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Old 03-23-2006, 10:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Will Congressional Republicans Subject Bush to Criticism That Clinton Received?

When Asian based, corporate conglomerate Hutchinson Whampoa was approved by the Clinton admin., in 1999, to manage port facilities in the Panama Canal zone, 9/11 attacks had not occurred yet, the Dept. of Homeland Security did not yet exist, and the controversy that was created, and loudly protested by prominent congressional republicans, did not match this present day description of events, with the same Asian corporation, as reported today by the AP, in the last quote box, below. Excerpt:
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.......WASHINGTON - In the aftermath of the Dubai ports dispute, the Bush administration is hiring a Hong Kong conglomerate to help detect nuclear materials inside cargo passing through the Bahamas to the United States and elsewhere.....
Is today's news an indication that the Clinton era decision was unfairly criticized by republicans in 1999? Given the heightened, post 9/11 security "posture" of the U.S., the increaed awareness and sensitivity of the U.S. public regarding the Bush admin.'s frequent award of "no-bid" contracts to Halliburton controlled entities, even when justification for doing this seems difficult to defend, since there is no way to confirm a fair contract price, the reason that competitive bidding was formerly the way a fair contract price was arrived at......and the fact that....
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The administration acknowledges the no-bid contract with Hutchison Whampoa Ltd. represents the first time a foreign company will be involved in running a sophisticated U.S. radiation detector at an overseas port without American customs agents present.</B>........
.......it seems to me, after reading Bob Barr's 1999 "reaction" to doing a "port deal" with Hutchinson Whampoa, and comparing it to the 2006 reaction of Sen. Norm Coleman, it seems that Mr. Bush and members of congress who refarin from criticizing this contract, have some expalining to do to the American people. Are they concerned about domestic security or are all issues framed in a partisan political POV, first?
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......<b>...said Sen. Norm Coleman (news, bio, voting record), R-Minn., a member of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. "We must work with these foreign companies."</b>
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188179,00.html
FOXNEWS.COM HOME > POLITICS
American Shipping Firms Outbid, Outrun by Foreign Cos.
Saturday, March 18, 2006
By Liza Porteus

....In 1999, just before the Chinese company Hutchison Whampoa took control of the shipping yards that line the Panama Canal, retired U.S. admiral and former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Thomas H. Moorer warned the Clinton administration of a "nuclear Pearl Harbor.".....
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http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...15/ai_55821630
At What Cost Did China Get Canal? - Brief Article
Insight on the News, Sept 13, 1999 by J. Michael Waller

The Clinton administration sees no Communist Chinese threat to the Panama Canal. Senate Majority Leader Lott and other congressional Republican leaders wonder why......

http://www.insightmag.com/ME2/dirmod...Search&level=2
China's Beachhead at Panama Canal

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:...s&ct=clnk&cd=2
At What Cost Did China Get Canal?
By J. Michael Waller

Control of ports on both sides of the Panama Canal by a Chinese shipping company tied to the People's Liberation Army, or PLA, poses no security threat to the United States, the Clinton administration has insisted in coordinated statements by the State Department, the Pentagon and the White House.

<B>But congressional Republicans aren't buying that story.</B> Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott sent Insight's report, "China's Beachhead at Panama Canal," to Defense Secretary William Cohen, calling the article "very disturbing" and asking for his response. Some on Capitol Hill are starting to ask whether the Clinton administration, as part of a suspected policy of relaxing vigilance toward China as a result of campaign contributions, has allowed Beijing to dominate the Panama Canal.

"I don't think we're in this situation by happenstance," <b>Rep. Bob Barr, a Georgia Republican, tells Insight. "Two things are at play here. One, the Clinton administration, from a strategic standpoint, doesn't care about the Panama Canal. They don't have an appreciation of its importance or its history. They flat out don't care. There is a connection with other policy goals, namely appeasing the Communist Chinese and getting money for them and, at best, not standing in the way of the Chinese gaining a strategic foothold in Panama - and very possibly assisting them in that effort."......</b>

<B>...... In his Aug. 1 letter to Cohen, Lott was blunt: "Bill, this administration is allowing a scenario to develop where U.S. national-security interests could not be protected without confronting the Chinese Communists in the Americas." He termed Hutchison Whampoa "an arm of the People's Liberation Army."</B>

Before Cohen could reply, administration spinmeisters immediately responded with carefully worded statements coordinated between the White House, the State Department and the Pentagon. Hutchison Whampoa issued a statement denying any connection with the PLA.

