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ngdawg · 03-28-2009, 04:02 PM

The artful colorful stuff, not the scribble-and-run kind.

The first set is from one wall behind a bowling alley in Linden, NJ, shown first.

These were in Trenton:

Had a little fun with this one, also found in Trenton:

Anyone else find some of this beautiful art? Care to share?

blahblah454 · 03-28-2009, 04:21 PM

I have to agree fully with you ng, graffiti of this sort is really amazing. I used to know of lots of places where pieces such as these were done in Calgary. Unfortunately I no longer live there.

Manic_Skafe · 03-29-2009, 09:20 AM

Cool thread ng. I'll take the scribble and run stuff over legal walls any day - it's nice to see things where they aren't allowed to be.

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xuvio38 · 04-02-2009, 01:52 AM

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dlish · 04-02-2009, 12:12 PM

i knew you were going to say that manic. and i agree.

illegal graffiti and the risks involved in terms of not only getting caught, but risk to life and limb make it what it is.

i say illegal graffiti of legal walls too. on legal walls, it becomes a piece of art. on illegal walls its a statement, irrespective of how it looks

xuvio38 · 04-02-2009, 03:37 PM

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dlish · 04-02-2009, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matthew Vita

I don't quite understand what you are saying.. graffiti is okay and is "art" if it is on a legal wall... and anything else that is not on a legal wall.. is not "art"?

-MV

no, i think you read into it a bit too much MV.

both is art..one is art on its own..the other is art with an additional statement.

i have more 'respect' for illegal graffiti as artwork itself, than legal graffiti purely because if the risk factor. though i condemn it as defacing someone elses property.

Manic_Skafe · 04-02-2009, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlish

i knew you were going to say that manic. and i agree.

illegal graffiti and the risks involved in terms of not only getting caught, but risk to life and limb make it what it is.

i say illegal graffiti of legal walls too. on legal walls, it becomes a piece of art. on illegal walls its a statement, irrespective of how it looks

I'm right with you, buddy. I'll take tags over elaborate pieces on legal walls but my gripe goes all the way down to the term legal graffiti. It's like an anarchist punk band fronted by the ceo of a fortune 500 company.

If it's legal, it ain't graffiti.

xuvio38 · 04-03-2009, 01:56 AM

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mixedmedia · 04-03-2009, 02:26 AM

I don't have any pictures of graffiti, but now I am inspired to take some. Love how that works.

paddyjoe · 04-03-2009, 03:43 AM

shot in an old, abandoned subway bed:

ngdawg · 04-03-2009, 05:35 AM

That is cool, PJ.
When you stop and think that things like this are done with spray cans, it really is a remarkable talent. I took some photos of graffiti done on a railroad overpass and will post them shortly.

ngdawg · 04-03-2009, 09:13 PM

These were taken Thursday not far from my house. Never knew they were there until last week:

This is the other half of the wall where the first two images are:

Xerxys · 04-03-2009, 10:06 PM

These are fantastic, I've always been jealous of people who can draw.

EDIT: and spell.

paddyjoe · 04-04-2009, 04:58 AM

someone was thinking political graffiti while enjoying a day at the beach.......

roachboy · 04-04-2009, 08:42 AM

very nice. this adds yet another pressure to the already mounting pressure i feel to get a camera. i like tagging/graffiti/murals/whatever...i prefer the tags that pop to the paint signatures, but mostly i like that it is a consistent violation of bourgeois notions that the private and public are separate-------the idea that the private extends to surfaces that are up against a street, or passages or the outside of subway cars is, if you think about it, kinda fucked up.

i also like that it's a popular form that requires alot of skill to pull off. it's good that folk pay attention to process. it's good that folk make things rather than just buying them. so yeah.

obviously, the idea that this street art is strictly outside the gallery system or outside the more uptight world of "legit" art is naive at this point. there's a fluidity of boundaries and it's pretty clear that at least some of what you see amounts to public auditions, stuff for portfolios that are sent around with proper artist statements and such. it's been like this for years. so i don't see in street art a necessarily anarchist politics or a rejection of the Man---but i do like it. even the relatively crappy stuff that's around tiny town.

