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No Flag Burning Amendment
So, the flag burning amendment gets shot down by a single vote. First, why do we need this? Is this really an issue right now? There are so many other issues that or Senators should be focus on. We have soldiers being killed everyday in Iraq. A budget that is spinning out of control, three dollar gas prices, Education and healthcare problem, and the list could go on and on. What is the priority of the people that represent us in Washington? Gay marriage and flag burning, they should be ashamed of themselves. You know its not the republicans that are at fault here, plenty of democrats voted for it too, the ones in those swing states. Seems like their time and resources should be focused on more pressing issues.
Am I completely wrong here, or is this just an attempt by the republicans to point finger come election time and say, “look he is not strong on national security, and he not patriotic” It’s a shame that they are using the constitution to secure their own political future. Will Americans see through this? Do any of you feel that is this a real important issue, right now? |
Like you insinuate, the republicans are probably behind it all :rolleyes:
To answer your questions: We don't. no. getting re-elected. |
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For every Dem that may even mention this I can name probably 20 GOP that talk twice as much and want to make flag burning a huge issue. It's a Red Herring the GOP know will never get through, but it will take the press coverage aand the heat from the scandals away, at least for awhile. Let's get some radical "patriots" all up in arms and pissed about flag burning and have them bitch and moan about that so people and the press will focus on that, until we can find another hotpoint to divide the people...... that way they don't focus on the scandals, on living wages, on the war, on the deficit, on the trade imbalances, on whatever. In the end, we'll hear more about this for a week or 2 than we will about illegal immigration or liveable wages or whatever. Politics at it's finest. |
I can't believe they are even discussing this not to mention actually voting on it. What's really scary is that it missed the senate by only 1 vote.
In my opinion this is pretty cut and dry. If you can burn your country's flag then you're probably living in a free society, but if you get arrested then you're living in tyranny. Also, I agree with Pan that this was mainly brought up as a distration to other real issues that need to be dealt with. |
what hypocritical crap from the senate, all this gusto to support the partial bill of rights. pffffttt
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All you have to do is listen to how Limbaugh is spending ALL his time on it so far today. And how it is "the Liberal Left hating America and this is a win for them, meanwhile this is not a cut at your freedom of speaking out... it's an assault to every patriot and true American out there."
Now I realize why I don't listen to him..... he covers the Red Herrings and tries to whip people into a frenzy over issues that do not matter nor will ever pass, because they are taking rights and freedoms away. |
That it missed by only one vote is a great indication the vote, possibly the entire amendment, was staged and never more than a side-show.
It they're willing to make a mockery of the process in this case, how many other votes, while perhaps less obvious, share the same contrived underpinnings? Which if any issues are real to our representatives? |
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I consider my opposition to an anti flag burning law a patriotic stance in favor of freedom of speech. Symbols matter, yes, but are less important than those things that they symbolize.
Gilda |
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And hey, is it time for a Simpson's quote yet? Quote:
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Personally I think it's stupid and refuse to give it the time of day. |
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Let's see most recently: Wages (let's keep minimum wage low, not even WORK with industry to find ways to increase wages... BUT we'll give ourselves raises...), Illegal immigration, the war, the bank records- press is too free we need to control it, you know some true issues that may not be so controlled and easily manipulated by the GOP. |
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If you think this is a single-party issue, then you obviously haven't been in this country very long...:D
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Didn't the original pres. Bush pass this Amendment in his first year in office only to have it rescinded a short time later?
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I can't believe Americans actually spend time debating wether it should be legal to burn a piece of fabric...
I think something else is burning and it isn't your flag. |
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That is the problem; no matter who you vote for, you don't matter (unless you are a minority, "working class", or a working-class minority, of course). |
i'm pretty much against flag burning bc of just the offense it gives to my father adn people like him, people who fought for this country and who sacrificed more than i could imagine for me to be able to sit here and type this out.
That said, i'm sure he and i would go burn a flag on the steps of city hall and where-ever we could if a no flag burning amendment passed. I dont' believe he nor any other soldier fought for a gov't to curtail rights in such a manner.. My question echoes that of most here: Why is this even an issue...WTF good is going to do for the american people, why in teh world am i paying out hte arse for a doctor's visit and why are so many people making min wage when congress votes for raises every year. |
Flag handling etiquette explicitly encourage flag burning as a proper means of disposal when the flag is no longer fit to be flown.
So it seems that a valid reading could lead someone who felt the flag was unseemly due to what it has come to symbolize to burn it. Now, I'll believe these senators are genuine about their concerns when they don't write on flags, or allow anyone to wear them as clothing items, as these behaviors are expressly forbidden according to the rules. |
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Hmmm...washcloth. I should imagine that should I, for whatever reason, set fire to a towel, or even a blanket, in the middle of the street, I would be arrested. Surely, if nothing else, I would be in violation of some anti-pollution law, or anther...right? I mean, you can't go around setting fires when and where you feel like it...can you? So, why do we need to ammend the Constitution? We don't. Just tighten up the fire code. :D |
Anybody read the Federal Flag Code? Included in there:
"The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery." "The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown." Perhaps we could work on complying with those first. I mean, the President himself broke "The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature" by autographing a flag. |
I think this a very pressing issue. It is amendments like this and the Gay Marriage amendment that will save our country.
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I think bush even autographed one for an admirer once.
I echo all who have said the whole amendment thing is a useless waste of time. |
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The fact that flag burning is a debate truly is stupid. Here are two things that I think everyone already knows but I will say them, anyways. It is not the government's job (and, hence, there's no need to pass legislation) to protect you from being offended. In fact, it is the government's job to protect my right to offend you. Why do we protect freedom of speech, anyways? If your speech is popular then people will defend it. That's part of the definition of popular. Speech that people like doesn't need defending. You only have to protect speech that is unpopular. That's why rights advocates are always protecting assholes, because if you want to limit people's rights then you will start with the people no one likes. No one likes them, anyways, so who cares if they have rights? The thing is, when you take away someone's rights, you are taking away your own... The flag is a symbol. Burning the flag is also a symbol... |
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I'm rather sure no one died just for a flag either. Its the ideas behind the country that the flag represents.. not the flag itself. The flag is just cloth. If you destroy the ideas behind the flag then it is meaningless... and that is what a constitutional amendment like this does.
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I've been an attorney since 1985. We all know we have lost susbstantial personal freedoms oh so quietly, in the name of "national security" with out anybody giving a whimper.
The loss of our right to burn the flag would be the loss of our most simple, most basic right of free speech. It is beyond my belief that any politician who has read the constitution could even consider such a proposition. I am saddened beyond measure about this. It is incomprehensible that, first, this should come up and second, it lost by only ONE vote. Vote every single one of these assholes out of office. They dont deserve to shine our shoes. :mad: |
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As to an amendment to keep it from being burned, well I think our lawmakers should be doing usefull things with their time and our money, like throwing every illegal border crosser out of this country, stopping welfare and making those lazy bastards cut grass for my money. |
I say burn away. I have no problem with someone letting me know that they are pissed at things, and the flames give away their positions for the snipers (a little humor there!).
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