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Mantus · 11-17-2005, 10:12 PM

CliffsNotes:
I somehow managed to eliminate my 3rd person concience/conciousness by merging it with my mind. Imagine seeing everything that goes on in your head as a movie on a theater screen. Your consciousness sits in the theater, detached from the screen. I managed put that viewer into the film.

Has anyone had similar mindscaping experiences, if so please share.

[edit] In retrospect, it was a mistake for me to give this account from a personal perspective. I am afraid that I have given it a "new age" or "spiritual" feel which is far from the truth. This was a very intresting experience for me but I don't see it as something "deep", rather it's a tweek of my mental enviroment that happens all the time, the difference is that this time it was conscious. The visual aspect is rather irelevant because everyones mind is differnt. People's mental screens are all differnt. I bet it's intresting to get into someone's head never the less.[/edit]

Today a wonderful thing happened. It happened because for the past few weeks I have been studying Nuero-linguistic Programming (NLP) and other mind "altering" techniques. I think many of us believe that our mental enviroment is hardwired and set in stone. I have discored to my amazement that so much of what is in my head can be changed and altered. The possibilities have yet to be fully grasped or undestood.

For as long as I could remember my mental enviroment consisted of the Self and the Consciousness. The Self was the mind, voiceless, it processed and gave an output. I gave an image to the Self some years back. My Self as seen by the Consciousness as an orb of liquid light, floating in space, sorounded by mist and clouds (I guess these are my memories, dreams, thoughts). The Consciousness, self aware, was the voice and conscience of my mind, reviewing output of the Self, play-by-play, like a sports announcer. Offering a third person perspective of the Self. It would critisize and judge the Self openly in my own voice with coments such as: "oh boy you've really done it now" or "we better do that again". It participated in the thought process by offering opinions on thoughts. The mind would then processed these opinions and give feedback for further inspection.

Now things are gona get even more complicated as I am trying to explain my experience, so bear with me, it might be intresting.

After being struck by a spell of indecision and lazyness. I got frusturated and desiced to "meditate" on this problem. However I can't actually meditate. All my previous attempts have been terrible failures. This time, I was gona do it my own way - fuck the yogis. I really wanted to get to the heart of my hedonistic, compulsive and self desctructive behaviour. I began by trying to focus my mind. The first problem was organizing my thoughts. So I pictured the Self (ball of light) surounded by a strorm of thoughts. I pictured the Self zapping and pulling in all these thoughts into itself until the the storm was gone and it existed in a peaceful space. This took a few minutes and random thoughts would still pop up now and then to be eliminated. The intresting part is that I WAS still thinking with my Consciousness. Not in the ordinary way of thinking, with dialogue, pictures and feelings - the kind that distracts. This process was more like a force of will.

Then a though struck me. I asked myself: why was my Consciousness disembodied in my mind? Why did it refer to the Self as another person whe it WAS the Self? The Self was looking at itSelf from a third person perspective in the form of the Consciousness thinking that it was two seperate entities. And an idea came to me of pulling the Consciousness into the Self the same way I pulled in those thoughts. So I gave it a try. It wasn't a difficult nor a painful process though it took some time. The sights, sounds and feelings were rather extrodinary. One image, was absolutely amazing though. At the very end, when my Concience was like an etherial mask of my face made of golden light. It's eyes were bright like coals. When it approached the orb of the Self its image was reflected in the orb. It moved towards this reflection in the Self and merged with it, nose first, lips, chin, cheecks, the eyes were last. As the eyes of the Concience touched the eyes of the reflection and began to merge. I looked deep into those eyes and realized that it was the reflection was actually the real thing. Then the eyes merged, the Conciousness was in the Self and I was complete.

It took me a while to consolidate this new form in my head. Yet the change was instant. The notion of "we" was gone. I am the same but it's as if I got rid of a burocrat in my thinking process. It's different yet it seems so natural.

To say the least I am amazed and still a little dazed.