makes me miss chicago tho. that place has fantastic streets.

ngdawg · 04-04-2009, 05:18 PM

I had posted these in a photography forum as well and only got one negative to the concept of graffiti as art.
Many urban areas here in NJ, in Philly and other cities, this artform is becoming a legitimate way to enhance otherwise dreary areas. While there will always be some idjit with a black spraycan that just scribbles a name or profanity, I see more and more acceptance of graffiti as "art".
After all, even the cave drawings found in France are graffiti, even if they have historical significance.
Every time I see a big black or ugly beige square painted on a wall, I wonder what kind of artwork is that ugly thing covering.

Manic_Skafe · 04-04-2009, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roachboy

obviously, the idea that this street art is strictly outside the gallery system or outside the more uptight world of "legit" art is naive at this point. there's a fluidity of boundaries and it's pretty clear that at least some of what you see amounts to public auditions, stuff for portfolios that are sent around with proper artist statements and such. it's been like this for years. so i don't see in street art a necessarily anarchist politics or a rejection of the Man---but i do like it. even the relatively crappy stuff that's around tiny town.

Since you didn't quote I'm uncertain as to whether or not this was in reference to the post I made above. If so, that really isn't what I argued at all.

Revs (installation above a huge wall piece)

Gsone

ngdawg · 04-06-2009, 05:51 PM

More "mecro" in my town:

ring · 04-06-2009, 08:00 PM

Bernal Heights...then down the hill towards the 'mission'...1998, San Franciso

---------- Post added at 08:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:57 PM ----------

sanctioned or not, the message is, the medium.

spindles · 04-06-2009, 08:07 PM

btw, there is a word for legal graffiti - murals!

Well done graffiti can be quite good, but a lot of it ends up just being scribbles - I'm not so keen on that type.

fnaqzna · 04-06-2009, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spindles

Well done graffiti can be quite good, but a lot of it ends up just being scribbles - I'm not so keen on that type.

I'm with ya... some of it looks cool, but I can't read it. Therefore, it's meaningless to me. Might as well be reading greek.

Jehu · 04-07-2009, 02:20 PM

American Flats in Virginia City... Graffiti capitol of Nevada:

Cynthetiq · 04-07-2009, 03:31 PM

my contribution.....

somewhere in NYC, Queens I think near the railyards circa 2000

roachboy · 04-07-2009, 03:35 PM

manic skafe: i wasn't making an argument against anything you said. just so you know.

Cynthetiq · 04-10-2009, 07:54 AM

soho graffiti

ngdawg · 04-10-2009, 08:17 PM

Nimoy as Monroe, interesting....
The scribbles on the old building is what I don't like about graffiti

Cynthetiq · 04-10-2009, 08:39 PM

yes, normally i'd agree, but in this case.... i take exception...

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mixedmedia · 04-11-2009, 03:49 AM

I like it.

paddyjoe · 04-11-2009, 05:49 AM

I found this on a wall in Santa Fe........

roachboy · 04-16-2009, 10:06 AM

i stumbled across this remarkably stupid column in the guardian just now and it reminded me of this thread (the association did not work as that sentence made it sound..bear with me)...

Should Banksy be nominated for the Turner prize? | Art and design | guardian.co.uk

the central paragraph that caught my attention is:

Quote:

Anyway, I believe in education. The reason I don't like street art is that it's not aesthetic, it's social. To celebrate it is to celebrate ignorance, aggression, all the things our society excels at. For middle class people to find artistic excitement in something that scares old people on estates is a bit sick.

now first off, while i like the guardian as a news source, when it comes to art commentary there's a whole lot of stupid in it. sometimes it comes from people who like new music that sounds like old music because that way they don't have to work too hard and apparently asking something of an audience is elitist...
now this.

so the article is obviously about banksy, whose work i quite like, even as his way of playing (while "manipulating" and so "not playing") the gallery system game is irritating because it's so obviously what it is. and it's because he has been one of the latest and highest profile street artists to make this shift into that system, he's attracted stuff like this.

