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dksuddeth · 03-14-2006, 06:28 PM

Daley called 'Delusional' for seeking gun ban/confiscations

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An Illinois gun rights group Tuesday called Chicago Democratic Mayor Richard Daley "delusional" for demanding that all 1.5 million firearm owners in the state appear before him and explain why their weapons should not be banned or confiscated.

While acknowledging that Daley's statement comes in the wake of a pair of shootings in the city that left two young girls dead, Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association (ISRA), nevertheless said that the mayor's outburst "suggests strongly that it's time to pad the walls" of his office with rubber.

"I have a message for you, Mr. Mayor," Pearson added. "The Revolutionary War was not fought so that we could unseat King George and install King Richard. The Bill of Rights is not a stick of salami that you can slice and dice at your whim.

"You may have succeeded in suspending the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 9th amendments" to the U.S. Constitution "in Chicago, but the people of Illinois are not going to let you extend your tyranny beyond the city limits," he stated.

"And no, we have no obligation to come to Chicago, kneel before your throne and beg to freely exercise the rights that so many before us have died for," Pearson said. "To be honest, Mr. Mayor, I think Chicago would be a much better place if you spent less time in front of the cameras and more time behind your desk."

Daley's unusual demand follows a series of events that began on Friday, March 3, when 14-year-old Starkesia Reed was killed when a stray bullet came through the window of her family's house in the city's Englewood community.

Twenty-four-year-old Carail Weeks was charged the following week with first-degree murder in the case.

Then on Saturday, March 11, Siretha White was felled by a bullet from a drive-by shooting as she celebrated her 10th birthday in another Englewood neighborhood.

Authorities later arrested Moses Phillips, 19, and Paree Jones, 25, and charged each with three counts of attempted murder for a gang-related shooting that happened earlier in the day. While the suspects are not charged with Siretha White's murder, police officials believe they are linked to the incident.

As a result of the slayings, Daley renewed his ongoing plea for tighter gun control laws in the state.

"It could happen to any child that's going to school now," Daley said Monday. The tragedies show "a total disregard of human life, and it's as simple as that."

"Why does an adult decide to fire a weapon at a bunch of children at a party?" the mayor asked. "Think of that one, or just drive down the street and start firing a weapon at someone's home."

Daley also demanded that the state's 1.5 million law-abiding firearm owners travel to Chicago to appear before him and explain why their firearms should not be banned and confiscated.

Pearson stated that ISRA members grieved over the Englewood families' losses.

"Like all people of good conscience, the state's hunters and sportsmen are sickened by the murders of innocent children," Pearson said. "It's disturbing to think that there are people out there who will pepper a home full of children with bullets for the sake of securing a corner drug outlet. But those people are out there."

While the mayor "spent the weekend swilling green beer and bagels, a Baghdad mentality settled over Englewood," Pearson added. "Daley is losing control of his city, and all he can do is lay down a smokescreen of blame against the state's law-abiding firearm owners."

As Cybercast News Service previously reported, efforts by Daley and Illinois Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich in February to institute an assault-weapons ban have been criticized by gun makers as potentially damaging to the state's economy.

Gun rights advocates have also labeled as a "boondoggle" a bill proposed by the governor in his State of the State address to outlaw assault weapons in Illinois.

I know its been a very long time since i've lived in Illinois, but is Daley really that powerful?

The_Dunedan · 03-14-2006, 07:12 PM

He certainly thinks he is. This is the same jackass that took bulldozers to one of the nation's oldest airports, over the objections of thousands of pilots, against the law, and in the middle of the night; an action which stranded nearly forty aircraft on an island with no way to leave. Daley is a bloody megalomaniac whos every waking dream seems to involve turning Chicago into a setting for "V For Vendetta."

Willravel · 03-14-2006, 07:26 PM

This guy is a moron. I might be pro gun control and probably pro gun bans, but this is an absurd request that has no root in reality. He can no more ask this of the 1.5 million gun owners than I can.

djtestudo · 03-14-2006, 07:58 PM

Sounds to me like like a Godfather complex: he thinks he's God, like his father

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Authorities later arrested Moses Phillips, 19, and Paree Jones, 25, and charged each with three counts of attempted murder for a gang-related shooting that happened earlier in the day. While the suspects are not charged with Siretha White's murder, police officials believe they are linked to the incident.