Well I hope that wasn't too difficult a read, I've always been a sloppy writer.

Cheers!

nezmot · 11-18-2005, 05:32 AM

Interesting read - so since this happened, have you gone back to thinking in the 3rd person again? Do you think you might slip back into that mode of thinking, or is this change a keeper?

What is NLP anyway (or rather, what is the science behind it?), and how can someone find out about, practice or just learn about it?

Zyr · 11-19-2005, 04:09 AM

I've recently (very recently, like a couple of days ago) begun to consider the whole idea of self, etc, and being able to change was one aspect. Very interesting read. Any links or books you can recomend about NLP or things like it?

xim · 11-21-2005, 11:33 AM

Milton Erickson is the icon clinical hypnotist of the 20th century. He had an intuitive way of putting people into trances. Two men, Richard Bandler and John Grinder, studied Ericksons hypnosis sessions and created a model to explain of what he was doing to space them out. This model was called NeuroLinguistic Programming or NLP. Usually taught from the perspective of self help. Self hypnosis, or metathinking.

Search Amazon for NLP. Definitly good to help you control a trip.

Mantus · 11-21-2005, 03:26 PM

I didn't wan't to post an until some time passed. So far I've managed to retain the new mental perspective. There were a couple of lapses but they were very obvious and caught right away. So far the experience has had mixed results. Analitical thinking is a bit harder yet my mind feels overall clearer but the change is not in any way extreme.

About NLP. It doesn't have much to do with this experience. I just used the ideas of NLP - being able to work with your mental frame - the result was intresting.

Here is some info on NLP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-l...ic_programming

Cheers.

11-17-2005, 10:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mantus lascivious	Altering Your Mental Reality (mindscaping) CliffsNotes: I somehow managed to eliminate my 3rd person concience/conciousness by merging it with my mind. Imagine seeing everything that goes on in your head as a movie on a theater screen. Your consciousness sits in the theater, detached from the screen. I managed put that viewer into the film. Has anyone had similar mindscaping experiences, if so please share. [edit] In retrospect, it was a mistake for me to give this account from a personal perspective. I am afraid that I have given it a "new age" or "spiritual" feel which is far from the truth. This was a very intresting experience for me but I don't see it as something "deep", rather it's a tweek of my mental enviroment that happens all the time, the difference is that this time it was conscious. The visual aspect is rather irelevant because everyones mind is differnt. People's mental screens are all differnt. I bet it's intresting to get into someone's head never the less.[/edit] Today a wonderful thing happened. It happened because for the past few weeks I have been studying Nuero-linguistic Programming (NLP) and other mind "altering" techniques. I think many of us believe that our mental enviroment is hardwired and set in stone. I have discored to my amazement that so much of what is in my head can be changed and altered. The possibilities have yet to be fully grasped or undestood. For as long as I could remember my mental enviroment consisted of the Self and the Consciousness. The Self was the mind, voiceless, it processed and gave an output. I gave an image to the Self some years back. My Self as seen by the Consciousness as an orb of liquid light, floating in space, sorounded by mist and clouds (I guess these are my memories, dreams, thoughts). The Consciousness, self aware, was the voice and conscience of my mind, reviewing output of the Self, play-by-play, like a sports announcer. Offering a third person perspective of the Self. It would critisize and judge the Self openly in my own voice with coments such as: "oh boy you've really done it now" or "we better do that again". It participated in the thought process by offering opinions on thoughts. The mind would then processed these opinions and give feedback for further inspection. Now things are gona get even more complicated as I am trying to explain my experience, so bear with me, it might be intresting. After being struck by a spell of indecision and lazyness. I got frusturated and desiced to "meditate" on this problem. However I can't actually meditate. All my previous attempts have been terrible failures. This time, I was gona do it my own way - fuck the yogis. I really wanted to get to the heart of my hedonistic, compulsive and self desctructive behaviour. I began by trying to focus my mind. The first problem was organizing my thoughts. So I pictured the Self (ball of light) surounded by a strorm of thoughts. I pictured the Self zapping and pulling in all these thoughts into itself until the the storm was gone and it existed in a peaceful space. This took a few minutes and random thoughts would still pop up now and then to be eliminated. The intresting part is that I WAS still thinking with my Consciousness. Not in the ordinary way of thinking, with dialogue, pictures and feelings - the kind that distracts. This process was more like a force of will. Then a though struck me. I asked myself: why was my Consciousness disembodied in my mind? Why did it refer to the Self as another person whe it WAS the Self? The Self was looking at itSelf from a third person perspective in the form of the Consciousness thinking that it was two seperate entities. And an idea came to me of pulling the Consciousness into the Self the same way I pulled in those thoughts. So I gave it a try. It wasn't a difficult nor a painful process though it took some time. The sights, sounds and feelings were rather extrodinary. One image, was absolutely amazing though. At the very end, when my Concience was like an etherial mask of my face made of golden light. It's eyes were bright like coals. When it approached the orb of the Self its image was reflected in the orb. It moved towards this reflection in the Self and merged with it, nose first, lips, chin, cheecks, the eyes were last. As the eyes of the Concience touched the eyes of the reflection and began to merge. I looked deep into those eyes and realized that it was the reflection was actually the real thing. Then the eyes merged, the Conciousness was in the Self and I was complete. It took me a while to consolidate this new form in my head. Yet the change was instant. The notion of "we" was gone. I am the same but it's as if I got rid of a burocrat in my thinking process. It's different yet it seems so natural. To say the least I am amazed and still a little dazed. Well I hope that wasn't too difficult a read, I've always been a sloppy writer. Cheers! Last edited by Mantus; 11-18-2005 at 10:50 AM..