the opening line of the paragraph above: how is that not a non-sequitor?
the distinction between the aesthetic and the social: what the hell that mean?
the assumption that street art has an appeal only because it scares old people--where does that come from?

i'm wondering if this represents more than the musings of some tool and tracks something of a boundary between "high" and "street" art that makes of the musings of this tool something maybe interesting sociologically. what do you think?

ring · 04-16-2009, 01:32 PM

1988 - train stop - Colorado

mixedmedia · 04-16-2009, 01:41 PM

Somehow he has conflated graffiti with the growing preponderance of stupid out there. I disagree with him strongly. Plus his writing reeks with a brand of insufferable twitism that I really cannot abide.

I'm surprised to hear that about the Guardian...considering.

ngdawg · 04-16-2009, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roachboy

i stumbled across this remarkably stupid column in the guardian just now and it reminded me of this thread (the association did not work as that sentence made it sound..bear with me)...

Should Banksy be nominated for the Turner prize? | Art and design | guardian.co.uk

the central paragraph that caught my attention is:

now first off, while i like the guardian as a news source, when it comes to art commentary there's a whole lot of stupid in it. sometimes it comes from people who like new music that sounds like old music because that way they don't have to work too hard and apparently asking something of an audience is elitist...
now this.

so the article is obviously about banksy, whose work i quite like, even as his way of playing (while "manipulating" and so "not playing") the gallery system game is irritating because it's so obviously what it is. and it's because he has been one of the latest and highest profile street artists to make this shift into that system, he's attracted stuff like this.

the opening line of the paragraph above: how is that not a non-sequitor?
the distinction between the aesthetic and the social: what the hell that mean?
the assumption that street art has an appeal only because it scares old people--where does that come from?

i'm wondering if this represents more than the musings of some tool and tracks something of a boundary between "high" and "street" art that makes of the musings of this tool something maybe interesting sociologically. what do you think?

I think that columnist had a big ball of snobbery building inside his intestinal tract, much like a painful fart, and he couldn't contain it any longer...

Jetée · 11-13-2009, 04:15 PM

unattributed taggarts I just happened to find today.

Jetée · 11-14-2009, 10:15 AM

Does this count? I found it within my faves again.

Jetée · 01-01-2010, 09:25 PM

Vandalog Blog Archive Two 2009 Street Art Lists that Are Sure to Blow You Away

Jetée · 01-02-2010, 01:35 PM

savage eyes: abode of chaos

therealcat · 01-02-2010, 06:51 PM

I say it puts the ugh back in ugly.

Lady Bear Cub · 01-04-2010, 11:26 AM

I usually like graffiti, unless it's gang related. Then it's just lame.

03-28-2009, 04:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
ngdawg peekaboo Location: on the back, bitch	I <3 Graffiti! The artful colorful stuff, not the scribble-and-run kind. The first set is from one wall behind a bowling alley in Linden, NJ, shown first. These were in Trenton: Had a little fun with this one, also found in Trenton: Anyone else find some of this beautiful art? Care to share? __________________ Don't blame me. I didn't vote for either of'em.

03-29-2009, 09:20 AM	#3 (permalink)
Manic_Skafe More Than You Expect Location: Queens	Cool thread ng. I'll take the scribble and run stuff over legal walls any day - it's nice to see things where they aren't allowed to be. Peru Ana Ana Peru: N/A: JAone: __________________ "Porn is a zoo of exotic animals that becomes boring upon ownership." -Nersesian

04-02-2009, 01:52 AM	#4 (permalink)
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04-02-2009, 12:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
dlish Currently sour but formerly Dlishs Super Moderator Location: Australia/UAE	i knew you were going to say that manic. and i agree. illegal graffiti and the risks involved in terms of not only getting caught, but risk to life and limb make it what it is. i say illegal graffiti of legal walls too. on legal walls, it becomes a piece of art. on illegal walls its a statement, irrespective of how it looks __________________ An injustice anywhere, is an injustice everywhere I always sign my facebook comments with ()()===========(}. Does that make me gay? - Filthy

04-02-2009, 03:37 PM	#6 (permalink)
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03-28-2009, 04:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
blahblah454 Let's put a smile on that face Location: On the road...	I have to agree fully with you ng, graffiti of this sort is really amazing. I used to know of lots of places where pieces such as these were done in Calgary. Unfortunately I no longer live there.