"We do not anticipate any problems whatsoever from the result of this - of the port facilities that are owned by a Chinese company," said Pentagon spokesman Kenneth Bacon in response to a Washington Times report on Lott's letter. "We do not see the Chinese-owned port facilities as a military or a national-security threat."......

........." State Department spokesman James Rubin echoed the same line: "We have seen no capability or interest on the part of the People's Republic of China, a major user of the Panama Canal, to disrupt its operations."

"That's baloney," says Al Santoli, a special assistant to Republican Rep. Dana Rohrabacher of California, who monitors Beijing's long-term strategy to dominate the Pacific Ocean. "One or two people with a small amount of explosives can disable that canal for a very, very long time." The White House assertion that Beijing lacks the capability to block the Panama Canal, Santoli and other military experts say, is misleading, false or nave........

........ "In essence, we now have a company with strong ties to the Chinese Communist government acting as a gatekeeper of the canal," according to C. Thomas Burke, a member of the State Department's Panama Canal Study Commission from 1990 to 1994. Burke was part of a four-year, $20 million study to explore ways of enhancing the canal after the U.S. pullout. "Our lack of direction is creating a dangerous political vacuum which is being filled right under our noses by forces that in the future might just be hostile to our best interests."

Lott, in his letter to Cohen, was more direct: "U.S. naval ships will be at the mercy of Chinese-controlled pilots, and could even be denied passage. . . . In addition, the Chinese Communist Party will gain an intelligence information advantage by controlling this strategic choke point. It appears that we have given away the farm without a shot being fired."
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060324/...NlYwN5bmNhdA--
<b>U.S. Hiring Hong Kong Co. to Scan Cargo</b>

By TED BRIDIS and JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writers 1 hour, 41 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - In the aftermath of the Dubai ports dispute, <B>the Bush administration is hiring a Hong Kong conglomerate to help detect nuclear materials inside cargo passing through the Bahamas to the United States and elsewhere.

The administration acknowledges the no-bid contract with Hutchison Whampoa Ltd. represents the first time a foreign company will be involved in running a sophisticated U.S. radiation detector at an overseas port without American customs agents present.</B>

Freeport in the Bahamas is 65 miles from the U.S. coast, where cargo would be likely to be inspected again. The contract is currently being finalized.

The administration is negotiating a second no-bid contract for a Philippine company to install radiation detectors in its home country, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press. At dozens of other overseas ports, foreign governments are primarily responsible for scanning cargo.

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President Bush recently reassured Congress that foreigners would not manage security at U.S. ports, the Hutchison deal in the Bahamas illustrates how the administration is relying on foreign companies at overseas ports to safeguard cargo headed to the United States.

Hutchison Whampoa is the world's largest ports operator and among the industry's most-respected companies. It was an early adopter of U.S. anti-terror measures. But its billionaire chairman, Li Ka-Shing, also has substantial business ties to China's government that have raised U.S. concerns over the years.

"Li Ka-Shing is pretty close to a lot of senior leaders of the Chinese government and the Chinese Communist Party," said Larry M. Wortzel, head of a U.S. government commission that studies China security and economic issues. But Wortzel said Hutchison operates independently from Beijing, and he described Li as "a very legitimate international businessman."

Three years ago, the Bush administration effectively blocked a Hutchison subsidiary from buying part of a bankrupt U.S. telecommunications company, Global Crossing Ltd., on national security grounds.

And a U.S. military intelligence report, once marked "secret," cited Hutchison in 1999 as a potential risk for smuggling arms and other prohibited materials into the United States from the Bahamas.

Hutchison's port operations in the Bahamas and Panama "could provide a conduit for illegal shipments of technology or prohibited items from the West to the PRC (People's Republic of China), or facilitate the movement of arms and other prohibited items into the Americas," the now-declassified assessment said.

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CIA currently has no security concerns about Hutchison's port operations, and the administration believes the pending deal with the foreign company would be safe, officials said.