Gee, there's a surprise.

Guns don't kill people...

JumpinJesus · 03-14-2006, 08:23 PM

Yeah, Daley is kind of kooky. He's had a few good ideas for Chicago, but he's embroiled in scandal after scandal and believes his own hype to the point that I'm often left to wonder what planet he thinks he's living on.

I believe his comment about demanding gun owners attempt to justify themselves to him was a somewhat rhetorical statment. Having said that, if he was truly concerned with saving the children of his city, he'd pay more attention to some of the neighborhoods under his rule rather than challenge the gun owners of the entire state.

The_Jazz · 03-15-2006, 05:20 AM

IMO, Daley's not "kooky" or a "nut", but he has the same problem that his father did before him - he opens his mouth before thinking sometimes. The guy has actually done some great things for the city (the fact that people actually live downtown again speaks volumes), but his influence starts to wane pretty severely at the borders of the city. I doubt that he was serious with this statement since it would take him away from what he loves doing - running the city.

I think that he's frustrated about these terrible incidents, and he's been pretty consistent about getting upset when a kid is killed by random senseless violence, regardless of the neighborhood. Believe it or not, the gang problem here is actually declining because of some changes that the City and the Chicago Housing Authority have made. There are some former gang stronghold neighborhoods that are pretty much gang-free now - Uptown, Andersonville, Bowmanville and Bronzeville for instance. The city actually enforces the laws on the books and doesn't push for more. They've even gotten the state to cooperate against straw buyers and sellers, which was a huge problem in the suburbs that seems to be on the decline.

Outsiders need to realize that most people in Chicago have trained themselves to only take about half of what Daley says seriously. If we didn't, we'd be expecting Lakeshore Drive to extend all the way to Evanston, the O'Hare expansion would have already happened and every street would have a bike lane.

dksuddeth · 03-15-2006, 07:15 AM

Well, I don't live there anymore and I'm glad that I don't but I think this would be an opportune moment for those 1.5 million gun owners to show him exactly why they shouldn't be banned and confiscated.

Learn from history. The British tried the same thing and look what happened.

JustJess · 03-15-2006, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by dksuddeth

snipbut I think this would be an opportune moment for those 1.5 million gun owners to show him exactly why they shouldn't be banned and confiscated.
Learn from history. The British tried the same thing and look what happened.

Yeah.... 250 years ago. Do you think we should go back to not having plumbing either, since that was the way it was done back then too? Times have changed and are continuing to do so.

Was his comment inane? Absolutely. And I doubt it was serious. If he continues to be an idiot, I imagine Chicago's voters will get him out. Y'know, without shooting him. Because it is, after all, 2006, not the 1700's.

dksuddeth · 03-15-2006, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JustJess

Yeah.... 250 years ago. Do you think we should go back to not having plumbing either, since that was the way it was done back then too? Times have changed and are continuing to do so.

Was his comment inane? Absolutely. And I doubt it was serious. If he continues to be an idiot, I imagine Chicago's voters will get him out. Y'know, without shooting him. Because it is, after all, 2006, not the 1700's.

Just because we're 200 years older as a nation does NOT mean that the declaration of independence, bill of rights, constitution, and all others have disapeared.

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

God of Thunder · 03-15-2006, 09:26 AM

A delusional Mayor drunk with power, I can relate.

The City of Flint's mayor decided to take his personal vehicle and have official police emblems and lights installed. He thought as head of the city, it made hime head of the police and fire departments as well. The second time he drove it, the state police pulled him over and informed him he would be arrested for impersonating a police officer if he ever drove it again.

It's still sitting in the city garage.

I think all mayor's get a little drunk with power. They get the feeling it's THEIR city, so they can control it however they want.

ratbastid · 03-15-2006, 11:27 AM

Well, hang on, though. The article quotes him liberally, and then says, "Daley also demanded..." about the come to Chicago and justify your guns thing. That's the central point of the story! Why is THAT a paraphrase?

I'm pretty curious about what actually came out of his mouth--because you KNOW it wasn't as nicely newsworthy as what actually ran in the story.

dksuddeth · 03-15-2006, 12:46 PM

Well, I've been unable to find 'exact' quotes from Daley so I can't tell you exactly what he said. I sure wish I could.