04-03-2009, 01:56 AM	#9 (permalink)
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04-03-2009, 02:26 AM	#10 (permalink)
mixedmedia has all her shots. Location: Florida	I don't have any pictures of graffiti, but now I am inspired to take some. Love how that works. __________________ Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. - Diane Arbus PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile. - Ambrose Bierce

04-03-2009, 03:43 AM	#11 (permalink)
paddyjoe through charlatans phone Location: Northcoast	shot in an old, abandoned subway bed:

04-03-2009, 05:35 AM	#12 (permalink)
ngdawg peekaboo Location: on the back, bitch	That is cool, PJ. When you stop and think that things like this are done with spray cans, it really is a remarkable talent. I took some photos of graffiti done on a railroad overpass and will post them shortly. __________________ Don't blame me. I didn't vote for either of'em.

04-03-2009, 09:13 PM	#13 (permalink)
ngdawg peekaboo Location: on the back, bitch	These were taken Thursday not far from my house. Never knew they were there until last week: This is the other half of the wall where the first two images are: __________________ Don't blame me. I didn't vote for either of'em. Last edited by ngdawg; 04-04-2009 at 01:37 PM..

04-03-2009, 10:06 PM	#14 (permalink)
Xerxys Junkie Location: My head.	These are fantastic, I've always been jealous of people who can draw. EDIT: and spell.

04-04-2009, 04:58 AM	#15 (permalink)
paddyjoe through charlatans phone Location: Northcoast	someone was thinking political graffiti while enjoying a day at the beach.......

04-04-2009, 08:42 AM	#16 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	very nice. this adds yet another pressure to the already mounting pressure i feel to get a camera. i like tagging/graffiti/murals/whatever...i prefer the tags that pop to the paint signatures, but mostly i like that it is a consistent violation of bourgeois notions that the private and public are separate-------the idea that the private extends to surfaces that are up against a street, or passages or the outside of subway cars is, if you think about it, kinda fucked up. i also like that it's a popular form that requires alot of skill to pull off. it's good that folk pay attention to process. it's good that folk make things rather than just buying them. so yeah. obviously, the idea that this street art is strictly outside the gallery system or outside the more uptight world of "legit" art is naive at this point. there's a fluidity of boundaries and it's pretty clear that at least some of what you see amounts to public auditions, stuff for portfolios that are sent around with proper artist statements and such. it's been like this for years. so i don't see in street art a necessarily anarchist politics or a rejection of the Man---but i do like it. even the relatively crappy stuff that's around tiny town. makes me miss chicago tho. that place has fantastic streets. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

04-04-2009, 05:18 PM	#17 (permalink)
ngdawg peekaboo Location: on the back, bitch	I had posted these in a photography forum as well and only got one negative to the concept of graffiti as art. Many urban areas here in NJ, in Philly and other cities, this artform is becoming a legitimate way to enhance otherwise dreary areas. While there will always be some idjit with a black spraycan that just scribbles a name or profanity, I see more and more acceptance of graffiti as "art". After all, even the cave drawings found in France are graffiti, even if they have historical significance. Every time I see a big black or ugly beige square painted on a wall, I wonder what kind of artwork is that ugly thing covering. __________________ Don't blame me. I didn't vote for either of'em.

04-07-2009, 03:31 PM	#24 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	my contribution..... somewhere in NYC, Queens I think near the railyards circa 2000 __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

04-10-2009, 07:54 AM	#26 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	soho graffiti __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

04-06-2009, 05:51 PM	#19 (permalink)
ngdawg peekaboo Location: on the back, bitch	More "mecro" in my town: __________________ Don't blame me. I didn't vote for either of'em.