<B>Supervised by Bahamian customs officials, Hutchison employees will drive the towering, truck-like radiation scanner that moves slowly over large cargo containers and scans them for radiation that might be emitted by plutonium or a radiological weapon.</B>

Any positive reading would set off alarms monitored simultaneously by Bahamian customs inspectors at Freeport and by U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials working at an anti-terrorism center 800 miles away in northern Virginia. Any alarm would prompt a closer inspection of the cargo, and there are multiple layers of security to prevent tampering, officials said...

..."Giving a no-bid contract to a foreign company to carry out the most sensitive security screening for radioactive materials at ports abroad raises many questions," said Sen. Charles Schumer (news, bio, voting record), D-N.Y.

<b>"We must not allow an unwarranted fear of foreign ownership or involvement in offshore operations to impair our ability to protect against nuclear weapons being smuggled into this country," said Sen. Norm Coleman (news, bio, voting record), R-Minn., a member of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. "We must work with these foreign companies."</b>

A former Coast Guard commander, Stephen Flynn, said foreign companies sometimes prove more trustworthy — and susceptible to U.S. influence — than governments.

"It's a very fragile system," Flynn said. Foreign companies "recognize the U.S. has the capacity and willingness to exercise a kill switch if something goes wrong."

Hutchison's ports subsidiary said in a statement Friday from its headquarters in Hong Kong it was confident that Bahamian customs inspectors will notify U.S. authorities whenever it is appropriate.

<B>There are no U.S. customs agents checking any cargo containers at the Hutchison port in Freeport. Under the contract, no U.S. officials would be stationed permanently in the Bahamas with the radiation scanner.</B>

The administration is finalizing the contract amid a national debate over maritime security sparked by the furor over now-abandoned plans by Dubai-owned DP World to take over significant operations at major U.S. ports.

Hutchison operates the sprawling Freeport Container Port on Grand Bahama Island. Its subsidiary, Hutch<b>ison Port Holdings, has operations in more than 20 countries but none in the United States.

Contract documents, obtained by The Associated Press, indicate Hutchison will be paid roughly $6 million. The contract is for one year with options for three years.

The Energy Department's National Nuclear Security Administration is negotiating the Bahamas contract under a $121 million security program it calls the "second line of defense." Wilkes, the NNSA spokesman, said the Bahamian government dictated that the U.S. give the contract to Hutchison.

"It's their country, their port. The driver of the mobile carrier is the contractor selected by their government. We had no say or no choice," he said. "We are fortunate to have allies who are signing these agreements with us."

Some security experts said that is a weak explanation in the Bahamas, with its close reliance on the United States. The administration could insist that the Bahamas permit U.S. Customs agents to operate at the port, said Albert Santoli, an expert on national security issues in Asia and the Pacific......

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Old 03-24-2006, 11:13 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Indeed, I believe we can all cheer the Republicans for taking the moral high road and realizing that xenophobia has no place in governmental policy-making. Irrational fear of companies based in other nations was wrong under Clinton and remains wrong in the post-9/11 world. Hats off to the Senate Republicans for getting it right the second time.
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Old 03-24-2006, 07:19 PM   #3 (permalink)
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C'mon politicophile, you know the only reason they're getting it right is because it's their guy in the White House. They didn't come to any realization. They are more than capable of exploiting xenophobia when it serves their interests. So while I can't give them any credit, I will give a thumbs down to Democrats who have abandoned their values in the name of scoring cheap political points.
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Old 03-24-2006, 10:08 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Indeed, I believe we can all cheer the Republicans for taking the moral high road and realizing that xenophobia has no place in governmental policy-making. Irrational fear of companies based in other nations was wrong under Clinton and remains wrong in the post-9/11 world. Hats off to the Senate Republicans for getting it right the second time.
I'd like to know on what grounds you are making the assumption that the republicans actions are morally based, and on what basis you can be sure that they are not tacitly doing what serves their interests at this very moment, whatever that may be.
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Old 03-24-2006, 11:07 PM   #5 (permalink)
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why is it always about who gets it right the first, second, or third time. why can't parties suck it up take the blame, and not make decisions to make themselves look good. hey im not as intellectually versed as you guys but i do know when to tell when people screw up. it shouldnt be about doing well to make the other parties look bad, but what do i know
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Old 03-25-2006, 02:58 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Indeed, I believe we can all cheer the Republicans for taking the moral high road and realizing that xenophobia has no place in governmental policy-making. Irrational fear of companies based in other nations was wrong under Clinton and remains wrong in the post-9/11 world. Hats off to the Senate Republicans for getting it right the second time.
politicophile, consider, along side your own comments, what this ranking republican House committee chairman said about Hutchinson Whampoa, the same company that has been awarded a "no-bid" contract to become the first foreign company to operate, without the presence American Customs officers, the most advanced and sensitive U.S. shipping container screening technology:
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Congressman Jim Saxton has served in the U.S. House of Representatives for New Jersey's Third Congressional District since 1984.