03-14-2006, 08:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
JumpinJesus Junkie Location: Chicago	Yeah, Daley is kind of kooky. He's had a few good ideas for Chicago, but he's embroiled in scandal after scandal and believes his own hype to the point that I'm often left to wonder what planet he thinks he's living on. I believe his comment about demanding gun owners attempt to justify themselves to him was a somewhat rhetorical statment. Having said that, if he was truly concerned with saving the children of his city, he'd pay more attention to some of the neighborhoods under his rule rather than challenge the gun owners of the entire state. __________________ "I can normally tell how intelligent a man is by how stupid he thinks I am" - Cormac McCarthy, All The Pretty Horses

03-15-2006, 05:20 AM	#6 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	IMO, Daley's not "kooky" or a "nut", but he has the same problem that his father did before him - he opens his mouth before thinking sometimes. The guy has actually done some great things for the city (the fact that people actually live downtown again speaks volumes), but his influence starts to wane pretty severely at the borders of the city. I doubt that he was serious with this statement since it would take him away from what he loves doing - running the city. I think that he's frustrated about these terrible incidents, and he's been pretty consistent about getting upset when a kid is killed by random senseless violence, regardless of the neighborhood. Believe it or not, the gang problem here is actually declining because of some changes that the City and the Chicago Housing Authority have made. There are some former gang stronghold neighborhoods that are pretty much gang-free now - Uptown, Andersonville, Bowmanville and Bronzeville for instance. The city actually enforces the laws on the books and doesn't push for more. They've even gotten the state to cooperate against straw buyers and sellers, which was a huge problem in the suburbs that seems to be on the decline. Outsiders need to realize that most people in Chicago have trained themselves to only take about half of what Daley says seriously. If we didn't, we'd be expecting Lakeshore Drive to extend all the way to Evanston, the O'Hare expansion would have already happened and every street would have a bike lane. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

03-15-2006, 07:15 AM	#7 (permalink)
dksuddeth Junkie Location: bedford, tx	Well, I don't live there anymore and I'm glad that I don't but I think this would be an opportune moment for those 1.5 million gun owners to show him exactly why they shouldn't be banned and confiscated. Learn from history. The British tried the same thing and look what happened. __________________ "no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything. You cannot conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."

03-15-2006, 09:26 AM	#10 (permalink)
God of Thunder Talk nerdy to me Location: Flint, MI	A delusional Mayor drunk with power, I can relate. The City of Flint's mayor decided to take his personal vehicle and have official police emblems and lights installed. He thought as head of the city, it made hime head of the police and fire departments as well. The second time he drove it, the state police pulled him over and informed him he would be arrested for impersonating a police officer if he ever drove it again. It's still sitting in the city garage. I think all mayor's get a little drunk with power. They get the feeling it's *THEIR* city, so they can control it however they want. __________________ I reject your reality, and substitute my own -- Adam Savage

03-15-2006, 12:46 PM	#12 (permalink)
dksuddeth Junkie Location: bedford, tx	Well, I've been unable to find 'exact' quotes from Daley so I can't tell you exactly what he said. I sure wish I could. __________________ "no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything. You cannot conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."

03-14-2006, 07:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
The_Dunedan Junkie	He certainly thinks he is. This is the same jackass that took bulldozers to one of the nation's oldest airports, over the objections of thousands of pilots, against the law, and in the middle of the night; an action which stranded nearly forty aircraft on an island with no way to leave. Daley is a bloody megalomaniac whos every waking dream seems to involve turning Chicago into a setting for "V For Vendetta."

03-14-2006, 07:26 PM	#3 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	This guy is a moron. I might be pro gun control and probably pro gun bans, but this is an absurd request that has no root in reality. He can no more ask this of the 1.5 million gun owners than I can.

03-15-2006, 11:27 AM	#11 (permalink)
ratbastid Darth Papa Location: Yonder	Well, hang on, though. The article quotes him liberally, and then says, "Daley also demanded..." about the come to Chicago and justify your guns thing. That's the central point of the story! Why is THAT a paraphrase? I'm pretty curious about what actually came out of his mouth--because you KNOW it wasn't as nicely newsworthy as what actually ran in the story.