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Unright · 10-02-2005, 08:42 AM

God is an atheist.

Faith is "belief in things that aren't based in fact" and since God knows everything, he can't have faith.

And, because he already the highest power, he doesn't believe in a high power.

And so, God is an atheist.

" But would I be a good Messiah with my low self-esteem?
If I don't believe in myself would that be blasphemy?" - Bloodhound Gang "Hell Yeah"

politicophile · 10-02-2005, 10:01 AM

Doesn't work. I agree that God can't have faith that he exists. However, the reason that he can't have faith is that he already knows factually of his existence.

Secondly, it does not follow from the fact that God is the highest power that he doesn't believe in the highest power. To the contrary, he believes in himself (through facts, remember?) and thus believes in God...

Still funny, but it doesn't work out in the end...

Question for you: Can God create a rock so big that he can't lift it?

Robaggio · 10-02-2005, 12:15 PM

God has 10 little rules- if you break them he'll send you to this horrible burning place full of torture, death, pain, and destruction. You'll be there screaming, crying, and burning until the end of time.

But... he loves you.

It's a paraphrase of a standup routine I saw George Carlain do on TV last night.

asaris · 10-02-2005, 03:21 PM

There is no God, but the universe exists.

10-02-2005, 03:41 PM

Intelligent Design.

Robaggio · 10-02-2005, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zen_tom

Intelligent Design.

You are my new favorite person zen_tom. That just made my day.

xepherys · 10-05-2005, 01:16 PM

human intelligence?

I'm starting to wonder... :-/

rsl12 · 10-06-2005, 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unright

God is an atheist.

Faith is "belief in things that aren't based in fact" and since God knows everything, he can't have faith.

And, because he already the highest power, he doesn't believe in a high power.

And so, God is an atheist.

Thanks for sharing. I like interesting contradictions; sadly, I don't find this one to be particularly so. Your argument depends on the following definition:

Athiests don't have faith in a power higher than themselves.

The argument falls apart if you use a more common-sense, less awkward definition:

Athiests don't believe in God.

rsl12 · 10-06-2005, 04:43 AM

Here's one of my favorites: Curry's paradox.

Abelard: "If I'm not mistaken, then Santa Claus exists."
Eloise: "I agree: if you are not mistaken then Santa Claus exists."
Abelard: "You agree: what I said was correct."
Eloise: "Yes."
Abelard: "Then I am not mistaken."
Eloise: "True."
Abelard: "If I am not mistaken, then Santa Claus exists. I am not mistaken. Therefore, Santa Claus exists."

xepherys · 10-06-2005, 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unright

God is an atheist.

Faith is "belief in things that aren't based in fact" and since God knows everything, he can't have faith.

And, because he already the highest power, he doesn't believe in a high power.

And so, God is an atheist.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merriam Webster Dictionary

Main Entry: athe·ist
Pronunciation: 'A-thE-ist
Function: noun
: one who believes that there is no deity

So, faith has nothing to do with atheism. God would, in fact, understand his place as deity, and possibly believe in deity greater than himself (if such a thing does indeed exist). Therefore, a god or goddess cannot be an atheist by definition.

sol1301982 · 10-06-2005, 09:53 AM

As children most of us are told Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and God exist.

As adults we are told Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy don't exist, but God still does.

RedbeardUH · 10-11-2005, 03:25 PM

What about this "paradox" of sorts...

Are God's commands morally right because he said them

OR

Are things morally right and therefore God said them.

Also: God is the supreme being of all "Good" qualities. He possesses a maximum of each quality. This would include Mercy, Justice, Loyalty and Trust etc etc

If God has infinite Mercy, how can he act with infinite justice towards the enemies of the people to whom he is loyal without breaking their trust?

Or basically, too many people give God the "max" in qualities that are mutually exclusive.

RedbeardUH · 10-11-2005, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rsl12

Here's one of my favorites: Curry's paradox.

Abelard: "If I'm not mistaken, then Santa Claus exists."
Eloise: "I agree: if you are not mistaken then Santa Claus exists."
Abelard: "You agree: what I said was correct."
Eloise: "Yes."
Abelard: "Then I am not mistaken."
Eloise: "True."
Abelard: "If I am not mistaken, then Santa Claus exists. I am not mistaken. Therefore, Santa Claus exists."

There is no paradox here. Just an illusion of bad grammar.

The original "If I'm not mistaken [about the existence of Santa Clause], then SC exists"

The second "Then I am not mistaken [about my logical inferrences.]

filtherton · 10-11-2005, 03:44 PM

Does the set of all sets that don't contain themselves contain itself? If it does than it can't and if it doesn't than it has to.

asaris · 10-11-2005, 06:28 PM

That's why set theory says that all sets have to have a range

StanT · 10-11-2005, 06:31 PM

military intelligence

feminine logic (ya, just shoot me now)

Unright · 10-13-2005, 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rsl12

Thanks for sharing. I like interesting contradictions; sadly, I don't find this one to be particularly so. Your argument depends on the following definition:

Athiests don't have faith in a power higher than themselves.