Rising Seniority in House Committees

Mr. Saxton, 62, has risen in seniority. In January 2005 the Speaker of the House appointed him to become Chairman of the Joint Economic Committee (JEC) of the House and U.S. Senate (He was also Chairman 1997- 1998, 2001-2002). <b>In 2005, he was also reappointed as chairman of the House Armed Services Committee's (HASC) Terrorism, Unconventional Threats and Capabilities Subcommittee</b>
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Issue Date: June 20, 2005
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Sale of Telecom Firm to China Poses Espionage Threat
By Rep. Jim Saxton

......How would this acquisition put clandestine U.S. global communications at risk of being intercepted by the Chinese? <b>The chairman of Hutchison-Whampoa, Chinese billionaire Li Ka-shing, has been closely linked to former Chinese military intelligence director, Gen. Ji Shengde. Li Ka-shing also sits on a board of a company tied to the Chinese People's Liberation Army that allegedly has sold arms to Iran and Pakistan.</b> Additionally, the deal struck between Panama and Hutchison-Whampoa for control of ports at both ends of the Panama Canal - one of the most critical naval points in the Western Hemisphere - was believed to be underhanded at best.

Even if Li Ka-shing is not acting at the behest of the Chinese government, it does not mean Hutchison-Whampoa's role in operating Global Crossing's assets couldn't be compromised later. After all, its home base in Hong Kong now is part of China, and maintaining a close relationship with the Beijing government is essential to running a healthy enterprise there.

One does not have to be completely paranoid to see the connection here. Fear that Chinese intelligence operatives could exploit Hutchison's ownership of Global Crossing's undersea cables to listen in on sensitive U.S. communication is not far-fetched.

In fact, it brings up a broader question of whether we should permit foreign firms to purchase the rights to maintain a portion of U.S. infrastructure - in this case, complete access to our sensitive communications around the globe. Should we allow foreign entities the right to own resources that directly affect our national security?........
Considering that only members of Mr. Cheney's political party have made the decisions to approve the contract to manage 21 U.S. ports to a subsidiary of the government of Dubai, and to award a "no-bid" contract to Hutchinson Whampoa to screen cargo bound for the U.S. mainland, for nuclear material, coupled with the description above of the owner of Whampoa, by the republican chairman of the House Armed Services Committee's (HASC) Terrorism, Unconventional Threats and Capabilities Subcommittee, can you make a convincing case that the republican officials who have total charge of the government and thus, the "war on terror", are indicating, by the consistancy of their decisions and their speeches, in this "time of war", that they described and declared, are acting in a sincere and straightforward, non-hypocritical, way...when it comes to homeland security policy?
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Cheney Blasts Democrats for Calling Bush 'Dangerously Incompetent'
Friday, March 24, 2006

Cheney, speaking Friday at a campaign event for Rep. Ric Keller in Orlando, said Democrats have a "sorry record" on national security.

"With that sorry record, the leaders of the Democratic Party have decided to run on the theme of competence. If they're competent to fight this war, then I ought to be singing on American Idol," Cheney said.
These are the folks who tell us that we are at war against threats so serious that the POTUS must assume extra-constitutional authority, secretly, as he "sees fit" to protect America. Cheney and Bush tells us that 9/11 "changed everything", and that, compared to democrats, they are exclusively qualified to keep us from "getting hit, again". Do you believe them? How? Why" I don't, because they have to earn my trust, and they haven't....not even close.

I invite you to make the opposite argument, if they have earned your trust, tell us how they've inspired your confidence.
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