11-19-2005, 04:09 AM	#3 (permalink)
Zyr Crazy Location: Hamilton, NZ	I've recently (very recently, like a couple of days ago) begun to consider the whole idea of self, etc, and being able to change was one aspect. Very interesting read. Any links or books you can recomend about NLP or things like it? __________________ "Oh, irony! Oh, no, no, we don't get that here. See, uh, people ski topless here while smoking dope, so irony's not really a high priority. We haven't had any irony here since about, uh, '83 when I was the only practitioner of it, and I stopped because I was tired of being stared at." Omnia mutantu, nos et mutamur in illis. All things change, and we change with them. - Neil Gaiman, Marvel 1602

11-21-2005, 11:33 AM	#4 (permalink)
xim Insane Location: One with the Universe	Milton Erickson is the icon clinical hypnotist of the 20th century. He had an intuitive way of putting people into trances. Two men, Richard Bandler and John Grinder, studied Ericksons hypnosis sessions and created a model to explain of what he was doing to space them out. This model was called NeuroLinguistic Programming or NLP. Usually taught from the perspective of self help. Self hypnosis, or metathinking. Search Amazon for NLP. Definitly good to help you control a trip. __________________ If I could be anyone in the world I would be Britney Spears. Shes in so many commercials about pepsi... www.ximcity.com

11-18-2005, 05:32 AM	#2 (permalink)
nezmot Registered User	Interesting read - so since this happened, have you gone back to thinking in the 3rd person again? Do you think you might slip back into that mode of thinking, or is this change a keeper? What is NLP anyway (or rather, what is the science behind it?), and how can someone find out about, practice or just learn about it?

11-21-2005, 03:26 PM	#5 (permalink)
Mantus lascivious	I didn't wan't to post an until some time passed. So far I've managed to retain the new mental perspective. There were a couple of lapses but they were very obvious and caught right away. So far the experience has had mixed results. Analitical thinking is a bit harder yet my mind feels overall clearer but the change is not in any way extreme. About NLP. It doesn't have much to do with this experience. I just used the ideas of NLP - being able to work with your mental frame - the result was intresting. Here is some info on NLP. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-l...ic_programming Cheers.