The argument falls apart if you use a more common-sense, less awkward definition:

Athiests don't believe in God.

Essentially, you are correct. I found this online not too long ago...

The notion that under a paticular definition of atheism, God could be defined as an atheist just struck me as really funny. So I thought I'd share..

Upon reflection, the Tilted Humor or Tildted Nonsense may be been a better forum, but I regret nothing!

Daoust · 10-13-2005, 04:23 AM

The TFP is anti-hate, anti-intolerant, anti-homophobic, anti-genderist, anti-racist but not anti-Christian.

Unright · 10-13-2005, 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daoust

The TFP is anti-hate, anti-intolerant, anti-homophobic, anti-genderist, anti-racist but not anti-Christian.

Is this directed towards me? Are you suggesting in a roundabout way that I'm anti-Christian? On what grounds? Humour?

I'm sorry if I may be wandering into left field, but I'm baffled as to how to interpret your post.

Jinn · 10-13-2005, 06:49 AM

Basic Quantum Theory is my favorite contradiction (more specifically, the wave-particle duality that it relies on..)

In order to travel through a vacuum, such as space, a particle must have a transmission medium (such as air or water). Since light does indeed travel through the vacuum of space, it must be waveform (creating its own medium).

However, light must be a particle because it is able to pass through the 'double-slit' as only a particle can.

Jinn · 10-13-2005, 06:50 AM

There are tons of "begging the question" contradictions out there, and considering the religious tone this post has taken, the most common is:

If God created everything, who created God?

Leto · 10-13-2005, 07:45 AM

Jinn, maybe you can answer this to me: what is fire? a gas? a solid? is it quanta that behaves like a wave?

i look at a candle flame, and it appears to have substance inthat I can move it with my breath or displace it with my fingers, yet it appears to be only light and heat. is it just energy?

10-13-2005, 08:16 AM

Leto, it's a process.

It's (in the case of say, a candle flame) the complex process of wax (solid CnH2n+2 where n is a number between 22 and 27, but basically a connected bunch of Carbon and Hydrogen atoms) being heated through the liquid phase(molten wax), until it becomes so hot, it vapourises (gas) and is able to chemically react with the oxygen (another gas) in the air, giving off light and heat (energy) to form CO2, some soot (C), maybe a little water and some other trace compounds.

The part you see and feel, the light and the heat, are the energy being given off by an exothermic reaction

mrklixx · 10-14-2005, 07:44 AM

God created everything

therefore

God created evil

And

God doesn't create things by "mistake"

so

It was his will to create evil

therefore

If I do evil, I am doing God's will.

10-02-2005, 08:42 AM	#1 (permalink)
Unright Crazy Location: Florida	Favorite Contradictions God is an atheist. Faith is "belief in things that aren't based in fact" and since God knows everything, he can't have faith. And, because he already the highest power, he doesn't believe in a high power. And so, God is an atheist. " But would I be a good Messiah with my low self-esteem? If I don't believe in myself would that be blasphemy?" - Bloodhound Gang "Hell Yeah"

10-02-2005, 10:01 AM	#2 (permalink)
politicophile Addict	Doesn't work. I agree that God can't have faith that he exists. However, the reason that he can't have faith is that he already knows factually of his existence. Secondly, it does not follow from the fact that God is the highest power that he doesn't believe in the highest power. To the contrary, he believes in himself (through facts, remember?) and thus believes in God... Still funny, but it doesn't work out in the end... Question for you: Can God create a rock so big that he can't lift it? __________________ The peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error. ~John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

10-02-2005, 03:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
asaris Mad Philosopher Location: Washington, DC	There is no God, but the universe exists. __________________ "Die Deutschen meinen, daß die Kraft sich in Härte und Grausamkeit offenbaren müsse, sie unterwerfen sich dann gerne und mit Bewunderung:[...]. Daß es Kraft giebt in der Milde und Stille, das glauben sie nicht leicht." "The Germans believe that power must reveal itself in hardness and cruelty and then submit themselves gladly and with admiration[...]. They do not believe readily that there is power in meekness and calm." -- Friedrich Nietzsche

10-06-2005, 04:43 AM	#9 (permalink)
rsl12 On the lam Location: northern va	Here's one of my favorites: Curry's paradox. Abelard: "If I'm not mistaken, then Santa Claus exists." Eloise: "I agree: if you are not mistaken then Santa Claus exists." Abelard: "You agree: what I said was correct." Eloise: "Yes." Abelard: "Then I am not mistaken." Eloise: "True." Abelard: "If I am not mistaken, then Santa Claus exists. I am not mistaken. Therefore, Santa Claus exists." __________________ oh baby oh baby, i like gravy.

