurate was a decline in TFP population, but that happens every summer esp. around now as many are students getting ready for school, people vacationing the last month of Summer.... etc.

It truly is sad though to see someone get away with such evil, vicious, personal attacks.

Seaver · 08-11-2006, 10:34 PM

Ustwo, we agree on most views... but you're carrying this too far.

You're beginning to reflect Host in his potrayal of you as a government agent.

Charlatan · 08-12-2006, 03:44 AM

What is wrong with you people?

You are acting like a bunch of fricken children.

1) The initial question is a legitimate question. Terror alerts HAVE benefitted the political fortunes of the the two leaders in question.
2) That does not mean that you have to agree that it was a "real" alert or a "staged" alert.
3) If you don't agree with someone's point of view. Hit the bloody BACK button. I know you know where it is!
4) If you don't like the way a discussion is going in a thread... change the direction of the thread or start a new thread.
5) You might not like the way someone posts. Fine. But don't threadjack with a post about why you don't like it. Stick to the topic. Make your point and get out.

I am still thinking about whether or not to issue official warnings to some of you.

A new low has been reached.

View Poll Results: Do You Believe That the US/UK Terror Alert is Genuine or About Political Control?
Genuine	15	62.50%
I'm Inclined to Believe that the Alert is a Politcally Motivated "Scare Tactic".	9	37.50%
Voters: 24. You may not vote on this poll

08-11-2006, 05:41 PM	#46 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	Sorry guys, its the only theory that makes sense for host. He isn't part of the tfp community, he is just propaganda. Everyone else here posts beyond this board (Editaranoia included). No sane man alone would come up with all those links for tfp, spending HOURS trying to put some of the most nebulous connections together, and then never say 'hi'. That last post of his was a mistake, it was beyond out of character, it was a talking point. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps. Last edited by Ustwo; 08-11-2006 at 05:47 PM..

08-11-2006, 09:58 PM	#51 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	Sorry all but the pattern here is pretty clear. Do you really think host is some guy who comes up with dozens upon dozens of links, blaming Bush for everything for TFP but never posts outside of the politics form? I find it far more likely that host is involved in a prolonged propaganda campaign then some guy in his basement obsessed with evil Bush, spending hours of his life making posts for TFP. Perhaps MY post belongs on parinoia, but no more than this one does. I decided to delve into the politics board to test the waters again, but saddly its a far cry from its height a few years ago. Evil shadow governments in every corner, mass murder for undefined political gain, a Bush behind every tree. I think its funny just how many of you think the latest terror plot was a plan to boost a political viewpoints chances in some upcomming election without the slightest proof because of the fact that you don't like that political view point, yet the thought that host might not be all he seems despite a pretty obvious pattern of posting is unthinkable Well later kids, like so many before I'm stepping away from this board, and I wish you wisdom with age. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

08-11-2006, 10:26 PM	#52 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	I find the attacks on Host quite offensive and childish. I am surprised mods let it go this far. They were EXTREMELY personal in nature, belittling and cheap with the hit and "I'm going". The only thing I saw UsTwo get accurate was a decline in TFP population, but that happens every summer esp. around now as many are students getting ready for school, people vacationing the last month of Summer.... etc. It truly is sad though to see someone get away with such evil, vicious, personal attacks. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

08-12-2006, 03:44 AM	#54 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	What is wrong with you people? You are acting like a bunch of fricken children. 1) The initial question is a legitimate question. Terror alerts HAVE benefitted the political fortunes of the the two leaders in question. 2) That does not mean that you have to agree that it was a "real" alert or a "staged" alert. 3) If you don't agree with someone's point of view. Hit the bloody BACK button. I know you know where it is! 4) If you don't like the way a discussion is going in a thread... change the direction of the thread or start a new thread. 5) You might not like the way someone posts. Fine. But don't threadjack with a post about why you don't like it. Stick to the topic. Make your point and get out. I am still thinking about whether or not to issue official warnings to some of you. A new low has been reached. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

08-11-2006, 05:18 PM	#43 (permalink)
Elphaba Deja Moo Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA	I can't help but wonder about the apparent lack of interest by the mods in this topic. Perhaps it is a test in our ability to self-moderate? Ustwo, you have made several personal attacks which is your signature troll tactic to cause an overresponse by a member. Host remains polite and on topic. Your above post is almost laughable, if it weren't for the obvious attempt to flame a member. How sad it must be for you to resort to something like this. I would think a man of "science and reason" would be above petty personal attacks such as this. Your posse of one or two doesn't speak well for them, either.

08-11-2006, 05:34 PM	#45 (permalink)
Seaver Junkie Location: Fort Worth, TX	Not it's not strawman, it's calling him on his bluff. At no point in his history of posting has Host posted any sort of support of Bush. At no point did Bush "have" him or "lose" him.

08-11-2006, 08:20 PM	#48 (permalink)
xepherys <3 TFP Location: 17TLH2445607250	Ustwo, I don't really get your problem. Many of your accusations or deductions aren't based in reality. First of all, I do not really believe the terrorist threat the other day was as big an issue as it was made out to be. Sure, I could be wrong, but my instinct tells me that's not correct. Second, I'm a soldier. I DO believe there are bad people in the world that want to do bad things. Thirdly, I don't think Bush DID anything. However, I do believe the blwon out media coverage was at least partly politically motivated. It's crazy, Ustwo. I'm not a freaky liberal. I'm also not a member of the GOP. I've decided to one up you there and actually think for myself. Many of your comments put you in the same boat as those you criticize, just rowing the other direction. shrug RE: Paranoia... first of all, conspiracy does not describe a state of paranoia, though many people in the political world would like you to believe that. I challenge you to actually look up the definition of conspiracy. Why do you feel that anyone who believes differently than you is "paranoid"? Seems rather short sighted to me...

08-11-2006, 10:34 PM	#53 (permalink)
Seaver Junkie Location: Fort Worth, TX	Ustwo, we agree on most views... but you're carrying this too far. You're beginning to reflect Host in his potrayal of you as a government agent.