04-06-2009, 08:00 PM	#20 (permalink)
ring ░ Location: ❤	Bernal Heights...then down the hill towards the 'mission'...1998, San Franciso ---------- Post added at 08:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:57 PM ---------- sanctioned or not, the message is, the medium. Last edited by ring; 04-06-2009 at 08:14 PM..

04-06-2009, 08:07 PM	#21 (permalink)
spindles Mine is an evil laugh Location: Sydney, Australia	btw, there is a word for legal graffiti - murals! Well done graffiti can be quite good, but a lot of it ends up just being scribbles - I'm not so keen on that type. __________________ who hid my keyboard's PANIC button?

04-07-2009, 02:20 PM	#23 (permalink)
Jehu Upright Location: Reno	American Flats in Virginia City... Graffiti capitol of Nevada:

04-07-2009, 03:35 PM	#25 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	manic skafe: i wasn't making an argument against anything you said. just so you know. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

04-10-2009, 08:17 PM	#27 (permalink)
ngdawg peekaboo Location: on the back, bitch	Nimoy as Monroe, interesting.... The scribbles on the old building is what I don't like about graffiti __________________ Don't blame me. I didn't vote for either of'em.

04-10-2009, 08:39 PM	#28 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	yes, normally i'd agree, but in this case.... i take exception... Is 190 Bowery the Greatest Real-Estate Coup of All Time? -- New York Magazine Welcome to 190thebowery.com __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

04-11-2009, 03:49 AM	#29 (permalink)
mixedmedia has all her shots. Location: Florida	I like it. __________________ Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. - Diane Arbus PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile. - Ambrose Bierce

04-11-2009, 05:49 AM	#30 (permalink)
paddyjoe through charlatans phone Location: Northcoast	I found this on a wall in Santa Fe........

04-16-2009, 01:32 PM	#32 (permalink)
ring ░ Location: ❤	1988 - train stop - Colorado

04-16-2009, 01:41 PM	#33 (permalink)
mixedmedia has all her shots. Location: Florida	Somehow he has conflated graffiti with the growing preponderance of stupid out there. I disagree with him strongly. Plus his writing reeks with a brand of insufferable twitism that I really cannot abide. I'm surprised to hear that about the Guardian...considering. __________________ Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. - Diane Arbus PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile. - Ambrose Bierce

11-13-2009, 04:15 PM	#35 (permalink)
Jetée The Reforms Location: Rarely, if ever, here or there, but always in transition	unattributed taggarts I just happened to find today. __________________ As human beings, our greatness lies not so much in being able to remake the world (that is the myth of the Atomic Age) as in being able to remake ourselves. —Mohandas K. Gandhi

11-14-2009, 10:15 AM	#36 (permalink)
Jetée The Reforms Location: Rarely, if ever, here or there, but always in transition	Does this count? I found it within my faves again. __________________ As human beings, our greatness lies not so much in being able to remake the world (that is the myth of the Atomic Age) as in being able to remake ourselves. —Mohandas K. Gandhi

01-01-2010, 09:25 PM	#37 (permalink)
Jetée The Reforms Location: Rarely, if ever, here or there, but always in transition	international graffiti / street art "best of"s Vandalog Blog Archive Two 2009 Street Art Lists that Are Sure to Blow You Away __________________ As human beings, our greatness lies not so much in being able to remake the world (that is the myth of the Atomic Age) as in being able to remake ourselves. —Mohandas K. Gandhi

01-02-2010, 01:35 PM	#38 (permalink)
Jetée The Reforms Location: Rarely, if ever, here or there, but always in transition	savage eyes: abode of chaos __________________ As human beings, our greatness lies not so much in being able to remake the world (that is the myth of the Atomic Age) as in being able to remake ourselves. —Mohandas K. Gandhi

01-02-2010, 06:51 PM	#39 (permalink)
therealcat Upright	I say it puts the ugh back in ugly.

01-04-2010, 11:26 AM	#40 (permalink)
Lady Bear Cub Crazy Location: north carolina	I usually like graffiti, unless it's gang related. Then it's just lame. __________________ "I give myself very good advice, But I very seldom follow it, Will I ever learn to do the things I should?"