10-11-2005, 03:25 PM	#12 (permalink)
RedbeardUH Upright	What about this "paradox" of sorts... Are God's commands morally right because he said them OR Are things morally right and therefore God said them. Also: God is the supreme being of all "Good" qualities. He possesses a maximum of each quality. This would include Mercy, Justice, Loyalty and Trust etc etc If God has infinite Mercy, how can he act with infinite justice towards the enemies of the people to whom he is loyal without breaking their trust? Or basically, too many people give God the "max" in qualities that are mutually exclusive. __________________ He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you -Friedrich Nietzsche

10-02-2005, 12:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
Robaggio Crazy	God has 10 little rules- if you break them he'll send you to this horrible burning place full of torture, death, pain, and destruction. You'll be there screaming, crying, and burning until the end of time. But... he loves you. It's a paraphrase of a standup routine I saw George Carlain do on TV last night.

10-02-2005, 03:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
zen_tom Guest	Intelligent Design.

10-05-2005, 01:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
xepherys <3 TFP Location: 17TLH2445607250	human intelligence? I'm starting to wonder... :-/

10-06-2005, 09:53 AM	#11 (permalink)
sol1301982 Upright	As children most of us are told Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and God exist. As adults we are told Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy don't exist, but God still does.

10-11-2005, 03:44 PM	#14 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	Does the set of all sets that don't contain themselves contain itself? If it does than it can't and if it doesn't than it has to.

10-11-2005, 06:28 PM	#15 (permalink)
asaris Mad Philosopher Location: Washington, DC	That's why set theory says that all sets have to have a range __________________ "Die Deutschen meinen, daß die Kraft sich in Härte und Grausamkeit offenbaren müsse, sie unterwerfen sich dann gerne und mit Bewunderung:[...]. Daß es Kraft giebt in der Milde und Stille, das glauben sie nicht leicht." "The Germans believe that power must reveal itself in hardness and cruelty and then submit themselves gladly and with admiration[...]. They do not believe readily that there is power in meekness and calm." -- Friedrich Nietzsche

10-11-2005, 06:31 PM	#16 (permalink)
StanT © Location: Colorado	military intelligence feminine logic (ya, just shoot me now)

10-13-2005, 04:23 AM	#18 (permalink)
Daoust "I'm sorry. What was the question?" Location: Paradise Regained	The TFP is anti-hate, anti-intolerant, anti-homophobic, anti-genderist, anti-racist but not anti-Christian. __________________ I have faith in a few things - divinity and grace But even when I'm on my knees I know the devil preys

10-13-2005, 06:49 AM	#20 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	Basic Quantum Theory is my favorite contradiction (more specifically, the wave-particle duality that it relies on..) In order to travel through a vacuum, such as space, a particle must have a transmission medium (such as air or water). Since light does indeed travel through the vacuum of space, it must be waveform (creating its own medium). However, light must be a particle because it is able to pass through the 'double-slit' as only a particle can. __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel

10-13-2005, 06:50 AM	#21 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	There are tons of "begging the question" contradictions out there, and considering the religious tone this post has taken, the most common is: If God created everything, who created God? __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel

10-13-2005, 07:45 AM	#22 (permalink)
Leto Junkie Location: The Danforth	Jinn, maybe you can answer this to me: what is fire? a gas? a solid? is it quanta that behaves like a wave? i look at a candle flame, and it appears to have substance inthat I can move it with my breath or displace it with my fingers, yet it appears to be only light and heat. is it just energy?

10-13-2005, 08:16 AM	#23 (permalink)
zen_tom Guest	Leto, it's a process. It's (in the case of say, a candle flame) the complex process of wax (solid CnH2n+2 where n is a number between 22 and 27, but basically a connected bunch of Carbon and Hydrogen atoms) being heated through the liquid phase(molten wax), until it becomes so hot, it vapourises (gas) and is able to chemically react with the oxygen (another gas) in the air, giving off light and heat (energy) to form CO2, some soot (C), maybe a little water and some other trace compounds. The part you see and feel, the light and the heat, are the energy being given off by an exothermic reaction

10-14-2005, 07:44 AM	#24 (permalink)
mrklixx President Rick Location: location location	God created everything therefore God created evil And God doesn't create things by "mistake" so It was his will to create evil therefore If I do evil, I am doing God's will. __________________ This post is content. If you don't like it then you are not content. Or perhaps just incontinent. This is not a link - Do not click here I hate animated avatars.